They already announced it was delayed again.So looks like we have to wait almost another year before we get new content .Plus we never said Picard wouldn't get a second season but since CBS is so eager to diminish the legacy of one of the most popular characters in their most important IP I am not going to stop them but they shouldn't be surprised if by that time hardly anybody is watching it and blame it on fans as they usually do.

Still they have not given an explanation how they are going to stream or broadcast all these wonderful new episodes and series outside the US which considering the budgets is vital in making these show profitable because the number of viewers in the US alone aren't cutting it(which is why we get the .transition from CBS All Access into Paramount + which so far is not available outside the US)

You were posting "proof" that Picard was never going to even air (IIRC even after footage had been released). I found a post of yours that gleefully posted a bunch of unverifiable rumours about S2 not happening. So unverifiable that even you weren't sure about them.

@Nexus71 said:

Fresh of the press and these things come from inside sources at CBS so they must be taken with a pinch of salt but if they turn out to be true The Franchise is in a very very bad state..

To summarise:

Discovery ;

-)It Turned out they spend so much money on DISC that they actually had to take financial resources allocated to Picard from that showcwhich suffers because of that DISC became this all consuming out of control juggernaut

-)CBS as of saturday has decided to terminate DISC,season 3 will be the final season.

Picard;

-)Test screenings despite some positive reviews by resourcers have been appalling with a C score for average audience members and a D score for Trek fans when the most shittiest series get an average audience rating of B.

-)Also because of allocated financial sources for DISC the Picard show has suffered using sets and effects from DISC.Also the production is in turmoil because there is no showrunner Kurtzman isn't leading any Trek shows because he is too busy with a Clarice Starling Silence Of The Lambs series so nobody knows what to do with the show.

-)The announced second season is cancelled it was just a smokescreen to draw in viewers and to create a buzz.

-)Jonathan Frakes who had been asked to direct several Picard episodes has apparently left the studio in tears because he could not and would not direct the material given to him because he found them so un Star Trek that he broke down on the set,He vowed never to direct for CBS again.

-)Patrick Stewart also quit the show because he found it impossible to work with Kurtzman.He doesn't care anymore Picard will get killed by the end of the season and the ship is renamed after him.

-)season 1 of Picard and season 3 of DISC will connect.

Still it doesn't take away that Picard season 2 is delayed again and before season 2 of STP or season 4 will air is at the end of this year at best but probably based on passed experience will take more than a year having a year's gap between each show (and in STD season 3 almost 2 years went by) isn't an indication that things arerunning smoothly now is it? And who apart from the US is going to see all these new shows and how still hasn't been answered

When the star of your show is 80, COVID precautions would seem sensible. There are suggestions that filming started this week, but nothing official.

If gaps between seasons are an indicator of lack of audience interest, best steel yourself for the demise of your beloved "The Orville". BTW, if DIS and PIC "copy" from other shows as you are fond of claiming, what does that make TO? It even apes the directorial style of TNG!

DIS is on Netflix in the UK, PIC on Amazon.

STD is on Netflix but Strange New Worlds and Section 31 aren't going to be on neither Netflix or Amazon since both declined to pay for these.And in the past Star Trek managed to churn out 20+ episodes a season with like a 3-4 month break between season now it takes an entire year to film 10 -13 episodes and people will lose interest in a show when the time between season becomes too long due to the fact there is a large number of other shows out there on various streaming services.And for how long STD will be on Netflix is not certain it depends what kinda contract they have but Netflix isn't paying for season 4 so whether that will be on Netflix is a big If.

Both DIS and PIC in-production seasons are being reported as to be airing in their current UK "homes". Not seen anything about the new shows (surprised you're not posting links to their alleged pre-cancellation).

IIRC the UK broadcast of TNG wasn't for 3 years or so after the US airing, so of late we've just been lucky.

@M.LeMarchand said:

When the star of your show is 80, COVID precautions would seem sensible. There are suggestions that filming started this week, but nothing official.

Wrong. Alex Kurtzman himself OFFICIALLY confirmed the filming of STP season 2 was severely delayed compared to STD season 4's filming schedule, which has had minor delays.

@M.LeMarchand ALSO said:

BTW, if DIS and PIC "copy" from other shows as you are fond of claiming, what does that make TO? It even apes the directorial style of TNG!

The examples of theft by STD, STP, Short Treks and Lower Decks are numerous and documented.

Yeah I gave numerous examples by posting various Major Grin videos on another thread where the original material is directly compared with the scenes STD/STP stole from other IP's but you were too busy diverting away attention instead of looking at them it's a direct scene to scene comparison with no commentary and with no manipulations of the material so it's a honest one on one comparison.

https://www.themoviedb.org/tv/67198-star-trek-discovery/discuss/5fb0189fb6cff1003bc2bcdf

And note this only a small grip from the actual number of videos Grin made about the theft.

@VobIdem said:

Wrong. Alex Kurtzman himself OFFICIALLY confirmed the filming of STP season 2 was severely delayed compared to STD season 4's filming schedule, which has had minor delays.

Yes, for the reason I stated.

“Things are just starting to shoot again,” Kurtzman tells SFX. “We would have been in production already on Picard, but we couldn’t be because of Covid.

@VobIdem said:>

The examples of theft by STD, STP, Short Treks and Lower Decks are numerous and documented.

@Nexus71 said:

Yeah I gave numerous examples by posting various Major Grin videos on another thread where the original material is directly compared with the scenes STD/STP stole from other IP's but you were too busy diverting away attention instead of looking at them it's a direct scene to scene comparison with no commentary and with no manipulations of the material so it's a honest one on one comparison.

As I have previously stated, any current show will have similarities to past ones. When I have pointed out some in pre-Kelvin Trek, these got brushed under the carpet or it's claimed that they're not exactly the same so it doesn't count. In the case of TO, the directorial style is even based on that of TNG - but it's OK to like that show.

P.S. I'm betting that another fan-favourite, The Mandalorian, can also be "proved" to have borrowed liberally from various Westerns and/or Samurai movies/manga.

@M.LeMarchand said:

@VobIdem said:

Wrong. Alex Kurtzman himself OFFICIALLY confirmed the filming of STP season 2 was severely delayed compared to STD season 4's filming schedule, which has had minor delays.

Yes, for the reason I stated.

No, you specifically said because of Patrick Stewart's age, while Kurtzman never said it was because of one actor and spoke in terms indicating the safety of the entire production team.

@M.LeMarchand ALSO said:

As I have previously stated, any current show will have similarities to past ones. When I have pointed out some in pre-Kelvin Trek, these got brushed under the carpet or it's claimed that they're not exactly the same so it doesn't count.

What part of the word theft don't you understand? Because so-called "similarities", as your apologist phrasing put it, are a different thing.

@M.LeMarchand said THIS TOO:

In the case of TO, the directorial style is even based on that of TNG - but it's OK to like that show.

First of all, fans of The Orville don't "like" the show, they love it! It's a science fiction show starring likable characters, who have thrilling, fun adventures as they explore space, unlike Kurtzman's canon-breaking dystopia, that's filled with more sullen desolation than an abandoned blog of a manic-depressive patient.

Weird fans of Gene Roddenberry's Star Trek would "like" The Orville's premise instead of the dumpster fire alternative.

Furthermore, stating The Orville's directorial style is based on TNG makes your Star Trek ignorance look even more pronounced. It's like you've never had the pleasure of watching and rewatching TNG or The Orville, because if you had, you'd know the style isn't like TNG. If anything, the directorial style is closest to ENT, while still being very different.

Perhaps what you mean is that Seth MacFarlane created a science fiction show that's in part inspired by the positive outlook of Gene Roddenberry's Star Trek?

@M.LeMarchand said THIS AS WELL:

P.S. I'm betting that another fan-favourite, The Mandalorian, can also be "proved" to have borrowed liberally from various Westerns and/or Samurai movies/manga.

You're confusing The Mandalorian being inspired by previous works of pop culture and art, and putting its own spin on it, with Kurtzman's shameless copycat style that doesn't even bother to hide what it stole from.

Unlike Jon Favreau, Kurtzman is a thieving hack who instead of giving fans the next great chapter of Star Trek, gave the world a bleak rehash of JJ Abrams' lens flare universe

@VobIdem said:

No, you specifically said because of Patrick Stewart's age, while Kurtzman never said it was because of one actor and spoke in terms indicating the safety of the entire production team.

Well, at least you recognise it was Covid rather than more sinister reasons. Baby steps, eh?

@VobIdem said:

What part of the word theft don't you understand? Because so-called "similarities", as your apologist phrasing put it, are a different thing.

@VobIdem said:

You're confusing The Mandalorian being inspired by previous works of pop culture and art, and putting its own spin on it, with Kurtzman's shameless copycat style that doesn't even bother to hide what it stole from.

I understand that you OTISes use a term in a different way if it's post-Kelvin Trek than when it's a show you support

@VobIdem said:

First of all, fans of The Orville don't "like" the show, they love it! It's a science fiction show starring likable characters, who have thrilling, fun adventures as they explore space, unlike Kurtzman's canon-breaking dystopia, that's filled with more sullen desolation than an abandoned blog of a manic-depressive patient.

Weird fans of Gene Roddenberry's Star Trek would "like" The Orville's premise instead of the dumpster fire alternative.

So, all that was missing from TNG was some off-colour humour? If only Gene had known.

@VobIdem said:

Furthermore, stating The Orville's directorial style is based on TNG makes your Star Trek ignorance look even more pronounced. It's like you've never had the pleasure of watching and rewatching TNG or The Orville, because if you had, you'd know the style isn't like TNG. If anything, the directorial style is closest to ENT, while still being very different.

So, you know better than the star of over 170 eps of TNG and other Trek shows, who has also directed episodes and films from the franchise into double figures? Guess you're more knowledgeable than Jonathan Frakes.

“Stylistically, your responsibility as an episodic television director [is] when you do a show like ‘The Orville,’ you want that show to look like ‘Next Generation,'” he said. “And when you go to Canada to do ‘Star Trek: Discovery,’ they want that show to have the feeling, and look, and vibe of the J.J. [Abrams]-era ‘Star Trek.’ Much more cinematic, a lot of crane work, and a lot of movement, a lot of dutch angles. On ‘Next Generation,’ the traditional framing, and the things we became accustomed to as fans of the show, we see in [‘The Orville’] because that’s the look.”

@M.LeMarchand said:

I understand that you OTISes use a term in a different way if it's post-Kelvin Trek than when it's a show you support

That reply demonstrates that you understand very little about nuances, and have tunnel vision when it comes to STD.

Everything after ENT has been lens flare drivel that misses the utopian philosophy of Gene Roddenberry's Star Trek.

@M.LeMarchand ALSO said:

So, all that was missing from TNG was some off-colour humour? If only Gene had known.

Reducing The Orville to, in your words, off-color humor implies you've yet to see its two seasons, because that simplistic take misses the mark of any validity.

@M.LeMarchand said THIS AS WELL:

So, you know better than the star of over 170 eps of TNG and other Trek shows, who has also directed episodes and films from the franchise into double figures? Guess you're more knowledgeable than Jonathan Frakes.

You're damn right I know better, because Frakes isn't a fan of TNG, ENT or The Orville, and he has neither rewatched these shows multiple times as fans do. Instead, he's worked on a select few episodes per season, as a guest director of the week.

The directorial style of The Orville isn't TNG for a number of reasons, like for example The Orville being directed for widescreen, The Orville being directed in a more energetic and faster pace, and The Orville being directed as a comedy whenever the moment calls for it.

Those 170 episodes he acted in during 16 hour days are a blur to all of the TNG actors, him included. But when it comes to directing TNG, Jonathan Frakes himself said on the TNG bonus DVDs that he tried to approach each episode he directed in a different manner.

Furthermore, this leaves out how Seth MacFarlane has pushed the envelope since season one of The Orville. So much so, Frakes isn't even coming back for season 3, because the production team wants a uniform look when it comes to directing and are limiting directors to just two to achieve this goal.

More importantly though, your own "evidence" destroys your argument because Frakes literally speaks about THE LOOK of TNG, which is production design, not directorial style, and he speaks about the FEEL of TNG which would be music and sound effects added in post-production and editing

The delays announced had nothing to do with Stewart he is getting a vaccine soon or already has gotten it so that no longer is an issue.And the previous delay was because of Stewart but it was related to getting him insured which under the circumstances then were not available(because insurance companies deemed the risk was too great) or would be too expensive(for those companies that did want to insure him).

@VobIdem, I know you OTISes have trouble keeping up, but your chum @Nexus71 has been claiming for years that PIC will never be filmed/released/go further than S1 and has now been delayed due to problems with DIS S4. At least you're agreeing that the delay with PIC is due to Covid.

This just in:

@Nexus71 said:

The delays announced had nothing to do with Stewart he is getting a vaccine soon or already has gotten it so that no longer is an issue.And the previous delay was because of Stewart but it was related to getting him insured which under the circumstances then were not available(because insurance companies deemed the risk was too great) or would be too expensive(for those companies that did want to insure him).

So not due to DIS S4 still.

@VobIdem said:

That reply demonstrates that you understand very little about nuances, and have tunnel vision when it comes to STD.

On the contrary, as much as I like DIS and PIC, they're not perfect:

@M.LeMarchand said:

So, the last few eps...

Not a fan of eps set in "imaginary worlds" outside of a show's "normality", so little disappointed with five eps in a row that had large parts based in such a setting. I guess the Mirror Universe setting was there to show how Georgiou had changed and the holo environment was a way to explain Su'Kal's lack of understanding but they should have spaced the events apart (or come up with another plot device). That said, all five eps were enjoyable, with the bits not in the holo environment in the final 3, being great.

I was a little worried that the ending seemed a bit "final", but AFAICT S4 is still going ahead. If it does, I'd like to know more about the crew we still don't know much about: Detmer, Owosekun, Rhys, Bryce, Nilsson and Reno (I had to remind myself of most of those names!). Not sure we need two new additions (the new lady on the nacelle mission and the chap who used to hero worship Osyraa) when the above are still little-known.

@VobIdem said:

Everything after ENT has been lens flare drivel that misses the utopian philosophy of Gene Roddenberry's Star Trek.

It's interesting that people who seem to be fixated on the idea of a utopia seem to get off on being negative rather than positive.

@VobIdem said:

@M.LeMarchand said THIS TOO:

So, all that was missing from TNG was some off-colour humour? If only Gene had known.

Reducing The Orville to, in your words, off-color humor implies you've yet to see its two seasons, because that simplistic take misses the mark of any validity.

Read again, I said it was TNG with off-colour humour.

@VobIdem said:

@M.LeMarchand said THIS AS WELL:

So, you know better than the star of over 170 eps of TNG and other Trek shows, who has also directed episodes and films from the franchise into double figures? Guess you're more knowledgeable than Jonathan Frakes.

You're damn right I know better, because Frakes isn't a fan of TNG, ENT or The Orville, and he has neither rewatched these shows multiple times as fans do. Instead, he's worked on a select few episodes per season, as a guest director of the week.

The directorial style of The Orville isn't TNG for a number of reasons, like for example The Orville being directed for widescreen, The Orville being directed in a more energetic and faster pace, and The Orville being directed as a comedy whenever the moment calls for it.

Those 170 episodes he acted in during 16 hour days are a blur to all of the TNG actors, him included. But when it comes to directing TNG, Jonathan Frakes himself said on the TNG bonus DVDs that he tried to approach each episode he directed in a different manner.

Furthermore, this leaves out how Seth MacFarlane has pushed the envelope since season one of The Orville. So much so, Frakes isn't even coming back for season 3, because the production team wants a uniform look when it comes to directing and are limiting directors to just two to achieve this goal.

More importantly though, your own "evidence" destroys your argument because Frakes literally speaks about THE LOOK of TNG, which is production design, not directorial style, and he speaks about the FEEL of TNG which would be music and sound effects added in post-production and editing

Maybe if George Bernard Shaw were alive today he'd revise his aphorism to, "Those who can, do; those who can’t, diss the work of others on the internet."

Well then it wouldn't be called a utopia but dystopia,