@Nexus71 said:

Memory Alpha ;

Beverly attended Starfleet Academy from 2342 to 2350. (TNG: "Conundrum") During her training, she earned her Doctor of Medicine. (TNG: "The Loss")

I don't find anything in the transcript of "Conundrum" to support that. But I do find this:

COMPUTER: Commanding Officer, Captain Jean-Luc Picard. Executive Officer, Commander Keiran MacDuff. Second Officer, Commander William Riker. Operations Officer, Lieutenant Commander Data. Chief Medical Officer, Doctor Beverly Crusher. Ship's Counsellor, Lieutenant Commander Deanna Troi. Chief Engineer, Lieutenant Commander Geordi La Forge. Security Chief, Lieutenant Worf. Helm Officer, Ensign Ro Laren.

No rank is given for Beverly.

And I don't find any mention of either medical school or Starfleet Academy in "The Loss." If it wasn't referred to directly, maybe you can point out where.

During this time, she became romantically involved with Jack Crusher after being introduced by their mutual friend, Walker Keel. (TNG: "Conspiracy") It took months for her to realize their attraction. (TNG: "The Price") The two were married in 2348 after Jack proposed to her through a gag gift, a book entitled How to Advance Your Career Through Marriage. (TNG: "Family")

Jack later served aboard the USS Stargazer under Picard, and the couple became good friends with the captain. Picard later admitted he had fallen in love with Beverly, but did not ever express his feelings because he felt that doing so would betray his friend. (TNG: "Attached")

Almost a year later, the Crushers welcomed a son, Wesley Crusher, in 2348. (TNG: "Coming of _Age")

After Beverly graduated in 2350, she interned with Dr. Dalen Quaice on Delos IV in 2352. (TNG: "Remember Me", "The Loss")

Jack died on an away mission while serving aboard the Stargazer in 2353, Picard having been forced to choose between saving another team member or his friend. Picard brought Jack's body home to the grieving Beverly and Wesley.

None of this has any indication I can see, that Beverly attended Starfleet Academy and became an officer, in addition to going to Medical School to be a medical doctor.

Just because Memory Alpha says it, doesn't make it true, if it's not sourced from an episode. They can invent dates that seem to fit, but if anything in any episode contradicts it, then the episode must be presumed to be true, not Memory Alpha.

Also, there would be no reason for Starfleet Academy to have a Medical School. At least not "first level." And indeed, other doctors and medical personnel obviously didn't go to Starfleet Academy.

I'm still not seeing any evidence of any of that, from episodes. Memory Alpha has a lot of stuff that isn't from episodes, and that means it's just someone's opinion. Something they made up that might sound good to them, but is totally baseless.

Doctor Crusher is only addressed as Doctor (except in the Q-invented alternative timeline) and there is no reason to believe that she went to/graduated from Starfleet Academy as any kind of officer which might have led eventually to command.

Quoting Memory Alpha doesn't change that. If you find anything in actual episodes, let me know.

I'm not talking about Medical School. Obviously she went to Medical School. But there's no evidence that she attended/graduated from STARFLEET ACADEMY, in order to become an OFFICER who could be qualified for BRIDGE DUTY AND/OR COMMAND. Even the computer record in "Conundrum" only referred to her as DOCTOR, not Lieutenant or Commander or even Ensign. If ANYTHING was going to give an officer rank for her, it would be the COMPUTERIZED CREW MANIFEST. Especially since Troi was identified as LIEUTENANT COMMANDER.

Except in that episode, she said - IN THE EPISODE, it's not my imagination - that she was at MEDICAL SCHOOL. If she was at Starfleet Academy, or Starfleet Academy Medical School, don't you think she would have said that? And that her given rank would be mentioned SOMETIME, perhaps ESPECIALLY in the computer readout of the crew manifest, during which "Ship's Counsellor" was given as "Lieutenant Commander Deanna Troi," but Crusher was just "DOCTOR BEVERLY CRUSHER?"

Giving someone a rank that is never mentioned in the show, is making stuff up. You and Memory Alpha are doing that, not me. I'm the one going with what is actually shown and said.

No, you got that wrong again. I'm talking about a fictional character within the fictional show, like I said before. It's only what's in the show. What you sometimes do is, like, to re-use an example I used before, look at how fictional Ferengi males treat fictional Ferengi females on a fictional TV show, and think that has any bearing on how ACTUAL (human) males treat ACTUAL (human) females in the REAL WORLD. Which is BS claptrap nonsense.

No, there's not proof that Beverly went to Starfleet Academy, because Memory Alpha is not dispositive. It's not mentioned in the show. So anything anyone makes up, is just that: made up. Proof would be in the show, in the episodes. But it's not mentioned there. So any other claim is unsubstantiated.

Usually in the army you have to go through basic training first before you are trained in your primary function.Also doctors and other medical specialists are commonly referred to their medical profession although they have a military rank.I worked as a dental assistent during my draft period .

Someone with a degree in literature should understand that positive assertions require proof. I'm not making any kind of positive assertion. I'm pointing out that the positive assertion made by others, has no proof/evidence. Therefore the lack of that assertion is the logical conclusion. Which doesn't require "proof' even if it were possible to do so. Are you unfamiliar with the expression "you can't prove a negative?" I don't have to "prove" that Beverly DIDN'T go to Starfleet Academy. Someone who asserts that she DID, needs to come up with the evidence. But there isn't any. Memory Alpha isn't evidence, evidence comes from the episodes.

@Nexus71 said:

Usually in the army you have to go through basic training first before you are trained in your primary function.Also doctors and other medical specialists are commonly referred to their medical profession although they have a military rank.I worked as a dental assistent during my draft period .

As mentioned before, the character Simon Tarses in the episode "The Drumhead" went to Starfleet training for enlisted personnel, and he was a medical assistant. But he didn't graduate from Starfleet Academy to be an officer, he didn't have any officer rank - he was referred to as "crewman" - he couldn't have taken the bridge officer qualification, and he couldn't have been in command even on "night shift."

Dialogue from TNG episode Thine Own Self.

CRUSHER: I volunteered tonight. I like to put in a little Bridge time now and then, stay on top of operations, tactical procedures. The truth is, I like it. It's not every doctor who gets to command a starship, even if it is the night shift.

TROI: May I ask you a personal question? Why did you decide to become a Commander? I mean, you didn't need the rank in order to be Chief Medical Officer, so why put yourself through all the extra work?

CRUSHER: Oh, I don't know. I never even thought about my rank for a long time. It seemed pretty trivial compared to being a doctor. But then, about eight years ago, I started to feel like I wanted to stretch myself a little.

So Crusher is commander she probably had a lower rank when she left the Academy but later decided to go for Command training. after finishing that she became commander voilá problem solved.

That's suggestive, yes. But not as suggestive as that it's never mentioned anywhere else, such as in "Conundrum" where everyone's rank is mentioned, including Troi's.

It seems like something of a one-episode retcon. Maybe a contract renegotiation with Gates McFadden... If she had been gone more than one season when Pulaski filled in, maybe they could say that's when she got commissioned. I would also point out that "Thine Own Self" is in season 7. So "about eight years ago" would have been before the series began! And it never came up in all that time?

Also, there's the bit about "all the extra work," and yet Troi apparently managed to do it all before the end of that episode! I know it wasn't just one day - Data was on that other planet longer than that - but still it wasn't all that long before the Enterprise went to find him.

Primarily, she was never mentioned as having any Starfleet rank up until then, even when it clearly should have happened, as it did with Lt Commander Troi in "Conundrum." That isn't the kind of thing that would be missing from an official crew manifest.

She was high enough in rank to take over command of the Enterprise in Decent part 1&2.Just because she sees herself foremost as a doctor and in the oridnary daily routine identifies herself as doctor rather than commander but it doesn't mean she can't hold the rank of Commander like I said in the Dutch Army doctors and other medical personnel are usually referred to by their profession in the military rather than rank for example a dentist could hold the rank of luitenant or major but is usually adressed to by their title as dentist rather than rank.

Like I said before, that was only because every other officer was down on the planet. If Riker, Geordi, Data, or maybe any of several others had been on the ship, they would have been in command.

It gets pretty random at time. But we know that Kyle's name was Kyle, right? Even if Kirk called him Cowell a couple times?