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This will be the first Marvel film in some years that I will not be seeing OW. I think it's the fact that in every interview the cast talk about "strong black women" and every review talks about how it's "the most culturally important film of all time" and crap like that that I don't care about. Maybe one in ten of the positive reviews actually address aspects of the film that I might care about, like plot, excitement, etc.

Does anyone else feel this way?

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I have no problem with strong women of any colour and will be watching it Sunday.

I tend to be good at letting the movie speak for itself...

I've seen so much controversy and hype about various movies over the years to know that it's usually less about the movie itself and more about other issues in media or politics, or it is part of marketing...

It helps that I rarely watch TV and don't really have social media accounts... So I've been spared a lot of the hype and commentary...

I usualy watch only one comicbook/kids movie a year, as I'm not a fan... Last year it was Star Wars, the year before Batman Vs Superman... I think I might check out Black Panther at some point if my friends want to see it, but probably not on opening weekend as I'm busy anyway... I like the director, he did good work with Creed and the actors are pretty good.

Also, having seen Get Out before it turned into a media circus, I couldn't spunderstand what the fuss was about... It's a good horror-comedy, but not a big political statement, nor was it transgressive... It's absurd how the media (regular and social) really blew it out of proportion...

I'd recommemd to let the movie speak for itself... It could suck like The Last Jedi, or could be fun like Get Out...

@Renovatio :😎👍:I agree with you. Let the movie speak for itself. BTW, how are you? Haven't talked to you for a while!

@PhelpsFan I'm well... Thanks for asking... Hope you are too... I've been active on the boards of movies that I've been watching... Most recently the Shape Of Water and Annihilation...

I did end up watching Black Panther, it was alright. Not particularly controversial, nor is it the masterpeice that the hype machine made it out to be...

There was one scene in a casino that reminded me of the casino scene in Skyfall... I could use a new Bond movie or another spy thriller... I'll check out Red Sparrow when it opens near me..

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This will be the first Marvel film in some years that I will not be seeing OW. I think it's the fact that in every interview the cast talk about "strong black women" and every review talks about how it's "the most culturally important film of all time" and crap like that that I don't care about. Maybe one in ten of the positive reviews actually address aspects of the film that I might care about, like plot, excitement, etc.

Does anyone else feel this way?

I'm also getting tired of the "most culturally important film of all time" BS, but if you've enjoyed the other MCU films you should enjoy this one. Marvel seem to have found a formula that works and they just make a few changes to each movie to give it a different feel. I wouldn't say it's my favourite MCU entry, but it's above average.

Also, having seen Get Out before it turned into a media circus, I couldn't spunderstand what the fuss was about... It's a good horror-comedy, but not a big political statement, nor was it transgressive... It's absurd how the media (regular and social) really blew it out of proportion...

Haven't seen BP and also never heard of GET OUT until a couple of weeks ago when it aired on HBO.

So whatever the fuss was all about (don't have or use social media accounts either) also didn't have an effect on my opinion of it, which was also a HIGHLY FAVORABEL and VERY IMPRESSED one due to the PSYCHOLOGICAL aspect of it.

And that's also why it doesn't really seem to fit into the HORROR/COMEDY genre with it being more of a PSYCHOLOGICAL THRILLER ... like HITCHCOCK's VERTIGO ... due to the way that we explore the effects the loss of his mother had on him at age 6.

That HYPNOSIS scene where he falls backwards into the ABYSS is a MASTERPIECE.

Because that's also pretty much what one fells like when they've lost a parent.

It's definitely a SINKING feeling like as if someone pulls the rug out from under you and you're falling down.

So, imo, that's what the fuss was all about ... the PSYCHOLOGICAL aspect of it which was FIRST RATE ... or about as good as It gets whenever it comes to storytelling.

And that's also why one feels that OSCAR the writer got for BEST ORIGINAL SCREENPLAY was a well deserved one.

Because even if you ignore the rest of the other stuff in the film that's political in nature, you're still also left with a BRILLIANT PSYCHOLOICAL portrait of the character who overcomes the paralysis and hopelessness that he felt at the loss off his mother (which is also demonstrated when he fights back and saves his life).

@Invidia i agree that Get Out was a good movie, but the "fuss" i was talking about was the media circus and online hysteria about it being socially important or controversial...

it's a fun movie, i bought it

@Renovatio said:

@Invidia i agree that Get Out was a good movie, but the "fuss" i was talking about was the media circus and online hysteria about it being socially important or controversial...

it's a fun movie, i bought it

Haven't seen any of the stuff you say you saw, but also agree with what you're saying about how it wasn't important in a social sense, due to the way the MAIN FOCUS is upon the INDIVIDUAL who deals with the LOSS of his MOTHER in the film.

On the way to meet the parents we see him FREEZE when he sees the DEER DIE (which also reminds him of how his mother died in an AUTO ACCIDENT).

And once he's there we see him FROZEN AGAIN in the HYPNOSIS SCENE after his mother is mentioned ... and we see the flashback of him watching the TV SET as a child ... and how the girl's mother also looks like she's also on a small TV screen as he falls backwards into the ABYSS.

Then after he's tied to the chair we see him looking at the SYMBOLIC DEER head ... which once again reminds him of his mother ... (due to the way she also dies in the AUTO ACCIDENT and they hit the deer on the way there to the place of his captivity).

But this time he DOESN'T FREEZE UP and overcomes his captivity, which is also why it's MOSTLY a story that's more ABOUT HIM as an INDIVIDUAL, and isn't really a story about SOCIETY in general.

Because this small group of CULT members also doesn't represent SOCIETY as a whole any more than any other small group of CULT MEMBERS do.

So that's also the reason why one agrees that it isn't a SOCIALLY IMPORTANT film, due to the way that most people in SOCIETY aren't like this other WEIRD group of CULT members that we encounter.

And in order for it to be a CONTROVERSIAL film, it would probably also need to be based upon a FACTUAL situation that's actually taking place in society, and one also doesn't see how that's the case either.

Because one also doesn't see the same kind of a situation happening where people are transferring the brains of other people into their own bodies.

They place the HEARTS, LUNGS, KIDNEYS, etc. of other people into their bodies as a way to try and save or extend their lives, but so far as we know no one seems to have tried placing the BRAIN of someone else into their body.

Probably because it also wouldn't work if they did try do it with the BRAIN also already being DEAD at the time when they'd try to do it???

And with such a procedure being IMPOSSIBLE to do ... (due to the way there'd also be WAY too MANY connections that one would need to make in order for it to work ... and with not enough TIME to do it before the BRAIN would die during the surgical procedure) ... how FACTUAL is what we see happening in the film ???

So when one looks at it from a FACTUAL point of view, the BRAIN TRANSPLANT part of the film would also fit more into the SCI FI category.

And that also makes discussing what happens in the film like discussing what happens in a film like BLADE RUNNER (which also contains a situation where we haven't yet reached the point where we can make REPLICANTS of human beings).

So how SOCIALLY IMPORTANT and CONTROVERSIAL would it be to discuss making REPLICANTS that we don't yet have the ability to make???

Seems kind of SILLY to even try and approach discussing the film from that kind of a perspective, especially when there's this other

OUTSTANDING and BRILLIANT PSYCHOLOGICAL portrayal of the MAIN character who is dealing with the DEATH of his MOTHER.

@Renovatio: 😄: The minute I saw the casino set, I thought of Skyfall too! I kept waiting for the Komodo Dragons too show up!

@PhelpsFan said:

@Renovatio: 😄: The minute I saw the casino set, I thought of Skyfall too! I kept waiting for the Komodo Dragons too show up!

The CGI of the komodo dragons sucked.

@PhelpsFan said:

@Renovatio: 😄: The minute I saw the casino set, I thought of Skyfall too! I kept waiting for the Komodo Dragons too show up!

Do you have autism?

@PhelpsFan said:

@Renovatio: 😄: The minute I saw the casino set, I thought of Skyfall too! I kept waiting for the Komodo Dragons too show up!

Haha... I know, had the same feeling, especially as that where they meet the CIA guy...

I liked the way that sequence was shot, without cuts every few seconds... It was a nice moment, even though I thought it was an average movie...

I wouldn't mind watching Boseman play an american spy in a new thiller/espionage movie... I think he could pull it off... But not as Bond, obviously...

@Renovatio said:

@PhelpsFan said:

@Renovatio: 😄: The minute I saw the casino set, I thought of Skyfall too! I kept waiting for the Komodo Dragons too show up!

Haha... I know, had the same feeling, especially as that where they meet the CIA guy...

I liked the way that sequence was shot, without cuts every few seconds... It was a nice moment, even though I thought it was an average movie...

I wouldn't mind watching Boseman play an american spy in a new thiller/espionage movie... I think he could pull it off... But not as Bond, obviously...

Why obviously? You're a racist.

@Damienracer said:

@Renovatio said:

@PhelpsFan said:

@Renovatio: 😄: The minute I saw the casino set, I thought of Skyfall too! I kept waiting for the Komodo Dragons too show up!

Haha... I know, had the same feeling, especially as that where they meet the CIA guy...

I liked the way that sequence was shot, without cuts every few seconds... It was a nice moment, even though I thought it was an average movie...

I wouldn't mind watching Boseman play an american spy in a new thiller/espionage movie... I think he could pull it off... But not as Bond, obviously...

Why obviously? You're a racist.

No, because he's an American!

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