Anyone know how to mute a thread?

@Je_suis_le_vampire_Lestat said:

Anyone know how to mute a thread?

1. Tap/click the top left menu, then
2. Tap/click "Stop Watching."

Thank you!

@jonnieblack said:

@write2topcat For some reason the thread is not allowing me to quote your post, so I have to hail you.

Rick sparing Negan falls into that category too. You can just picture the writers in conference saying, we have to keep Negan around, so Rick will have a lightbulb change of heart at the last minute just to prove he is still a good guy. They followed the comics storyline so I wasn't surprised but still hated it.

Right, I have not read the comic book but I understand from others' comments that the show is following along with the book story. So whatever happens in the comic book I guess we will see in the show, pretty much. And I understand them doing that. Many people get upset with screen media when stories deviate greatly from the book. Thanks for tipping me about the comic book storyline on this part of the story.

But for me, after that episode which introduced Negan where he bashed in Abraham's head and then crushed Glenn's head, and made such a show of enjoying it so much, I felt from that point onward that motherfucker has to die. In my opinion, someone who exhibits that much glee in torturing people, and who feels entitled to enslave them and control them through terrorism, well, they have to die.
Anyone who engages in such torturous murders, and who enslaves people, who maims people as a means of instilling fear in the rest, in real life isn't capable of re-entering society as a redeemed individual. I know Rick said Negan will die in jail, but who really thinks that is how it's going to go? We were given a hint at how things might be headed with Carl's letter, which made me want to puke. Negan tortured and murdered his people, and enslaved the rest. How does Carl then ask his Dad to find a way to get along with Negan, stop fighting him? Is the comic book going to rehabilitate Negan? That would be too much. People who are that sociopathic don't turn into good people. I don't care what kind of back story they give him to try to explain his actions or mitigate them.

[By the way, When Rick said to Negan "we've killed people, you've killed people, so it's not that. But it's how you killed them, and put people under your heel...etc." he got it partly right. Rick failed to differentiate between the reasons for the killings. And that is the MOST important point to make. It makes ALL the difference. It is why Rick and company were right and justified in their killings, and why Negan and his gang were wrong and at fault for theirs. Rick and company were fighting against a dictator who killed people to subjugate others. Rick and company killed people to fight against tyranny and defend the peaceful and innocent people. THAT difference is huge. And Rick didn't mention it at all. Rick's statement reminds me of those who view all violence as equally bad. They ignore the moral difference between someone who hunts and murders the weak, and someone who kills the would be murderer in self defense. ]

Don't rely too heavily on the comic book storyline. Fans have done that in the past when they see the story line going in that direction only to experience something totally different. Carl wasn't suppose to die, but yet he's dead.

@Nubyan said:

Don't rely too heavily on the comic book storyline. Fans have done that in the past when they see the story line going in that direction only to experience something totally different. Carl wasn't suppose to die, but yet he's dead.

There have been plenty of departures feom the comic storyline. It's, at best, a rough guide, but not at all the script for the show.

@DRDMovieMusings said:

@Nubyan said:

Don't rely too heavily on the comic book storyline. Fans have done that in the past when they see the story line going in that direction only to experience something totally different. Carl wasn't suppose to die, but yet he's dead.

There have been plenty of departures feom the comic storyline. It's, at best, a rough guide, but not at all the script for the show.

Well that makes sense. There would hardly be any surprises if they followed it exactly, or even very closely.
I have not read it so it wouldn't matter to me.

I'd like to hear others' opinions on something. The show has a recurring theme of characters undergoing a redemption of sorts, i.e. often they are introduced showing their least appealing traits and/or behaving badly. Later they undergo some experiences which involve them gaining life altering insights, or otherwise changing their outlook such that they become better people.
Or in Rick's case, he was a decent person to begin with. Then as a result of having to deal with murderous dictators, such as the Governor and Negan and his acolytes, he developed warring skills and behaviors which hardened him. One cannot kill other human beings without being changed profoundly. Rick had killed in self defense, but that is wholly different from setting out to kill someone, even though they may be intent upon killing you. Then, at the end of this last episode Rick elected to spare Negan's life. He had a kind of emotional, almost religious experience sitting at the trunk of that tree when he looked upward and said "my mercy overcame my rage", or something close to that.

Anyway, I started to wonder whether keeping Negan alive was always part of the plan, or whether it was a recent decision, perhaps influenced by current events. Were the writers concerned about the school shootings? Did they perhaps think that having Rick following through and exacting revenge on Negan might energize some disturbed teenager on a vengeance path to kill those he perceived as having wronged him? Could the storyline have been consciously altered with the intent of offering different ideations leading toward less violent resolutions? I know, it's impossible to know that for certain, short of the writers coming out and saying so. I also recall Andrew Lincoln talking about how much the cast hated it when the script calls for some of their number to be killed off. He spoke of how tight the cast is, how they are like a family, etc. And I gather everyone gets along with Jeffery (Negan) quite well. Did they lobby to find a way to keep him in the show? I kind of doubt this would influence the writers though. The premise of the show sort of requires that characters get killed off from time to time.

So, who thinks Negan was always meant to survive the war with Rick? Who thinks it's possible the writers felt some social responsibility to back away from the revenge aspect and may have altered the script somewhat? Or have they always intended for Negan to survive, and perhaps undergo some sort of conversion and possible redemption also? Who thinks something else?

Just curious.

@write2topcat said:

@DRDMovieMusings said:

@Nubyan said:

Don't rely too heavily on the comic book storyline. Fans have done that in the past when they see the story line going in that direction only to experience something totally different. Carl wasn't suppose to die, but yet he's dead.

There have been plenty of departures feom the comic storyline. It's, at best, a rough guide, but not at all the script for the show.

Well that makes sense. There would hardly be any surprises if they followed it exactly, or even very closely.
I have not read it so it wouldn't matter to me.

I'd like to hear others' opinions on something. The show has a recurring theme of characters undergoing a redemption of sorts, i.e. often they are introduced showing their least appealing traits and/or behaving badly. Later they undergo some experiences which involve them gaining life altering insights, or otherwise changing their outlook such that they become better people.
Or in Rick's case, he was a decent person to begin with. Then as a result of having to deal with murderous dictators, such as the Governor and Negan and his acolytes, he developed warring skills and behaviors which hardened him. One cannot kill other human beings without being changed profoundly. Rick had killed in self defense, but that is wholly different from setting out to kill someone, even though they may be intent upon killing you. Then, at the end of this last episode Rick elected to spare Negan's life. He had a kind of emotional, almost religious experience sitting at the trunk of that tree when he looked upward and said "my mercy overcame my rage", or something close to that.

Anyway, I started to wonder whether keeping Negan alive was always part of the plan, or whether it was a recent decision, perhaps influenced by current events. Were the writers concerned about the school shootings? Did they perhaps think that having Rick following through and exacting revenge on Negan might energize some disturbed teenager on a vengeance path to kill those he perceived as having wronged him? Could the storyline have been consciously altered with the intent of offering different ideations leading toward less violent resolutions? I know, it's impossible to know that for certain, short of the writers coming out and saying so. I also recall Andrew Lincoln talking about how much the cast hated it when the script calls for some of their number to be killed off. He spoke of how tight the cast is, how they are like a family, etc. And I gather everyone gets along with Jeffery (Negan) quite well. Did they lobby to find a way to keep him in the show? I kind of doubt this would influence the writers though. The premise of the show sort of requires that characters get killed off from time to time.

So, who thinks Negan was always meant to survive the war with Rick? Who thinks it's possible the writers felt some social responsibility to back away from the revenge aspect and may have altered the script somewhat? Or have they always intended for Negan to survive, and perhaps undergo some sort of conversion and possible redemption also? Who thinks something else?

Just curious.

Interesting thoughts.

On the face of it, yeah, the TV show was consistent with the comic source material, (see this and that).

However, I appreciate your connecting it to what might be happening in real life, because the TV show has indeed departed from the comic source material several times. They could have departed here - few who've followed this show since the beginning would have begrudged Rick for dispatching Negan with extreme prejudice; but, sticking to the comic material is a choice they made, and it's ever possible some social sensibilities could have prevailed to justify them not going off in a different direction here.

One thing is certain - there are also some misguided souls on this board with the audacity, the cheek, the unmitigated gall, to say outloud that they think Rick is as bad or worse than Negan; had Rick killed Negan, that camp would be persuaded that they might have been right. But, again, for those who've followed this since the very beginning, after all we've known of Rick and his moral compass, the risk he's put himself and others in while trying to do "the right thing", it's madness to conflate Rick with Negan, and this ultimate act - mercy upon someone who doesn't deserve it - cements, once and for all, that no, Rick and Negan are not the same. Not at all.

And, in this respect, I thank the writers, for all they've screwed up these last several seasons, that, at least this silly notion can be put to rest.

@DRDMovieMusings said:

One thing is certain - there are also some misguided souls on this board with the audacity, the cheek, the unmitigated gall, to say outloud that they think Rick is as bad or worse than Negan; had Rick killed Negan, that camp would be persuaded that they might have been right. But, again, for those who've followed this since the very beginning, after all we've known of Rick and his moral compass, the risk he's put himself and others in while trying to do "the right thing", it's madness to conflate Rick with Negan, and this ultimate act - mercy upon someone who doesn't deserve it - cements, once and for all, that no, Rick and Negan are not the same. Not at all.

And, in this respect, I thank the writers, for all they've screwed up these last several seasons, that, at least this silly notion can be put to rest.

Yeah, I've read at least one post which voiced that point of view, i.e. that Rick had become worse than Negan. And like you, I reject that idea flatly. To suggest Rick is worse, or even the same as Negan requires that one be blind to the moral difference between them.

There are some camps which view violence as always bad. The person who murders a grandmother, and the person who kills someone to prevent them murdering their grandmother, are both condemned by this camp because both used violence and killed someone. In fact people from this camp are often heard sympathizing with the murderer, speaking of their unfortunate upbringing, the condition of poverty they suffer, or injustices they may have suffered, as mitigating circumstances. And if the person who kills to stop a murder is middle class or well to do, they may be judged more harshly than the murderer. To this group, Rick is in the wrong for fighting back, and especially for winning. They would like Rick if he were a subjugated loser, but not when he justifiably fights back and wins.

They were never taught, or never understood, that the proper response when someone offers you lethal violence is to give it back in spades, to defeat them with overwhelming counter-violence. If the criminal element is to be defeated, it is the intended victims who must do it. They don't fear the law; they must be made to fear the victim.

Also, some seem to be swayed by the Negan bullshit, as when he calls himself a savior. Crazy as it sounds, I think that some people actually cut Negan some slack because he presents himself as a 'reasonable' man, even though his definition of 'reasonable' is absurd. I think such people would be found among the collaborators in the event that the country were occupied by a hostile power, as France was occupied by the Nazis. They are frightened, afraid to stand up to aggression, and easily persuaded by the bullshit of the aggressors.

I'd rather die than live by someone's bullshit. First, having tried my best to permanently put someone down who insists on trying to control me. I know that much about myself. And, I'm the sweetest person you'd ever meet. But some things...would be hard for me to tolerate.

Not sure where the rest of you would stand on that subject.

I agree Nubyan. Personally I try to treat others as well as I would like to be treated. And that has served me well. There have been a few isolated instances when individuals mistook me for an easy target. But those people ceased and left once they realized things would not go the way they had planned.

Generally speaking, criminal types look for unarmed, frightened people. If you are prepared and determined not to be a victim, most of them quickly go somewhere else in a hurry.

@write2topcat said:

I agree Nubyan. Personally I try to treat others as well as I would like to be treated. And that has served me well. There have been a few isolated instances when individuals mistook me for an easy target. But those people ceased and left once they realized things would not go the way they had planned.

You and I would get along well.

I guess none of us really know how we would react in the situation Rick and Eugene find themselves in. I am not a yes sir, no sir kind of person either, so definitely would have a difficult time under the Saviors.

I agree that the Rick is worse than Negan people need to have their heads examined.

@jonnieblack said:

I agree that the Rick is worse than Negan people need to have their heads examined.

Thanks for coming out.