Who's AJ?

Yeah, every time Sonny goes on some rant I'm surprised by his hypocrisy. He had another today with Kiki that had me screaming at the TV.

@LadyJEsq said:

Yeah, every time Sonny goes on some rant I'm surprised by his hypocrisy. He had another today with Kiki that had me screaming at the TV.

Why I don't get is why everyone is just taking Sonny's word as gospel. When exactly did Sonny, who spent months lying about AJ's murder and covering it up, then spent months lying about his nonexistent affair with Nelle and covering it up, become this paragon of truth and honesty?

What was especially ironic was Sonny and Carly complaining about AVA, of all people, not being willing to own up to what she did and blaming others for it. Really Sonny, the master of excuses, accuses one of the few people in this town who is actually willing to take responsibility for what she has done, of blaming others? Do we need to go through the litany of Sonny's long history of blame shifting again? (There are some new examples in this list, by the way)

: Sonny brainwashed and manipulated Jason after he suffered brain damage and turned him into an assassin and blamed the Quartermaines for it

Sonny kidnapped AJ, held him prisoner in a meat packing plant on a meathook for days with no food and nothing to drink except a bottle of vodka, when he knew that AJ is an alcoholic, and then forced him to sign over all custodial rights to Michael, and then later calls AJ 'garbage who doesn't care about his kid' because he waived away his parental rights when pretty much the only other option was death, effectively blaming AJ for getting kidnapped

Sonny planted a car bomb in John Zacchara's car that nearly killed Kristina and when confronted about it, blamed Johnny

Sonny shot Carly in the head while she was giving birth to Morgan and blamed Alkazar for it

Sonny moved out of the way when a bullet was coming for him and the bullet hit Michael in the head and he spent the next year in a coma and he blamed Claudia for it

Sonny shot Dante at point-blank range in the chest and blamed Olivia for it (because Olivia didn't tell him that Dante was son) and eventually, Olivia actually apologized to Sonny and accepted the blame for her role of getting Dante shot, I kid you not!

Sonny shot Robin in her own home and blamed Jax for it

Sonny shot and killed AJ and blamed Ava for it

Sonny slept with Ava on AJ's grave and then blamed Ava for it when confronted about it by Michael

Sonny lied to Carly for months about sleeping with Nelle and then blamed Carly for not immediately forgiving him, he even claimed that Carly owed him an apology for getting angry with him about sleeping with Nelle and lying about it!

A few weeks later, Sonny blamed Jax for his lies about his night with Nelle, saying that it was Jax's fault because he didn't immediately come clean about his role in taking Nelle's kidney

Sonny slept with Martina and actually had the gall to blame Carly for it

Sonny and Carly both basically ignored Morgan's erratic behavior for months and did nothing about it, not even talking to Dr. Maddox, and then blamed Ava for tampering with his pills. Ava had a point, as Morgan's parents, Sonny and Carly should have noticed something was wrong and intervened, they chose NOT TO do so, but somehow it is all Ava's fault

I could go on and on and on

In the meantime, Ava has admitted responsibility for killing Connie and has never blamed anyone else, she has admitted responsibility for shooting Olivia and she has admitted to tampering with Morgan's pills, but somehow Ava is the one who is the master of blaming others?

What color is the sky in Sonny's world?

I couldn't believe Carly said that Ava got away with killing Connie. Ava went to Pentonville for over a month, fell off a bridge, and got cancer. Certainly more than what happened to Sonny after he killed AJ.

@Youcanmakeabettermovie said:

I couldn't believe Carly said that Ava got away with killing Connie. Ava went to Pentonville for over a month, fell off a bridge, and got cancer. Certainly more than happened to Sonny after he killed AJ.

But AJ was the evilest man ever to live in Port Charles (at least until Julian ruled into town) because obviously being an alcoholic who never really hurt anyone but himself with his addiction is a much worse crime than the multiple rapes and murders committed by Sonny, whereas Connie was a paragon of righteousness.

Or she was a paragon of righteousness provided that we forget about all the crimes she committed including

seducing, arguably raping, Johnny by threatening to sic Sonny on him by crying rape if he didn't sleep with her

her abandonment of Trey by leaving him in a dresser drawer right after he was born and then walking away,

nearly killing Dr. Keenan

, stealing Molly's manuscript,

hitting Ellie Trout with her car and then fleeing the scene,

assaulted Starr Manning,

abductingJohnny and placing him in the trunk of her car (the very act that caused the accident that would kill her son)

and several hit and runs, including one time when she hit a police car and ran from the scene,

you see none of that matters because Connie (or Kate Howard, whatever she decided to call herself on a given day) was briefly Sonny's ONE TRUE LOVE (of the month) and that's all that matters

Since Connie indirectly killed her son, I just see it as finishing the job because she left him to die as a baby.

@LadyJEsq said:

Yeah, every time Sonny goes on some rant I'm surprised by his hypocrisy. He had another today with Kiki that had me screaming at the TV.

Bleech. I haven't watched Friday yet and now I don't think I want to. I wish FF was easier on Hulu.

Connie also likely lied about Joe Scully Jr raping her and Sonny has also had the blame totally retconned for his serial rapes of strippers.

@autoexec.batman said:

@Youcanmakeabettermovie said:

I couldn't believe Carly said that Ava got away with killing Connie. Ava went to Pentonville for over a month, fell off a bridge, and got cancer. Certainly more than happened to Sonny after he killed AJ.

But AJ was the evilest man ever to live in Port Charles (at least until Julian ruled into town) because obviously being an alcoholic who never really hurt anyone but himself with his addiction is a much worse crime than the multiple rapes and murders committed by Sonny, whereas Connie was a paragon of righteousness.

Or she was a paragon of righteousness provided that we forget about all the crimes she committed including

seducing, arguably raping, Johnny by threatening to sic Sonny on him by crying rape if he didn't sleep with her

her abandonment of Trey by leaving him in a dresser drawer right after he was born and then walking away,

nearly killing Dr. Keenan

, stealing Molly's manuscript,

hitting Ellie Trout with her car and then fleeing the scene,

assaulted Starr Manning,

abductingJohnny and placing him in the trunk of her car (the very act that caused the accident that would kill her son)

and several hit and runs, including one time when she hit a police car and ran from the scene,

you see none of that matters because Connie (or Kate Howard, whatever she decided to call herself on a given day) was briefly Sonny's ONE TRUE LOVE (of the month) and that's all that matters

I agree that they definitely seemed to be setting it up for the reveal that Joe Jr. didn't rape her, the fact that Joe's story of what happened sounded very much like what we saw happen to Johnny, namely that she approached him, demanded that he sleep with her and when he demurred, threatened to sic Sonny on him, definitely seemed to imply that Kate/Connie was mistaken and that the sex was consensual. I think they were going for the eventual reveal that the encounter was actually the first manifestation of her DID, that one personality seduced Joe Jr, but then she 'woke up' in the other personality and not remembering how she got there, assumed it must have been rape.

But then Steve Burton abruptly quit, which led them to cancel all their plans for Joe Jr, Trey and Connie and they killed off Joe, then Trey and finally Connie before the story they were planning was completed.

However, despite the hints, since they never confirmed that Connie was mistaken in thinking it was rape, it is really just fan speculation.

While I would have loved that story with Connie's rape being a DID manifestation, I cannot begin to imagine the shit storm ABC would have suffered by pressure groups. ABC, and GH specifically, already has enough of a checkered past with rape stories to take on something that controversial and provocative.

@Youcanmakeabettermovie said:

I couldn't believe Carly said that Ava got away with killing Connie. Ava went to Pentonville for over a month, fell off a bridge, and got cancer. Certainly more than what happened to Sonny after he killed AJ.

In real life, Ava would have gone to prison for life or even gotten the death penalty for shooting Connie dead in cold blood. It doesn't matter what kind of person Connie was. The fact is that Ava committed first-degree murder, and she did get off fairly easy. Up until the fire, she had mostly enjoyed her life the past few years. You can't compare that to criminals who face life imprisonment or on death row. Her current situation is entirely her own doing. There are many better ways she could have made her point to Ava and Sonny other than throwing a kerosene lamp and starting a fire. I just don't feel any sympathy for this character at this point and wouldn't miss her if she were written off. That is not to say that I'm not aggravated bye Sonny, just that I don't feel Ava is deserving of any sympathy at this point because Sonny is much worse. I've said several times that I wish Sonny and Ava would just shoot each other to death because I am sick of every single scene they are in together.

@Dedoc1967 said:

While I would have loved that story with Connie's rape being a DID manifestation, I cannot begin to imagine the shit storm ABC would have suffered by pressure groups. ABC, and GH specifically, already has enough of a checkered past with rape stories to take on something that controversial and provocative.

The "Connie rapes Johnny rapes Kate" story was already making viewers upset...

@kathykato said:

@Youcanmakeabettermovie said:

I couldn't believe Carly said that Ava got away with killing Connie. Ava went to Pentonville for over a month, fell off a bridge, and got cancer. Certainly more than what happened to Sonny after he killed AJ.

In real life, Ava would have gone to prison for life or even gotten the death penalty for shooting Connie dead in cold blood.

So would Sonny for shooting Dante, let alone killing AJ. And in real life, if the governor of New York had issued a pardon to a known mob boss who had broken out of prison, he would be impeached and removed from office by the state legislature and investigated by the FBI and probably indicted by the Federal department of Justice and eventually go to prison. So what? No one on soaps ever really pays for their crimes.

By the way, New York does not have a death penalty.

@Dedoc1967 said:

While I would have loved that story with Connie's rape being a DID manifestation, I cannot begin to imagine the shit storm ABC would have suffered by pressure groups. ABC, and GH specifically, already has enough of a checkered past with rape stories to take on something that controversial and provocative.

It might be controversial, but it is something that is well worth the controversy to explore, as there are women who do lie about being raped, a great example would be the Duke Lacrosse team rape case that got Mike Nifong first fired and then indicted.

But I'm not sure that it would be controversial as I have seen several episodes of police procedurals in prime time, such as Law and Order: SUV, Cold Case and NYPD Blue that involved a woman making a false accusation of rape against a man.

The boldest I ever saw was an episode where a woman deliberately targeted a man who was a convicted sex offender, approached him in a public place and seduced him, then after they slept together, she went to the police, had a rape kit done and had him arrested for rape. I forget her motives for doing it, but I remember she was using the guy as a pawn in some other scam she was running. When the police found out what she had done, she wasn't even remorseful, the police asked her what she would have done if the man hadn't taken her up on her offer for sex. She laughed and said there was no chance of that happening. "How do you know that?" they asked, and she answered 'because no man ever declines an offer for free sex from an attractive woman.'

I wish this had been the Nelle story, although it would have made her largely irredeemable -- certainly to the Corinthi. Set up Sonny for a false rape accusation, sweet desserts.

Nevertheless, I do think there is a big difference between an episodic adult-oriented crime drama and a daytime soap that, allegedly, draws a young teen crowd. Also this story would revolve around recurring and supposedly sympathetic characters which make it far more unsettling. Lastly, can you imagine anyone post-Labine handling that subject matter with the slightest iota of intelligence, sophistication, and dignity?