I wonder, why how the network orders something matters more than how it is broadcasted? Per the bible, "Our main goal is to reproduce the seasons exactly as they first aired on the original network." It doesn't say "exactly as they ordered".

There's no mention of seasons on Netflix's page for the show, only Parts 1-3. In other shows (e.g. https://www.themoviedb.org/tv/96677-lupin/season/1), the "parts" are merged into the same season, so why this one is different?

@shotfirer said:

I wonder, why how the network orders something matters more than how it is broadcasted? Per the bible, "Our main goal is to reproduce the seasons exactly as they first aired on the original network." It doesn't say "exactly as they ordered".

Based on how Chilling Adventures of Sabrina and Money Heist are organized, parts are not necessarily seasons.

There's no mention of seasons on Netflix's page for the show, only Parts 1-3. In other shows (e.g. https://www.themoviedb.org/tv/96677-lupin/season/1), the "parts" are merged into the same season, so why this one is different?

This one is not different. If you read my report carefully enough, you'll notice that it says that Netflix ordered a 16-episode second season, which will be released as Parts 2 and 3. These two parts are merged into the same season. The first season was recategorized as Part 1 when Netflix decided to release the second season as Parts 2 and 3.

@raze464 said: This one is not different. If you read my report carefully enough, you'll notice that it says that Netflix ordered a 16-episode second season, which will be released as Parts 2 and 3. These two parts are merged into the same season. The first season was recategorized as Part 1 when Netflix decided to release the second season as Parts 2 and 3.

I read your report carefully enough to see the contradiction. Netflix might have ordered 16 episodes as a season 2. However, they decided to air them separately. Per your own rules, how episodes air is more important than how they were ordered or produced. All 3 parts are released separately, in the exact same way, and each starts with episode 1. There's only one episode numbered 9 in the show on Netflix. You have two episodes numbered 9. Again, per your own rules, your listings should correspond to the show's website. "We try to mirror how the episodes were first released on the original network's website." So how come that episode 1 become episode 9? How is that mirroring?

Every TV show is "aired" in chunks of episodes. Calling each chunk "part" or "season", or "series" or whatever doesn't change the fact, that if the episode has been aired as Episode 1 it cannot become Episode 9. When the show has a break after episode 8 and returns with episode 9 - you continue the previous season, simply because you can't start the season with episode 9. But if it returns with episode 1 - it is a new one, simply because you can't have episode 1 in the middle of a season. This is, of course, if your goal is to "mirror how the episodes were first released on the original network's website", which means at least using the same episode numbers and the same season/part/series separation. I'm not talking about odd-numbered episodes here, just about the regular stuff.

Since your system does not support using "parts" instead of "seasons" (which is again, just a different term for a chunk of episodes, released within a specified time window), having them as 3 separate seasons, with the names "Part 1", "Part 2" and "Part 3" makes much more sense than arbitrarily merging stuff because of what some hearsay article says. Even if it was an official announcement (which it is not), it would only tell us how they were ordering it, not how they actually airing it.

By the way, even Netflix's system does not fully support "parts". In the metadata, they are still called "seasons", so they actually just have seasons, named "Part x". So doing the same would be part of "mirroring".

@shotfirer said:

@raze464 said: This one is not different. If you read my report carefully enough, you'll notice that it says that Netflix ordered a 16-episode second season, which will be released as Parts 2 and 3. These two parts are merged into the same season. The first season was recategorized as Part 1 when Netflix decided to release the second season as Parts 2 and 3.

I read your report carefully enough to see the contradiction. Netflix might have ordered 16 episodes as a season 2. However, they decided to air them separately. Per your own rules, how episodes air is more important than how they were ordered or produced. All 3 parts are released separately, in the exact same way, and each starts with episode 1. There's only one episode numbered 9 in the show on Netflix. You have two episodes numbered 9. Again, per your own rules, your listings should correspond to the show's website. "We try to mirror how the episodes were first released on the original network's website." So how come that episode 1 become episode 9? How is that mirroring?

Every TV show is "aired" in chunks of episodes. Calling each chunk "part" or "season" or whatever (potayto-potahto) doesn't change the fact, that if the episode has been aired as Episode 1 it cannot become Episode 9. When the show has a break after episode 8 and returns with episode 9 - you continue the previous season, simply because you can't start the season with episode 9. But if it returns with episode 1 - it is a new one, simply because you can't have episode 1 in the middle of a season. This is, of course, if your goal is to "mirror how the episodes were first released on the original network's website", which means using the same episode numbers. I'm not talking about odd-numbered episodes here, just about the regular stuff.

Since your system does not support using "parts" instead of "seasons" (which is again, just a different term for a chunk of episodes, released within a specified time window), having them as 3 separate seasons, with the names "Part 1", "Part 2" and "Part 3" makes much more sense than arbitrarily merging stuff because of what some hearsay article says. Even if it was an official announcement (which it is not), it would only tell us how they were ordering it, not how they actually airing it.

By the way, even Netflix's system does not fully support "parts". In the metadata, they are still called "seasons", so they actually just have seasons, named "Part x". So doing the same would be part of "mirroring".

I agree with you

Netflix shows them as Parts 1-3 but the Show page does say "3 Seasons". So I guess only IMDB has this correct right now.

@happy2play said:

Netflix shows them as Parts 1-3 but the Show page does say "3 Seasons". So I guess only IMDB has this correct right now.

It says "3 parts" when you are subscribed and logged in. But honestly, "season" or "part" is a potayto-potahto situation. Unless the next "part" continues the episode numeration of the previous one, it makes zero sense to merge them. Each of the 3 "parts" on Netflix starts with episode 1, and All Apologies is episode 1, not episode 9.

Can we please separate this into three seasons? I want to be able to use trakt.tv to log that I've watched seasons 2 and 3 instead of it all being considered season 2.

This is separated as 3 seasons on IMDB as well as Rotten Tomatoes.

@jqdunn said:

Can we please separate this into three seasons? I want to be able to use trakt.tv to log that I've watched seasons 2 and 3 instead of it all being considered season 2.

This is separated as 3 seasons on IMDB as well as Rotten Tomatoes.

I would assume you will be dependent of your software that fetches your metadata to be able to use the Parts (digital) order episodes group. As other provider site said the same thing use the other available orders. https://www.themoviedb.org/tv/135959-that-90s-show/episode_group/664035b6a6042c1b15ff1217

@happy2play said:

@jqdunn said:

Can we please separate this into three seasons? I want to be able to use trakt.tv to log that I've watched seasons 2 and 3 instead of it all being considered season 2.

This is separated as 3 seasons on IMDB as well as Rotten Tomatoes.

I would assume you will be dependent of your software that fetches your metadata to be able to use the Parts (digital) order episodes group. As other provider site said the same thing use the other available orders. https://www.themoviedb.org/tv/135959-that-90s-show/episode_group/664035b6a6042c1b15ff1217

This is how it should be offered by default because it exactly reflects how the show was aired. And all that merged nonsense could be organized into an "ordered" episode group just as easily. Dunno why anyone would need it, but why not?

Technically other shows have done the same like The Ranch was it 4 seasons or 8 per Netflix (8 Parts). The conflict of was said season split parts per the actual storyline.

@happy2play said:

@jqdunn said:

Can we please separate this into three seasons? I want to be able to use trakt.tv to log that I've watched seasons 2 and 3 instead of it all being considered season 2.

This is separated as 3 seasons on IMDB as well as Rotten Tomatoes.

I would assume you will be dependent of your software that fetches your metadata to be able to use the Parts (digital) order episodes group. As other provider site said the same thing use the other available orders. https://www.themoviedb.org/tv/135959-that-90s-show/episode_group/664035b6a6042c1b15ff1217

Any idea how to make Trakt read Parts as Seasons? I know it's using TMDB because it says the following on the series page -

"Refresh Data updated Aug 28, 2024 Datasource: tmdb"

https://trakt.tv/shows/that-90s-show#seasons

@jqdunn said:

Any idea how to make Trakt read Parts as Seasons? I know it's using TMDB because it says the following on the series page -

"Refresh Data updated Aug 28, 2024 Datasource: tmdb"

https://trakt.tv/shows/that-90s-show#seasons

https://trakt.tv/shows/that-90s-show/seasons/alternate/6541

But I have no idea if it is accessible via API or in any other way except manual browsing. And episode IDs are still wrong (All Apologies is 2x09, not 3x01 as on Netflix).

@happy2play said:

Technically other shows have done the same like The Ranch was it 4 seasons or 8 per Netflix (8 Parts). The conflict of was said season split parts per the actual storyline.

I'm aware of that. In my opinion, unless it is done like in season 3 of The Witcher (released in 2 parts, 5 episodes in part 1, part 2 starts with episode 6 on Netflix), they all should correspond to Netflix's listing, and each part should be added as a new season to keep the consistent episode numbering. I don't know why someone keeps reinventing the wheel, it's all in the bible. You follow the way episodes air, period. If the next episode continues a sequence of episode numbers - you continue the season. If the next episode is #1 - you create a new season. I don't see how else you could "mirror" the network's listings, as the rules demand. I quote again "Our main goal is to reproduce the seasons exactly as they first aired on the original network." Listing episode 1 under any other number is not "exact".

@shotfirer said:

@jqdunn said:

Any idea how to make Trakt read Parts as Seasons? I know it's using TMDB because it says the following on the series page -

"Refresh Data updated Aug 28, 2024 Datasource: tmdb"

https://trakt.tv/shows/that-90s-show#seasons

https://trakt.tv/shows/that-90s-show/seasons/alternate/6541

But I have no idea if it is accessible via API or in any other way except manual browsing. And episode IDs are still wrong (All Apologies is 2x09, not 3x01 as on Netflix).

Thanks. Unfortunately I can't add parts to my lists, but it's something.