@movie_nazi said:

...why everyone hates the elves. Pretty lame story telling IMO.

"Elf ships on our shore? Elf workers taking your trades? Workers who don't sleep, don't tire, don't age."

It can't just be that. Elves are looked upon as scum. Has to be more than that.

@movie_nazi said:

It can't just be that. Elves are looked upon as scum. Has to be more than that.

The elves missed their weddings. And the birth of their children.

Maybe they are jealous? But I'm not a Ring fan so don't really know all the ins & outs. But who is EVERYONE?

It is a far cry from "John Ronald Reuel Tolkien" but on the other hand they may well connect the dots soon. I have to fault the writers & the direction (Pacing Sucks IMO).

@bratface said:

Maybe they are jealous? But I'm not a Ring fan so don't really know all the ins & outs. But who is EVERYONE?

Just about every other race. The humans, the meta-humans from Numenour, the dwarves, etc. Just about everyone who isn't an elf? Elves have always brought about peace and prosperity. They share their knowledge and try improve those around them. There really is no reason to be hostile toward them or at least they never showed us. Yes, no matter how good people are you will always have some jealous sort to talk them down but EVERYWHERE the protagonist elf goes, he is met with hostility. Whether it be the black soldier elf, or Elrond meeting the dwarves or Galadriel in Numenour. Either way, this universal hate for the elves is decidedly completely absent from the LOTR trilogy as they are mostly looked upon for wise council and assistance. It's like the writers took a page from the Witcher series where elves are in fact second class citizens and have been almost completely eradicated in genocidal war campaigns and thought, hey wouldn't it be cool if Tolkien's elves are hated too? I don't care if they want to go this way but for the sake of decent story telling, give us a good reason.

@pithawg said:

It is a far cry from "John Ronald Reuel Tolkien" but on the other hand they may well connect the dots soon. I have to fault the writers & the direction (Pacing Sucks IMO).

I agree, the pacing is terrible. I shouldn't have to remind myself to watch a show if it has properly sucked you in.

Well, if ROP followed the books, then the reasons mentioned there are several.

Although Eönwë increased the lifespan of the Númenóreans to hundreds of years - compared to other humans - they envied the elves for their eternal life - immortality, which Sauron promised them if they joined his forces.

They were also angered by being forbidden - by the Valar - to sail too far westward for fear that they might reach the Undying Lands, 'to which Men could not come'.

Side notes:

Míriel, daughter of King Tar-Palantir, was forced to marry her cousin, Ar-Pharazôn, who became the last king of Númenor.

He captured Sauron and brought him back to Númenor. Later he would be corrupted by Sauron and attack Valinor, ultimately leading to the destruction of Númenor.

In the television series the story line might be different, as Galadriel and Míriel could be the ones who defeat Sauron.

@wonder2wonder said:

Well, if ROP followed the books, then the reasons mentioned there are several.

Although Eönwë increased the lifespan of the Númenóreans to hundreds of years - compared to other humans - they envied the elves for their eternal life - immortality, which Sauron promised them if they joined his forces.

They were also angered by being forbidden - by the Valar - to sail too far westward for fear that they might reach the Undying Lands, 'to which Men could not come'.

Side notes:

Míriel, daughter of King Tar-Palantir, was forced to marry her cousin, Ar-Pharazôn, who became the last king of Númenor.

He captured Sauron and brought him back to Númenor. Later he would be corrupted by Sauron and attack Valinor, ultimately leading to the destruction of Númenor.

In the television series the story line might be different, as Galadriel and Míriel could be the ones who defeat Sauron.

It is frustrating how they seem to ignore the books at every turn. I wouldn't be surprised if they indeed turn it into a PP fest where all the chicks do the heavy lifting in defeating the Enemy.