When they hailed the planet, Troi should have identified herself by her rank of Lt. Commander, rather than Counsellor. That would have been far more... respectful?... impressive?... to the leader(s) of that world. Otherwise they should have replied something like "A counsellor? Get back to us when you have a command officer on the line."
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Reply by Nexus71
on March 6, 2020 at 5:15 PM
No wonder I don't like it
Reply by Knixon
on April 18, 2020 at 4:02 PM
That was a rather silly conceit of the show. There's no reason to believe, for example, that the Klingons would only attack when humans think it's supposed to be "daytime."
Reply by Nexus71
on April 18, 2020 at 5:59 PM
In fact Beverly is quite bad ass she is in command of the Enterprise when it was under attack from the renegade Borg ship in fact she actually destroys the ship i Descent part 1&2
Reply by Knixon
on April 18, 2020 at 6:34 PM
Yes but that was also in the daytime. She was in command because Picard, Riker, Data, Geordi, etc were away.
Reply by Knixon
on April 18, 2020 at 6:47 PM
You think she would have been in command if Picard, Riker, Data, or Geordi was there?
Sure. You go on thinking that.
The others have more experience, more seniority, and would have been in command if they were there. That's all it is, not about gender.
Have you forgotten that Lieutenant Monroe - female - was in command at the start of TNG "Disaster" when Picard left the bridge? Lt. Commander Troi was only assumed to be "in command" after lower-ranked Monroe was killed. And since Troi had not, at that point, passed the bridge officer qualifications, she probably shouldn't have been in the command position at all. That was really just Because Plot, Because Drama, etc. If Ro - likely the most qualified on the bridge at that point - had been in command, we saw that her idea was to separate the ship and leave the others behind.
For that matter, it's never really been shown that Beverly had any rank at all. She was never Lieutenant, or Commander, or anything. Just Doctor. Arguably they never should have shown her being in command to start with.
Reply by Nexus71
on April 18, 2020 at 6:50 PM
Fact is Beverly was better at command than Riker she managed to keep the Enterprise in one piece and defeated a Borg ship by using technology mentioned in a previous episode .
Reply by Nexus71
on April 18, 2020 at 6:58 PM
She commanded the USS Pasteur a hospital /medical Starship which was shown in TNG 's finale All Good Things although that may have been een alternate time line.
Reply by Knixon
on April 18, 2020 at 7:01 PM
Of course it was an alternate - Q-Invented, really - timeline. The Enterprise-D still existed, which it couldn't have since it was destroyed in "Generations."
Reply by Nexus71
on April 18, 2020 at 7:05 PM
Yeah that was the refurbished Enterprise D with the three nacels .God I hope at the end of season 2 of Picard Q just snaps his fingers and goes like enough of this nonsense and everything after All Good Things never happened and everything is restored .As far as I am concerned all things with TNG that happen after Generations take place in the Nexus-verse.
Reply by Knixon
on April 18, 2020 at 7:11 PM
Also, there's no mention I can find, that Beverly ever attended Starfleet Academy. And there doesn't seem to be any way she could have risen to full-time command of even a medical ship, without that. In the episode "Family" it's mentioned that she and Jack Crusher probably got married while Beverly was in medical school. No mention of anything else. Without Starfleet Academy, I doubt she could have been in even temporary command of the Enterprise, even if she had somehow taken and passed the bridge-officer qualifications. (Which I still say is basically claptrap nonsense. How long would it take before everyone knew that passing the test required you to holo-order your holo-friend to their holo-death? It would rather quickly become meaningless. Even moreso than Kobyashi Maru which everyone DID know about. But there was no way to "pass" it so knowing didn't matter.) There would be no reason for anyone who hadn't graduated from the Academy to even have the chance to take it.
Reply by Knixon
on April 18, 2020 at 7:43 PM
Grace Hopper enlisted in the Navy Reserve and graduated from Midshipmen's School, basically a simpler or less-prestigious version of the Naval Academy. So she earned ranks in the appropriate manner. If you ever find any good evidence that Medical Doctor Beverly Crusher did anything similar, let me know. And while there were medical staff people who did go through Starfleet Academy to become officers, it wasn't required. See for example, Mr Tarses from TNG: The Drumhead:
Reply by Knixon
on April 18, 2020 at 8:00 PM
Indeed, many people on a starship, especially one with a lot of science labs and stuff, probably never went to Starfleet Academy. Including engineering people. From DS9, "Starship Down":
Reply by Knixon
on April 18, 2020 at 8:07 PM
Or maybe it was just more Because Plot etc BS claptrap nonsense.
Maybe. Maybe not.
It's called MEDICAL SCHOOL. As was also mentioned in the TNG: Families episode previously cited. But that doesn't make you even a junior officer in Starfleet.
Not in MEDICAL SCHOOL.
Right, because this is the 23rd century.
Starfleet Academy would be more like Grad School. You don't take English 101 again in Grad School.
Again, because this is the 23rd Century and Starfleet Academy is just another option down the street.
Medical School != Starfleet Academy. In Starfleet Academy they teach other things.
Repeating the same nonsense doesn't make it become correct.
I didn't say she needed to go to Starfleet Academy to be a DOCTOR. I said she needed to go to Starfleet Academy to become a STARFLEET OFFICER, including a Commander, a Bridge Officer, and later Captain Of Her Own Ship.
Reply by Nexus71
on April 18, 2020 at 8:18 PM
Didn't Picard Jack and Beverly meet at the Academy?
Reply by Nexus71
on April 18, 2020 at 8:39 PM
Memory Alpha ;
Beverly attended Starfleet Academy from 2342 to 2350. (TNG: "Conundrum") During her training, she earned her Doctor of Medicine. (TNG: "The Loss")
During this time, she became romantically involved with Jack Crusher after being introduced by their mutual friend, Walker Keel. (TNG: "Conspiracy") It took months for her to realize their attraction. (TNG: "The Price") The two were married in 2348 after Jack proposed to her through a gag gift, a book entitled How to Advance Your Career Through Marriage. (TNG: "Family")
Jack later served aboard the USS Stargazer under Picard, and the couple became good friends with the captain. Picard later admitted he had fallen in love with Beverly, but did not ever express his feelings because he felt that doing so would betray his friend. (TNG: "Attached")
Almost a year later, the Crushers welcomed a son, Wesley Crusher, in 2348. (TNG: "Coming of _Age")
After Beverly graduated in 2350, she interned with Dr. Dalen Quaice on Delos IV in 2352. (TNG: "Remember Me", "The Loss")
Jack died on an away mission while serving aboard the Stargazer in 2353, Picard having been forced to choose between saving another team member or his friend. Picard brought Jack's body home to the grieving Beverly and Wesley.