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Hi guys! This is a topic for anyone who, like me, finds it ridiculously hard to add crew credits. :smile_cat:

My first objective was to build a list of all the jobs available and, thanks to @Janar, the biggest part of the job is already done. My proposition is that we add any other form these credits may appear as and specification when necessary (e.g. the difference between Music and Original Music Composer), but I am open to suggestions. I really don't want this to be a mod-only project, everyone is welcomed to contribute! If you are entering credits for a film or a TV show and notice the on-screen credit is different from the credit in the database, please come by and let us know. :nerd:

I thought it would also make sense for this topic to double up as an help topic for confusing crew credits.

Please let me know if you spot errors on the list, but please do not request jobs missing from TMDB. The official topic for new crew job requests is here. :clipboard:

Last edit: September 9


ART

  • Art Department Assistant
  • Art Department Coordinator
  • Art Department Manager
  • Art Direction (alt. Art Director)
  • Assistant Art Director
  • Assistant Property Master (alt. Assistant Prop Master, Assistant Props Master, Assistant Propmaster, Assistant Propsmaster)
  • Assistant Set Dresser
  • Background Designer
  • Co-Art Director
  • Conceptual Design
  • Conceptual Illustrator
  • Construction Coordinator
  • Construction Foreman
  • Draughtsman (alt. Draftsman)
  • Greensman
  • Gun Wrangler
  • Interior Designer
  • Lead Painter
  • Lead Set Dresser
  • Leadman
  • Location Scout :point_right: PRODUCTION
  • Other
  • Painter
  • Production Design (alt. Production Designer)
  • Production Illustrator
  • Property Master (alt. Prop Master, Props Master, Propmaster, Propsmaster, Property Mistress, Props Mistress)
  • Prop Designer
  • Sculptor
  • Set Decoration (alt. Set Decorator)
  • Set Decorating Coordinator
  • Set Decoration Buyer
  • Set Designer
  • Set Dresser
  • Settings
  • Sign Painter
  • Standby Painter
  • Storyboard Designer
  • Supervising Art Director
  • Title Designer (alt. Title Design)

CAMERA

  • Additional Camera (alt. Additional Camera Operator)
  • Additional Photography
  • Additional Still Photographer (alt. Additional Stills Photographer)
  • Aerial Camera
  • Aerial Camera Technician
  • Aerial Director of Photography
  • Camera Department Manager
  • Camera Intern
  • Camera Loader: Person in charge of loading the camera's film magazines and operating the clap board. Larger production might have a 2nd assistant cameraperson and a film/digital loader.
  • Camera Operator
  • Camera Supervisor
  • Camera Technician
  • Director of Photography (alt. Cinematographer, Cinematography By)
  • Dolly Grip
  • Epk Camera Operator
  • First Assistant Camera: Person responsible for keeping the picture in sharp focus. (alt. 1st Assistant Camera, First AC, 1st AC, Focus Puller)
  • Grip
  • Helicopter Camera
  • Key Grip
  • Other
  • Russian Arm Operator
  • Second Unit Director of Photography (alt. Second Unit Cinematographer)
  • Steadicam Operator
  • Still Photographer (alt. Stills Photographer, Still Photography)
  • Ultimate Arm Operator
  • Underwater Camera
  • Underwater Director of Photography (alt. Underwater Photography)

COSTUME & MAKE-UP

  • Ager/Dyer
  • Assistant Costume Designer
  • Costume Consultant
  • Costume Coordinator
  • Costume Design (alt. Costume Designer)
  • Costume Illustrator
  • Costume Supervisor
  • Co-Costume Designer
  • Facial Setup Artist
  • Hair Department Head (alt. Hair Head of Department)
  • Hair Designer
  • Hair Setup
  • Hair Supervisor
  • Hairstylist (alt. Hair, Hair Stylist)
  • Key Costumer
  • Key Hair Stylist (alt. Key Hair, Key Hairstylist)
  • Key Makeup Artist (alt. Key Make-up Artist, Key Makeup, Key Make-Up)
  • Key Set Costumer
  • Makeup Artist (alt. Make-up Artist)
  • Makeup Department Head (alt. Make-up Department Head, Make-up Head of Department)
  • Makeup Designer (alt. Make-up Designer)
  • Makeup Effects Designer (alt. Make-up Effects Designer)
  • Makeup Supervisor (alt. Make-up Supervisor)
  • Other
  • Prosthetic Designer (alt. Prosthetics Designer)
  • Prosthetic Makeup Artist (alt. Prosthetic Make-up Artist, Prosthetics Makeup Artist, Prosthetics Make-up Artist)
  • Prosthetic Supervisor (alt. Prosthetics Supervisor)
  • Seamstress
  • Set Costumer
  • Set Dressing Artist :point_right: ART
  • Set Dressing Supervisor :point_right: ART
  • Set Dressing Manager :point_right: ART
  • Set Dressing Production Assistant :point_right: ART
  • Shoe Design (alt. Shoe Designer)
  • Tailor
  • Tattoo Designer (alt. Tattoo Design)
  • Wardrobe Supervisor
  • Wig Designer
  • Wigmaker (alt. Wig Maker)

CREW

  • Actor's Assistant (alt. Assistant to [Actor])
  • Additional Dialogue
  • Additional Music (alt. Additional Music By) :point_right: SOUND
  • Additional Writing
  • Aerial Coordinator
  • Animal Coordinator
  • Animal Wrangler
  • Animatronic and Prosthetic Effects
  • Animatronics Designer
  • Animatronics Supervisor
  • Armorer (alt. Armourer)
  • Armory Coordinator (alt. Armoury Coordinator)
  • Associate Choreographer
  • Cableman
  • Carpenter
  • CG Supervisor
  • CGI Supervisor
  • Chef
  • Choreographer
  • Cinematography :point_right: CAMERA
  • Commissioning Editor
  • Compositors (alt. Compositing) :point_right: VISUAL EFFECTS
  • Craft Service (alt. Craft Services, Craft Person)
  • Creative Consultant
  • Creator :point_right: WRITING
  • Department Administrator
  • Dialect Coach
  • Digital Effects Producer
  • Digital Effects Supervisor
  • Digital Producer
  • Documentation & Support
  • Dramaturgy
  • Driver
  • Drone Operator
  • Editorial Staff
  • Executive in Charge of Finance
  • Executive Music Producer
  • Executive Visual Effects Producer (alt. Executive VFX Producer)
  • Fight Choreographer
  • Graphic Novel Illustrator
  • In Memory Of
  • Information Systems Manager
  • Legal Services (alt. Legals, Legal Affairs)
  • Lighting Camera
  • Loader
  • Machinist
  • Makeup Effects (alt. Make-up Effects, Special Effects Makeup, Special Effects Make-up) :point_right: COSTUME & MAKE-UP
  • Manager of Operations
  • Marine Coordinator
  • Martial Arts Choreographer
  • Mix Technician
  • Mixing Engineer
  • Motion Actor
  • Motion Capture Artist
  • Other
  • Photoscience Manager
  • Picture Car Coordinator (alt. Picture Vehicule Coordinator)
  • Pilot
  • Poem
  • Post-Production Manager (*alt. Post Production Manager *)
  • Post Production Assistant (alt. Post-Production Assistant)
  • Post Production Consulting (alt. Post-Production Consulting)
  • Post Production Supervisor (alt. Post Supervisor, Post-Production Supervisor)
  • Presenter
  • Production Artist
  • Production Controller
  • Production Intern
  • Production Office Assistant (alt. Office PA, Office Production Assistant)
  • Projection
  • Prop Maker (alt. Propmaker)
  • Propmaker :wastebasket:
  • Public Relations
  • Pyrotechnician
  • Quality Control Supervisor
  • Radio Play
  • Scenic Artist (alt. Scenic, Scenic Painter, Scenographer)
  • Schedule Coordinator
  • Score Engineer
  • Script
  • Second Film Editor
  • Second Unit
  • Second Unit Cinematographer
  • Security
  • Sequence Artist
  • Sequence Leads
  • Sequence Supervisor
  • Series Writer
  • Set Medic
  • Set Production Assistant
  • Set Production Intern
  • Sets & Props Artist
  • Sets & Props Supervisor
  • Software Engineer
  • Software Team Lead
  • Sound Design Assistant
  • Special Effects (alt. SFX, SPFX)
  • Special Effects Coordinator (alt. SFX Coordinator, SPFX Coordinator)
  • Special Sound Effects
  • Stand In (alt Stand-in, [character] stand-in)
  • Steadycam
  • Studio Teachers
  • Stunt Coordinator (alt. Stunts Coordinator)
  • Stunts
  • Supervising Animator
  • Supervising Technical Director
  • Supervisor of Production Resources
  • Systems Administrators & Support
  • Tattooist (alt. Tattooer)
  • Technical Supervisor
  • Techno Crane Operator
  • Telecine Colorist
  • Temp Music Editor
  • Temp Sound Editor
  • Thanks (alt. Special Thanks)
  • Title Graphics
  • Translator (alt. Translated by)
  • Transportation Captain (alt. Transport Captain)
  • Transportation Co-Captain (alt. Transport Co-Captain)
  • Transportation Coordinator (alt. Transport Coordinator)
  • Treatment
  • Unit Publicist
  • Utility Stunts
  • Video Assist Operator
  • Video Game :point_right: WRITING
  • Visual Effects Art Director (alt. VFX Art Director) :point_right: VISUAL EFFECTS
  • Visual Effects Design Consultant (alt. VFX Design Consultant) :point_right: VISUAL EFFECTS
  • Visual Effects Editor :wastebasket:

DIRECTING

  • Assistant Director
  • Co-Director
  • Continuity
  • Director (alt. Directed By)
  • First Assistant Director (alt. 1st Assistant Director)
  • Layout
  • Other
  • Script Coordinator: Person in charge of editing and annotating each drafts of the script for the production team. :point_right: CREW
  • Script Supervisor: Oversees the continuity in the script, consistency with the script and continuity within a scene and between scenes. (alt. Continuity Supervisor, Continuity) :point_right: CREW
  • Second Assistant Director (alt. 2nd Assistant Director)
  • Special Guest Director
  • Third Assistant Director (alt. 3rd Assistant Director)

EDITING

  • Additional Editing
  • Additional Editorial Assistant
  • Archival Footage Coordinator
  • Archival Footage Research
  • Assistant Editor
  • Associate Editor
  • Co-Editor
  • Color Timer
  • Digital Intermediate (alt. DI)
  • Editor (alt. Edited by)
  • Editorial Coordinator
  • Editorial Manager
  • Editorial Production Assistant
  • Editorial Services
  • First Assistant Editor (alt. 1st Assistant Editor)
  • Negative Cutter
  • Other
  • Supervising Film Editor

LIGHTING

  • Best Boy Electric
  • Best Boy Electrician
  • Chief Lighting Technician
  • Directing Lighting Artist
  • Electrician
  • Gaffer
  • Lighting Artist
  • Lighting Coordinator
  • Lighting Director
  • Lighting Manager
  • Lighting Production Assistant
  • Lighting Supervisor
  • Lighting Technician
  • Master Lighting Artist
  • Other
  • Rigging Gaffer
  • Rigging Grip
  • Rigging Supervisor
  • Underwater Gaffer

PRODUCTION

  • Administration
  • ADR Voice Casting
  • Assistant Production Coordinator
  • Assistant Production Manager
  • Associate Producer
  • Casting (alt. [City/Country] Casting by XXX)
  • Casting Consultant
  • Casting Assistant
  • Casting Associate
  • Character Technical Supervisor
  • Co-Executive Producer
  • Co-Producer
  • Consulting Producer
  • Coordinating Producer
  • Development Manager
  • Executive Consultant
  • Executive In Charge Of Post Production
  • Executive In Charge Of Production
  • Executive Producer
  • Finance
  • Line Producer
  • Local Casting: Local casting is not for "[City/Country] Casting by XXX" credits that part of the main casting. It should only be used for city/country casting mentioned further near the end of the credits.
  • Location Manager
  • Other
  • Producer (*alt. Produced by *)
  • Production Accountant
  • Production Coordinator (*alt. Production Co-Ordinator *)
  • Production Director
  • Production Manager
  • Production Office Coordinator (alt. POC)
  • Production Supervisor
  • Publicist
  • Researcher
  • Script Researcher
  • Senior Executive Consultant
  • Supervising Producer
  • Unit Manager
  • Unit Production Manager

SOUND

  • Additional Music Supervisor
  • Additional Sound Re-Recording Mixer (alt. Additional Re-Recording Mixer)
  • Additional Sound Re-Recordist
  • Additional Soundtrack
  • ADR & Dubbing
  • ADR Editor (alt. Automated Dialogue Replacement Editor)
  • ADR Supervisor (alt. Automated Dialogue Replacement Supervisor)
  • Apprentice Sound Editor
  • Assistant Music Supervisor
  • Assistant Sound Editor (alt. Sound Editor Assisted by)
  • Boom Operator
  • Conductor (alt. Conducting)
  • Dialogue Editor
  • Dolby Consultant
  • First Assistant Sound Editor
  • Foley
  • Foley Editor (alt. Foley Editing)
  • Music: music not composed specifically for a film or a series e.g. Mozart
  • Music Director
  • Music Editor
  • Music Programmer (alt. Programming)
  • Music Score Producer
  • Music Supervisor
  • Musician: should be used for any instrument e.g. Cello, Violin, Keyboards, Drums, Bass, Guitar, etc.
  • Orchestrator (alt. Orchestration)
  • Original Music Composer : music composed specifically for a film or a series (alt. Composer, Music, Music by, Music Composed by, Music Score, Original Score Composed by, Original Score Music, Original Score, Original Music)
  • Other
  • Playback Singer
  • Production Sound Mixer
  • Recording Supervision
  • Scoring Mixer
  • Songs
  • Sound
  • Sound Designer (alt. Sound Design)
  • Sound Director
  • Sound Editor
  • Sound Effects
  • Sound Effects Designer
  • Sound Effects Editor
  • Sound Engineer (alt. Engineer)
  • Sound Mixer
  • Sound Montage Associate
  • Sound Re-Recording Mixer (alt. Re-Recording Mixer, Re-Recording Engineer)
  • Sound Recordist
  • Supervising ADR Editor (alt. Supervising Automated Dialogue Replacement Editor)
  • Supervising Dialogue Editor
  • Supervising Music Editor
  • Supervising Sound Editor
  • Supervising Sound Effects Editor
  • Theme Song Performance
  • Utility Sound
  • Vocal Coach

VISUAL EFFECTS

  • 2D Artist
  • 2D Supervisor
  • 24 Frame Playback
  • 3D Animator
  • 3D Artist
  • 3D Coordinator
  • 3D Director
  • 3D Generalist
  • 3D Modeller
  • 3D Sequence Supervisor
  • 3D Supervisor
  • 3D Tracking Layout
  • Additional Effects Development
  • Animation
  • Animation Department Coordinator
  • Animation Director
  • Animation Fix Coordinator
  • Animation Manager
  • Animation Production Assistant
  • Animation Supervisor
  • Battle Motion Coordinator
  • CG Animator
  • CG Engineer
  • CG Painter
  • CGI Director
  • Character Designer
  • Character Modelling Supervisor
  • Chief Technician / Stop-Motion Expert
  • Cloth Setup
  • Color Designer
  • Creature Design
  • Creature Technical Director
  • Digital Compositors
  • Digital Effects Producer
  • Fix Animator
  • I/O Manager (alt. Input/Output Manager)
  • I/O Supervisor (alt. Input/Output Supervisor)
  • Imaging Science
  • Key Animation
  • Lead Animator
  • Lead Character Designer
  • Matchmove Supervisor
  • Mechanical & Creature Designer
  • Mechanical Designer
  • Modeling
  • Opening/Ending Animation
  • Pre-Visualization Supervisor
  • Pyrotechnic Supervisor
  • Roto Supervisor
  • Shading
  • Simulation & Effects Artist
  • Simulation & Effects Production Assistant
  • Special Effects Supervisor (alt. SFX Supervisor, SPFX Supervisor)
  • Stereoscopic Coordinator
  • VFX Artist (alt. Visual Effects Artist)
  • VFX Director of Photography (alt. Visual Effects Director of Photography)
  • VFX Editor (alt. Visual Effects Editor)
  • VFX Lighting Artist (alt. Visual Effects Lighting Artist)
  • VFX Production Coordinator (alt. Visual Effects Production Coordinator)
  • VFX Supervisor (alt. Visual Effects Supervisor)
  • Visual Development
  • Visual Effects (alt. VFX)
  • Visual Effects Coordinator (alt. VFX Coordinator)
  • Visual Effects Designer (alt. VFX Designer)
  • Visual Effects Producer (alt. VFX Producer)
  • Visual Effects Supervisor :wastebasket:
  • Visual Effects Technical Director (alt. VFX Technical Director)

WRITING

  • Adaptation
  • Author
  • Book
  • Characters
  • Co-Writer
  • Comic Book
  • Creative Producer
  • Dialogue
  • Idea
  • Musical
  • Novel
  • Opera
  • Original Story
  • Other
  • Scenario Writer
  • Screenplay (alt. Screenplay by)
  • Screenstory
  • Script Consultant
  • Script Editor
  • Series Composition
  • Short Story
  • Story (alt. Story by)
  • Story Editor
  • Storyboard
  • Teleplay (alt. Teleplay by)
  • Theatre Play
  • Writer (alt. Written by)

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Hey @banana_girl, awesome!

Something I can do to the jobs list is add alternative names. And at this point I can probably even add a little tool for mods to add them. No one really talked about this being a problem until only very recently :wink: So, if that helps when you are talking about jobs in the sense of the ones that can go by multiple names, choose a primary name and feel free to keep track of alts too. We can use those.

Great idea Banana!

Something I can do to the jobs list is add alternative names.

That would be very nice! :smiley_cat: One obvious example would be to add Re-Recording Mixer as an alternative to Sound Re-Recording Mixer.

@banana_girl said:

Hi guys! This is a topic for anyone who, like me, finds it ridiculously hard to add crew credits. :smile_cat:

:smile_cat:

My proposition is that we add any other form these credits may appear as and specification when necessary (e.g. the difference between Music and Original Music Composer), but I am open to suggestions.

Maybe it's better to wait until Travis adds the new crew jobs first?!? Otherwise you'll have to change the whole list at a later point a lot ... :dromedary_camel: Just for example: I would love for Travis to add the label "Production Designer" next to the existing "Production Design". I think as a job title it fits much better, so it wouldn't be an alternative anymore. But that's not decided, yet - so maybe we just wait a little bit longer and look which new jobs are being added after all?

On the other hand, we could use this new thread at the beginning to point out and discuss credits that are in the wrong section at the moment? For example: "Location Scout" in ART should be moved to PRODUCTION, in which all the other location labels are. There are so many more - I just don't have time until next week to look through them.

Also, a suggestion: I'm not sure about it, but maybe it would be helpful to add the alternatives also as bullet points, too - maybe in italic? What I mean is this: You see a movie, you see the credit "Re-Recording Mixer", you look for it, but you can't find it under the letter "R" anywhere in this list. Would it be helpful to add a line like:

Re-Recording Mixer: confer to Sound-Re-Recording Mixer

I'm not sure this is helpful at all, and the list might become very confusing one day? Just an idea ...


And just for info, there's 1 line effed-up in the section EDITING with two different jobs (my fault):

  • Associate Editor Co-Editor

Also, a few other alternatives that quickly come to my mind:

  • Art Direction [ART] -> Art Director (I suggested the alternative)
  • (Assistant) Prop Master [ART] -> (Assistant) Property Master, (Assistant) Props Master, (Assistant) Propmaster, (Assistant) Propsmaster
  • Draughtsman [ART] -> Draftsman (I suggested the alternative)
  • Title Designer [ART] -> Title Design

  • Still Photographer [CAMERA] -> Stills Photographer

  • Costume Design [COSTUME & MAKE-UP] -> Costume Designer (I suggested the alternative)

  • Hairstylist [COSTUME & MAKE-UP] -> Hair, Hair Stylist

  • Key Hair Stylist [COSTUME & MAKE-UP] -> Key Hair, Key Hairstylist

  • Makeup ... [COSTUME & MAKE-UP] -> Make-Up ...

  • Prosthetic ... [COSTUME & MAKE-UP] -> Prosthetics ...

  • Shoe Design [COSTUME & MAKE-UP] -> Shoe Designer

  • Actor's Assistant [CREW] -> Assistant to [actor/actress]

  • Armorer and Armory Coordinator [CREW] -> Armourer / Armoury Coordinator [by the way, they could also be moved to the section ART, I think]

  • Craft Service [CREW] -> Craft Services

  • Production Office Assistant [CREW] -> Office PA, Office Production Assistant

  • Scenic Artist [CREW] -> Scenic (I'm not sure about this one, to be honest)

  • Digital Intermediate ... [EDITING] -> DI ...

  • Local Casting [PRODUCTION] -> [any city/region/country] Casting, for example "Melbourne Casting"

  • Musician [SOUND] -> [any oboist, guitar player, cellist etc. that plays an intrument]

Other things:

  • Camera Loader [CAMERA] = Loader [CREW] = Clapper Loader [I suggested this] -> I think that's all basically the same job.
  • Second Unit Director of Photography [CAMERA] -> Second Unit Cinematographer [CREW] -> maybe also remove the second one, the same way as "Cinematography"?
  • Prop Maker [CREW] = Propmaker [CREW] -> that's the same, but they're both available right now.
  • Tattooist [CREW] and Tattoo Designer [COSTUME & MAKE-UP] -> isn't that the same or is there a difference? Whatever, the first one should be moved to COSTUME & MAKE-UP.

I'm out of time ...

Best wishes,

janar

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Local Casting [PRODUCTION] -> [any city/region/country] Casting, for example "Melbourne Casting"

I want to add to this:

  • If there is a TV show or movie, with Casting by XXX and YYY, and in the next or same screen (or line, in case of movie credits) you see [city or country name] casting by AAA and BBB.... AAA and BBB will also get the "Casting" crew job title, not local casting! Local casting is only for city/country casting mentioned further near the end in the credits, totally not at the same "page" as the main casting credits.

Something I can do to the jobs list is add alternative names. And at this point I can probably even add a little tool for mods to add them.

I was secretly hoping you would say that. And yes, please, let us help! :mouse:

Maybe it's better to wait until Travis adds the new crew jobs first?!? Otherwise you'll have to change the whole list at a later point a lot ...

True, the list will be turned upside down very soon. But don't worry, I'm mentally prepared for that to happen. :muscle:

On the other hand, we could use this new thread at the beginning to point out and discuss credits that are in the wrong section at the moment?

I agree! I think reading the list and playing with it will also help fix misplaced (and duplicate?) credits.

Also, a suggestion: I'm not sure about it, but maybe it would be helpful to add the alternatives also as bullet points, too - maybe in italic?

That's not a bad idea, but I'm a bit afraid it would become too confusing. Maybe I should add a little note inviting people to search the lists using CTRL+F? :thinking:

@janar72 I'll go over your list in a little while.

@travisbell said:

Something I can do to the jobs list is add alternative names. [...] So, if that helps when you are talking about jobs in the sense of the ones that can go by multiple names, choose a primary name and feel free to keep track of alts too. We can use those.

Travis, how will that work exactly? @lineker suggested something like this in the other thread:

Another help would be if the job was recognized even if you didn't start with typing the first word in the job. So if you type "re-reco.." sound re-recording mixer would appear, or if you type composer, original music composer would appear. 🐌 I'm not sure how hard this would be for Travis to implement, but it would be helpful even for experienced users and moderators.

Is that what you mean here? Or do you mean something different?

Is that what you mean here? Or do you mean something different?

No like alternative/translated titles for films, if you search for "de hopeloze heks" (The Worst Witch) several entries will appear, even though it's not the original title.

@banana_girl said:

True, the list will be turned upside down very soon. But don't worry, I'm mentally prepared for that to happen. :muscle:

Okidoki! :smile_cat:

That's not a bad idea, but I'm a bit afraid it would become too confusing. Maybe I should add a little note inviting people to search the lists using CTRL+F? :thinking:

Oh yeah, that would be another way; didn't think of that ...

@janar72 I'll go over your list in a little while.

There's no hurry, really. I'll be occupied with Orphan Black ending for the next days ... :knife:

@alltimemarr said:

Is that what you mean here? Or do you mean something different?

No like alternative/translated titles for films, if you search for "de hopeloze heks" (The Worst Witch) several entries will appear, even though it's not the original title.

I still don't understand it. :sob: Can we use an example?

Let's say I watch a movie and there's the credit "Office PA" -> exactly like this. Let's say we defined as primary name "Production Office Assistant", and we defined alternative names "Office PA" and "Office Production Assistant".

So, my question: What will happen when I go to the jobs list of the movie and I copy/paste "Office PA" into the field? Will all the different alternatives be displayed and I can choose between them? Or only the primary name and the alternatives in parenthesis?

So, my question: What will happen when I go to the jobs list of the movie and I copy/paste "Office PA" into the field? Will all the different alternatives be displayed and I can choose between them? Or only the primary name and the alternatives in parenthesis?

Oh right, those specifics/layout/details will only be known after Travis implements it, but the function is that it will indeed show the main job title, whether you searched for DoP or Director of Photography or Cinematography/er.

And who knows, maybe the alternative job title it matches your search to, That would be handy, as then the user knows it is the right job

I updated the list!

Camera Loader [CAMERA] = Loader [CREW] = Clapper Loader [I suggested this] -> I think that's all basically the same job.

I think you are right. According to wiki (and many other websites), Second Assistant Camera is also the same job. :thinking:

Tattooist [CREW] and Tattoo Designer [COSTUME & MAKE-UP]

Mmmm, I think they probably are two jobs. :duck:

I also added a few obvious alternative names. And I think Post Supervisor = Post Production Supervisor.

@banana_girl said:

I updated the list!

Cool! :icecream:

Camera Loader [CAMERA] = Loader [CREW] = Clapper Loader [I suggested this] -> I think that's all basically the same job.

I think you are right. According to wiki (and many other websites), Second Assistant Camera is also the same job. :thinking:

My question would be which term we want to use as the primary name? I personally like Second Assistant Camera much better and I've seen it the most in credits - but that's just my choice/experience (also, 2nd Assistant Camera, Second AC and 2nd AC are other alternative names).

Also, a First Assistant Camera [CAMERA] is often called "Focus Puller" [currently a new suggestion] - other alternatives are First AC, 1st Assistant Camera, 1st AC. The following webpage says the term "Focus Puller" is the one that was previously used:

http://creativeskillset.org/job_roles/3081_first_assistant_camera

Another aspect: Smaller productions only use a single Assistant Camera (or AC) who does both jobs - that's one of the new suggestions.

Another aspect: Bigger productions use more than 1 camera on set, so they have an Second Assistant "A" Camera, a Second Assistant "B" Camera and so on (similar to "A" Camera Operator vs. "B" Camera Operator as well as First Assistant "A" Camera vs. First Assistant "B" Camera). As of now, you can't make this difference while contributing credits to TMDb - it's all the same. I'm not sure the difference is that important, though - maybe we don't need to make it? On the other hand, I do know that people climb up in their career going from "B" Camera to "A" camera within the same production - something you wouldn't recognize on TMDb without differentiation. It's a tricky decision ...

And another aspect: For re-shoots and/or additional photography, there already exists a name Additional Camera in [CAMERA]. An alternative name for this would be Additional Camera Operator, but we probably also need Additional First Assistant Camera and Additional Second Assistant Camera as new terms (both were suggested by me in the other thread).

Tattooist [CREW] and Tattoo Designer [COSTUME & MAKE-UP]

Mmmm, I think they probably are two jobs. :duck:

You mean the Tattooist is the Tattoo Artist who applies it, and the designer is the one who draws it before it is applied? Yeah, the difference actually makes sense. Wikipedia also mentions Tattooer as another alternative name for Tattooist.

I also added a few obvious alternative names. And I think Post Supervisor = Post Production Supervisor.

I think so, too.

Two other things I want to mention:

1.) A Sound Re-Recording Mixer is also often called Sound Re-Recording Engineer - it's the same.

2.) A Scenic Artist [CREW], also called Scenic Painter, works under the direction of the set designer and scenic charge artist to paint sets, backdrops, and some props for stage productions. The term is often used for theatre sets (other alternatives especially used in theatre are Scenographer or short Scenic), but I've seen it also in tv credits a lot, in different forms. So, let's see what terms we have/need:

  1. Scenic Artist [CREW] = Painter [ART] -> other alternative names: Scenic, Scenic Painter, Scenographer, Set Painter.
  2. Lead Painter [ART] = Key Scenic Artist [new suggestion] = Key Scenic [new suggestion] = Charge Scenic Artist [new suggestion] -> other alternative names: Chargehand Painter, Charge Artist, Head Scenic Artist, Head Scenic Painter, Head Set Painter, Lead Set Painter.
  3. Several specialized painter: Sign Painter [ART], Standby Painter [ART], CG Painter [VISUAL EFFECTS], Prosthetics Painter [new suggestion], Matte Painter [new suggestion].

As for choosing primary names: I like Scenic Artist for job 1 and Charge Scenic Artist for job 2 the best. And the spezialized painter under no. 3 should all be primary names, in my opinion.

That's all for today. :whale:

Best wishes,

janar

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My question would be which term we want to use as the primary name? I personally like Second Assistant Camera much better and I've seen it the most in credits

Me too! I added a temporary definition to Camera Loader, but I'll move it to Second Assistant Camera as long as it's an official job. I think we have to be VERY careful with the crew jobs, though. The 2nd assistant and the loader can be two different persons.

Bigger productions use more than 1 camera on set, so they have an Second Assistant "A" Camera, a Second Assistant "B" Camera and so on (similar to "A" Camera Operator vs. "B" Camera Operator as well as First Assistant "A" Camera vs. First Assistant "B" Camera).

I think it would be better to have A and B cameras. e.g. when someone is credited for both cameras, we can't add double credits! Oh, and I think I saw a "C" camera credit? :thinking:

Scenic Artist [CREW] = Painter [ART] -> other alternative names: Scenic, Scenic Painter, Scenographer, Set Painter.

I researched all of those the other day, but I'm still lost. I think Scenic Artist and Painter are different jobs. I'm also a bit unsure about Set Painter. It's all so confusing. Anyone knows painters? :smile_cat: Also, I think we're missing the "On-Set" ones.

I think it would be better to have A and B cameras. e.g. when someone is credited for both cameras, we can't add double credits! Oh, and I think I saw a "C" camera credit? 🤔

Isn't that the same as not adding personal makeup/hair etc?

(I remember suggesting A/B/C etc previously too though, but just wondering. There could be someone credited as XXX's make up, but also hair stylist general? I don't know if that ever happens, but in theory maybe it could? .. XD

I guess this is a somewhat similar case: a documentary series has a "Documentary Directed by" and a "Action Scenes Directed by" credit for each episode. I'm not really sure what I should do. :thinking: