HI Travis
I'm pretty disappointed to see a thread I posted yesterday concerning incorrect data editing appears to have been deleted.
I have been updating a show City Lights, and actually going to the trouble of adding individual episode overviews / guest stars, etc.
However I noticed a moderator (David Haller) had incorrectly updated the network to "BBC One" instead of the correct regional "BBC One Scotland".
I had a bit of a chat with @Lineker and @alltimeMarr about this yesterday explaining why the other edit was wrong and the whole situation re BBC Scotland Vs BBC UK output / network differences. I'd also said in my post that I didn't want to play update "tennis" switching it back and forward.
Anyway today I see that David Haller has again set the network back incorrectly to "BBC One". In isolation, I'm think perhaps he didn't see the thread, however that also has also been deleted!
Can you let me know what's going on here? I'm not going to continue making data contributions if the system is open to abuse by unchecked moderators if they can delete threads...
Thanks
¿No encuentras una película o serie? Inicia sesión para crearla:
¿Quieres puntuar o añadir este elemento a una lista?
¿No eres miembro?
Contestado por Travis Bell
el 22 de marzo de 2017 a las 11:41
Hi there,
Moderators cannot delete threads but they do have the ability to mark threads as spam which ultimately does delete them. If that's what happened here, yes, that is a clear abuse of power. Years ago, moderators could delete threads but I explicitly removed the ability for moderators to delete threads because of problems like this. I can't say what may, or may not have happened though.
Once the new account pages go live (should be end of this week) one of my next tasks is to look at the moderating/reporting of discussions since there's no real system in place for that. At that time, all of this will be fleshed out (like the idea of a soft delete, which wouldn't actually remove anything but simply hide the discussion).
With regards to the content issue, I don't have much knowledge about this one. What was the consensus with you and Lineker and Marr?
Contestado por lineker
el 22 de marzo de 2017 a las 11:41
Strange. Only the user and Travis should be able to delete other user topics than their own. But maybe Paszt (David Haller) has that option as well. Another discussion regarding that moderator went missing today as well...
(Travis got there quicker and with a better answer. I'll let my reply stay anyhow.)
Contestado por Midi-chlorian_Count
el 22 de marzo de 2017 a las 12:30
@travisbell
Re the issue, we were discussing City Lights which was a BBC Scotland production. It only ever aired on "BBC One Scotland" and at a later date UK-Wide on the UK-Wide "BBC Two". You can see this looking at the air dates at the bottom of this page:- http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p01291wg i.e. BBC One Scotland: Oct '86, rest of UK, "national" main network BBC Two: July '87.
Marr had found a site (I can't remember which) that only listed the BBC Two network dates, as far as I remember, and I'd said that maybe his error was that the BBC page does just have the main UK-wide BBC One icon listed.
Really, I'd have been happy just to message him details the details and explain why listing "BBC One" was incorrect but was hoping that he'd see this and understand the difference between regional and UK BBC broadcasting and why there are separate dates and on different channels.
I really don't understand why though, having read the previous thread, he'd change it back and delete the thread...
Contestado por Marr 🇳🇱
el 28 de marzo de 2017 a las 17:01
Btw, I changed it back again, also removed BBC Two, as we don't support re-airings only network changes/re-naming (like listing ABC Family and Freeform for Pretty Little Liars). In most cases it will just be one network listed.
Contestado por Midi-chlorian_Count
el 28 de marzo de 2017 a las 17:55
Thanks @alltimemarr 👍Will watch out to see if that sticks - I was actually getting quite the bug for making edits until this happened but it kind of put me off...
I'm not sure re that "re-airing" thing - if you lived in England, BBC Two was the network for it's first airing. But if the standard here is just to list the original airing network in "country" of origin then you're right to remove BBC Two.
I guess it's a funny scenario given the Scotland's not quite really a country status!
Contestado por lineker
el 29 de marzo de 2017 a las 02:36
I assume in this case it means first UK airing.
Contestado por Marr 🇳🇱
el 29 de marzo de 2017 a las 04:33
In my opinion, I think we should add local programming too. Just because it gets aired nation wide, or even world wide at some point, doesn't mean we should change the original network.
Contestado por lineker
el 29 de marzo de 2017 a las 06:07
I'm with you 100 percent, Marr!
Contestado por Marr 🇳🇱
el 29 de marzo de 2017 a las 06:11
Something to list/add/discuss in the contribution bible too
Contestado por Midi-chlorian_Count
el 29 de marzo de 2017 a las 06:18
Thanks guys - I was looking at some American series and they only have the original US networks listed, i.e. there's no "BBC One", "Channel 4", or whatever for the UK or the networks of any other countries for that matter.
So following that pattern the original air-date and network of "BBC One Scotland",without anything further, is correct...
Contestado por Midi-chlorian_Count
el 31 de marzo de 2017 a las 19:21
These BBC examples aren't really the same - you're talking about shows which were produced for and aired on the main UK network and excluded by certain regions. City lights was produced by BBC Scotland and only originally broadcast (i.e. had a first broadcast date) on "BBC One Scotland". Hopefully you can see the difference there.
However, if you were going to follow the example @alltimemarr gave in only listing the original network (as per the original air dates) then it sounds like Line if Duty should only have the "BBC One" network listed, as the Northern Ireland screening was subsequent - so you wouldn't list "BBC Two Northern Ireland" or "BBC Two" at all...
Contestado por Banana
el 31 de marzo de 2017 a las 19:33
I don't think we can compare it to local US stations.
If a Scottish series is broadcasted on a Scottish network, IMO it makes sense to add the local network. I think the different UK countries should be treated independently, like any other country (or Quebec), and only add more than one channel if it's a co-production (or in special cases).
Contestado por Midi-chlorian_Count
el 31 de marzo de 2017 a las 19:59
Well in that case it sounds like "BBC One" and "BBC Two Northern Ireland" is the correct listing in that case.
I understand that, and I'm sure there would be regional content that would match "City Lights", however the examples you gave (Line of Duty and Doctor Who) don't fit into that category - they were programmes produced for the main UK network.
Actually Dr Who is a great example - produced by BBC Wales, I believe, for the main UK "BBC One" network and aired in Wales at the same time as the rest of the UK. That is in stark contrast to City Lights which was produced by BBC Scotland specifically for "BBC One Scotland" and only picked up to be aired on the UK network at a later date.
Hopefully that shows the difference more clearly for you.
Contestado por Notamymerrick
el 31 de marzo de 2017 a las 21:44
All shows are produced in hopes that they will be aired by all regions as they make more money that way
Actually there are few shows which aren't, The BBC is different to PBS in this respect as there is a certain amount of content which is created specifically to cater for the licence payers in that country / region. I can’t imagine any show in welsh or Scottish Gaelic being shown on the national BBC one for example.
What you are talking about did used to happen with the ITV channels though.
Contestado por Notamymerrick
el 1 de abril de 2017 a las 02:00
Also off point slightly but apart from both being publicly funded, the BBC and PBS don't really have much in common.... The Australian ABC is much closer to the BBC.
The Netherlands is pretty similar to how to UK is made up. I'm wondering if there's anything comparable TV network wise in The Netherlands (Nederland 1 maybe?) if they do regional programming how is that listed on here?