That's something to look forward to. Maybe we'll get something new like Firefly, not another "reboot" of Star Trek or Battlestar Galactica where they just make the ships filthy and the characters psychotic.

@FormerlyKnownAs said:

He was 14 at the time--that was however many years ago--kids were not as 'worldly' as they are today; so maybe he miss-interpreted whatever happen.

If you mean Spacey should have said he misinterpreted being carried to the bed, laid down, and then laid UPON, I'm not sure what benefit there would be. "We were just running lines?"

How would that be a misinterpretation? He would have to declare that it simply didn't happen.

@FormerlyKnownAs said:

@ArcticFox12 said:

Spacey is now toxic and I'm convinced his career is over. I just find it shocking how quickly someone can be ruined by allegations alone; seems like anyone in Hollywood with a semblance of an axe to grind can just throw out accusations and see any person's career and reputation destroyed immediately.

It's scary.

Which leads me to the question I've always wanted to ask: Why didn't Spacey deny! deny! deny!

It's not like Swift's butt-guy where they had a picture. With Spacey and this guy it was: He said. He said. We already know Spacey is integrity-challenged, so why not go on the offensive. Why not claim: It didn't happen. - He must be miss-remembering. - Maybe he mixed me up with someone else. - He was 14 at the time--that was however many years ago--kids were not as 'worldly' as they are today; so maybe he miss-interpreted whatever happen.

I mean it really wouldn't have mattered how Spacey phrased it or what he said AS LONG AS he went on the offensive and cast doubt. Anyone else coming behind this guy making similar claims Spacey could dismiss as some disgruntle, and/or envy, greed, payback, piling-on, publicity seeker, whatever.

Without pictures/tapes, whoever could have said whatever they wanted, but I'd never own up to ANY of it. The devil could be dragging my lying "A" off to hell; and still (without hard proof otherwise) I'd be claiming that I'm the innocent victim of personal vendettas and professional jealousies . After all, everyone knows you make a lot of enemies coming up in this business AND the longer you stay at the top--the more your make.

Even if he is caught-out later, the loss will be no greater; SO why be so quick to 'own it'.

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OK! Just so no one hops on their soapbox and/or start "throwing bricks" at me I AM IN NO WAY CONDONING Spacey contemptible behavior. I'm just curious. The question is purely academic. (The personal-part about lying--well, have to own up to that )

Deny deny may work when it's one person doing the accusing and there haven't been rumors and accusations circling around you for years....that isn't the case with KS. Now his accusation count is approaching the double digits. He's done.

Also I don't think it's news to the Hollywood elite. They're distancing themselves because it's household news now.

@ArcticFox12 said:

Deny deny may work when it's one person doing the accusing and there haven't been rumors and accusations circling around you for years....that isn't the case with KS. Now his accusal count is approaching the double digits. He's done.

It does seem like those who know there's a ****-storm coming their way, don't bother to just say "I did not have sexual relations with that (wo)man, I did not ask anyone to lie, not a single time, never."

Oops.

And there have been a few that started out claiming they never did anything to anyone. Then when the multiple accusers turned up, it did seem to go worse for them.

So far, I've only heard of Alec Baldwin admitting first, before specific accusations were made. But does that really matter in his case? Didn't everyone already basically know about him? When his accusers start, the most appropriate response might be "take a number."

@Knixon said:

@ArcticFox12 said:

Deny deny may work when it's one person doing the accusing and there haven't been rumors and accusations circling around you for years....that isn't the case with KS. Now his accusal count is approaching the double digits. He's done.

It does seem like those who know there's a ****-storm coming their way, don't bother to just say "I did not have sexual relations with that (wo)man, I did not ask anyone to lie, not a single time, never."

Oops.

And there have been a few that started out claiming they never did anything to anyone. Then when the multiple accusers turned up, it did seem to go worse for them.

So far, I've only heard of Alec Baldwin admitting first, before specific accusations were made. But does that really matter in his case? Didn't everyone already basically know about him? When his accusers start, the most appropriate response might be "take a number."

I think Alec Baldwin may have jumped out in front of a story at the behest of his family or PR people.

KS is a legit perv and it's all coming to light now. And I never thought it was a coincidence that one of his best buddies is director Bryan Singer , an alleged pedophile.

Kind of makes the last 25 minutes of "American Beauty" look interesting in retrospect ,huh?

@FormerlyKnownAs said:

@Knixon said:

@FormerlyKnownAs said:

He was 14 at the time--that was however many years ago--kids were not as 'worldly' as they are today; so maybe he miss-interpreted whatever happen.

If you mean Spacey should have said he misinterpreted being carried to the bed, laid down, and then laid UPON, I'm not sure what benefit there would be. "We were just running lines?"

How would that be a misinterpretation? He would have to declare that it simply didn't happen.

That's what the guy said; but who (on the outside) is to say (without hard proof) that the story he told is exactly what happened/how it happened. He is, after all, looking back at this through a lot of years--through a lot of experiences? Anyway, that's why it's called He Said-He said.

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Still like to hear your take on why Spacey didn't deny?

Denying works best when the accusations are actually false. Denying when you know there's a dam holding back multiple users can make things worse, not better. Especially if any of these accusations end up in court. Then the opposition counsel can point to how you've already lied about this very scenario. So from a legal standpoint, you hurt yourself even more as you have even less credibility. So sometimes "deny deny deny" can be very counterproductive.

@Knixon said:

@CalabrianQueen said:

@Knixon said:

@censorshipsucks06 said:

... he doesn't discuss, he babbles while tossing together terms and ideas he doesn't and/or refuses to comprehend - but thinks stringing them together and combining them with his 'imagination' somehow makes him clever. Unfortunately for him, it proves the exact opposite.

"Sez you." And is that supposed to matter, or something?

“Great spirits have always encountered opposition from mediocre minds. The mediocre mind is incapable of understanding the man who refuses to bow blindly to conventional prejudices and chooses instead to express his opinions courageously and honestly.”

― Albert Einstein

Are you attempting to compare yourself to Albert Einstein ? Lmao

Maybe Albert Desalvo but definitely not Einstein.

I figured someone would make that mistake too, not really surprised it's you.

Can you not see how someone could quote someone - including Einstein - without claiming a direct comparison with them? If I quoted Einstein "The sky is blue" or "Nazis are evil" would you make the same ridiculous comment?

I guess you don't know the difference between a question and a statement. Read again and then reevaluate your obviously pre- planned response.

@ArcticFox12 said:

I think Alec Baldwin may have jumped out in front of a story at the behest of his family or PR people.

"Get out in front of it" is probably common advice for these people, but in most cases it doesn't work or isn't helpful especially if there are - or will be - multiple accusers. Baldwin's main advantage here could be that people have known he's basically a dick for quite a while. That doesn't seem to be quite the same as what happened with Spacey. So further complaints of Baldwin being a dick aren't likely to make much difference. It might change if there's accusations of some kind of sexual assault that went farther than just being a dick.

KS is a legit perv and it's all coming to light now. And I never thought it was a coincidence that one of his best buddies is director Bryan Singer , an alleged pedophile.

Kind of makes the last 25 minutes of "American Beauty" look interesting in retrospect ,huh?

It's been a long time since I saw that, but I don't remember any part of AB involving Spacey's character being interested in a male character, either just underage or actually prepubescent. Maybe I missed something. (And it would seem, at least based on accusations and what Spacey is saying now, it would have had to be a boy character.)

@FormerlyKnownAs said:

@Knixon said:

@FormerlyKnownAs said:

He was 14 at the time--that was however many years ago--kids were not as 'worldly' as they are today; so maybe he miss-interpreted whatever happen.

If you mean Spacey should have said he misinterpreted being carried to the bed, laid down, and then laid UPON, I'm not sure what benefit there would be. "We were just running lines?"

How would that be a misinterpretation? He would have to declare that it simply didn't happen.

That's what the guy said; but who (on the outside) is to say (without hard proof) that the story he told is exactly what happened/how it happened. He is, after all, looking back at this through a lot of years--through a lot of experiences? Anyway, that's why it's called He Said-He said.

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Still like to hear your take on why Spacey didn't deny?

Maybe he - and some others - actually believe it is (or should be) less of a concern for homosexuals? They might argue there's less of a "power imbalance" when it involves two people of the same gender. Just for the sake of evidence I would point out that there is the North American Man-Boy Love Association, and they don't seem to be particularly criticized in Hollywood, but I'm unaware of a similar group regarding men and little girls.

@CalabrianQueen said:

@Knixon said:

@CalabrianQueen said:

@Knixon said:

@censorshipsucks06 said:

... he doesn't discuss, he babbles while tossing together terms and ideas he doesn't and/or refuses to comprehend - but thinks stringing them together and combining them with his 'imagination' somehow makes him clever. Unfortunately for him, it proves the exact opposite.

"Sez you." And is that supposed to matter, or something?

“Great spirits have always encountered opposition from mediocre minds. The mediocre mind is incapable of understanding the man who refuses to bow blindly to conventional prejudices and chooses instead to express his opinions courageously and honestly.”

― Albert Einstein

Are you attempting to compare yourself to Albert Einstein ? Lmao

Maybe Albert Desalvo but definitely not Einstein.

I figured someone would make that mistake too, not really surprised it's you.

Can you not see how someone could quote someone - including Einstein - without claiming a direct comparison with them? If I quoted Einstein "The sky is blue" or "Nazis are evil" would you make the same ridiculous comment?

I guess you don't know the difference between a question and a statement. Read again and then reevaluate your obviously pre- planned response.

No, you did miss it, again. It's like the story about, for example, the two hikers in the woods who encounter a bear. They start to run, and one says to the other. "this is ridiculous, we can't outrun a bear!" and the other says "I don't have to outrun the bear, I only have to outrun YOU."

Referencing that quote from Einstein doesn't require that I am - or even claim to be - as smart as Einstein in order to suffer the slings and arrows of outraged posters. All it requires is being smarter than YOU. Which you continue to demonstrate on a regular basis.

@Knixon said:

@CalabrianQueen said:

@Knixon said:

@CalabrianQueen said:

@Knixon said:

@censorshipsucks06 said:

... he doesn't discuss, he babbles while tossing together terms and ideas he doesn't and/or refuses to comprehend - but thinks stringing them together and combining them with his 'imagination' somehow makes him clever. Unfortunately for him, it proves the exact opposite.

"Sez you." And is that supposed to matter, or something?

“Great spirits have always encountered opposition from mediocre minds. The mediocre mind is incapable of understanding the man who refuses to bow blindly to conventional prejudices and chooses instead to express his opinions courageously and honestly.”

― Albert Einstein

Are you attempting to compare yourself to Albert Einstein ? Lmao

Maybe Albert Desalvo but definitely not Einstein.

I figured someone would make that mistake too, not really surprised it's you.

Can you not see how someone could quote someone - including Einstein - without claiming a direct comparison with them? If I quoted Einstein "The sky is blue" or "Nazis are evil" would you make the same ridiculous comment?

I guess you don't know the difference between a question and a statement. Read again and then reevaluate your obviously pre- planned response.

No, you did miss it, again. It's like the story about, for example, the two hikers in the woods who encounter a bear. They start to run, and one says to the other. "this is ridiculous, we can't outrun a bear!" and the other says "I don't have to outrun the bear, I only have to outrun YOU."

Referencing that quote from Einstein doesn't require that I am - or even claim to be - as smart as Einstein in order to suffer the slings and arrows of outraged posters. All it requires is being smarter than YOU. Which you continue to demonstrate on a regular basis.

Alrighty there "Einstein".

@FormerlyKnownAs said:

@censorshipsucks06 said:

@FormerlyKnownAs said:

@Knixon said:

@FormerlyKnownAs said:

He was 14 at the time--that was however many years ago--kids were not as 'worldly' as they are today; so maybe he miss-interpreted whatever happen.

If you mean Spacey should have said he misinterpreted being carried to the bed, laid down, and then laid UPON, I'm not sure what benefit there would be. "We were just running lines?"

How would that be a misinterpretation? He would have to declare that it simply didn't happen.

That's what the guy said; but who (on the outside) is to say (without hard proof) that the story he told is exactly what happened/how it happened. He is, after all, looking back at this through a lot of years--through a lot of experiences? Anyway, that's why it's called He Said-He said.

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Still like to hear your take on why Spacey didn't deny?

Denying works best when the accusations are actually false. *Denying when you know there's a dam holding back multiple users can make things worse, not better. * Especially if any of these accusations end up in court. Then the opposition counsel can point to how you've already lied about this very scenario. So from a legal standpoint, you hurt yourself even more as you have even less credibility. So sometimes "deny deny deny" can be very counterproductive.

Yeah. I can see it not being a strategic move when you know there is more on the way . Probably why he went with "don't remember" instead.

Yep. The "Don't Remember" line is an age old way to get out of perjuring yourself, and it's now used both in and out of courts. It's used mainly in testimony because it's damn hard to prove one way or the other that someone either does or doesn't remember something. However, if you flat out deny and it can be proven you did something, you can cook your own goose. People will try to backtrack to the "I don't remember" line after that, but credibility is not as high. If you give that "I don't recall" comment out of the gate, even though you may look like a total idiot, you can somewhat protect yourself legally.

I recall reading about a few cases where "I don't remember" finally didn't hold up in court, because they found evidence of the person "contemporaneously" discussing the issue they supposedly "don't remember" with someone else, or something. But most of the time it's probably just about impossible to disprove.

Have there been any divorces beginning yet, because of this? Seems like it would be inevitable at some point, at least a few, especially if the accusations include things that took place during the marriage. Since there have been some accusations put against Ben Affleck, makes it a question if maybe at least in part, wife Jennifer Garner found out about what was coming and decided to get out of the way, hence their divorce filing early this year. But they'd been separates for a while already, so maybe not. Or maybe it wasn't about the possibility of coming public accusations, but she found out about stuff herself.

@Knixon said:

Have there been any divorces beginning yet, because of this? Seems like it would be inevitable at some point, at least a few, especially if the accusations include things that took place during the marriage. Since there have been some accusations put against Ben Affleck, makes it a question if maybe at least in part, wife Jennifer Garner found out about what was coming and decided to get out of the way, hence their divorce filing early this year. But they'd been separates for a while already, so maybe not. Or maybe it wasn't about the possibility of coming public accusations, but she found out about stuff herself.

I think your speculation about Affleck and Garner is far off. First - how could anyone have seen what we are now witnessing in Hollywood "coming"? Especially in Affleck's case - where he got caught up in it because he felt the need to self-righteously Tweet about Weinstein - and that's the main reason the accusation about him surfaced - as a refutation of his Tweet.

I'd say a marriage coming to an end like Garner's and Affleck's, isn't remotely shocking - given that it's an established fact Affleck cheated on Garner with their own nanny. So I don't think, in part, Garner 'found out what was coming'. It's far more likely rooted in previous existing problems.

Now, as usual, I'm sure you'll counter and cling to your original hypothesis, and that's both fine and typical - since that's how your brain functions.

To answer your first question - Georgina Chapman is divorcing Harvey Weinstein.

http://variety.com/2017/film/news/harvey-weinstein-wife-georgina-chapman-divorcing-divorce-1202586378/