Hi there,

Moderators cannot delete threads but they do have the ability to mark threads as spam which ultimately does delete them. If that's what happened here, yes, that is a clear abuse of power. Years ago, moderators could delete threads but I explicitly removed the ability for moderators to delete threads because of problems like this. I can't say what may, or may not have happened though.

Once the new account pages go live (should be end of this week) one of my next tasks is to look at the moderating/reporting of discussions since there's no real system in place for that. At that time, all of this will be fleshed out (like the idea of a soft delete, which wouldn't actually remove anything but simply hide the discussion).

With regards to the content issue, I don't have much knowledge about this one. What was the consensus with you and Lineker and Marr?

Strange. Only the user and Travis should be able to delete other user topics than their own. But maybe Paszt (David Haller) has that option as well. Another discussion regarding that moderator went missing today as well...

(Travis got there quicker and with a better answer. I'll let my reply stay anyhow.)

@travisbell

With regards to the content issue, I don't have much knowledge about this one. What was the consensus with you and Lineker and Marr?

Re the issue, we were discussing City Lights which was a BBC Scotland production. It only ever aired on "BBC One Scotland" and at a later date UK-Wide on the UK-Wide "BBC Two". You can see this looking at the air dates at the bottom of this page:- http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p01291wg i.e. BBC One Scotland: Oct '86, rest of UK, "national" main network BBC Two: July '87.

Marr had found a site (I can't remember which) that only listed the BBC Two network dates, as far as I remember, and I'd said that maybe his error was that the BBC page does just have the main UK-wide BBC One icon listed.

Really, I'd have been happy just to message him details the details and explain why listing "BBC One" was incorrect but was hoping that he'd see this and understand the difference between regional and UK BBC broadcasting and why there are separate dates and on different channels.

I really don't understand why though, having read the previous thread, he'd change it back and delete the thread...

Btw, I changed it back again, also removed BBC Two, as we don't support re-airings only network changes/re-naming (like listing ABC Family and Freeform for Pretty Little Liars). In most cases it will just be one network listed.

@alltimemarr said:

Btw, I changed it back again, also removed BBC Two, as we don't support re-airings only network changes/re-naming (like listing ABC Family and Freeform for Pretty Little Liars). In most cases it will just be one network listed.

Thanks @alltimemarr 👍Will watch out to see if that sticks - I was actually getting quite the bug for making edits until this happened but it kind of put me off...

I'm not sure re that "re-airing" thing - if you lived in England, BBC Two was the network for it's first airing. But if the standard here is just to list the original airing network in "country" of origin then you're right to remove BBC Two.

I guess it's a funny scenario given the Scotland's not quite really a country status!

I assume in this case it means first UK airing.

In my opinion, I think we should add local programming too. Just because it gets aired nation wide, or even world wide at some point, doesn't mean we should change the original network.

I'm with you 100 percent, Marr!

@lineker said:

I'm with you 100 percent, Marr!

Something to list/add/discuss in the contribution bible too

Thanks guys - I was looking at some American series and they only have the original US networks listed, i.e. there's no "BBC One", "Channel 4", or whatever for the UK or the networks of any other countries for that matter.

So following that pattern the original air-date and network of "BBC One Scotland",without anything further, is correct...

@Paszt said:

We haven't specified the regional variation for any other BBC show, but if this is the new rule then so be it. It get's pretty complex for shows like Line of Duty which was originally aired on BBC One in all the regions except Northern Ireland and for Northern Island it was BBC Two. So BBC Two would need to be removed and replaced with BBC Two Northern Ireland and BBC One removed and replaced with all the Regional Variations of BBC One if we follow this new rule.

Also Doctor Who 20005 was originally aired on BBC One in all regions except Cambridgeshire, Channel Islands, & Oxfordshire.

I suppose the same is true for a lot of PBS shows in America where we had been just listing PBS (Public Broadcasting Network) instead of the local station that aired it first such as WNET for the New York shows or WGBH for Boston, etc.

These BBC examples aren't really the same - you're talking about shows which were produced for and aired on the main UK network and excluded by certain regions. City lights was produced by BBC Scotland and only originally broadcast (i.e. had a first broadcast date) on "BBC One Scotland". Hopefully you can see the difference there.

However, if you were going to follow the example @alltimemarr gave in only listing the original network (as per the original air dates) then it sounds like Line if Duty should only have the "BBC One" network listed, as the Northern Ireland screening was subsequent - so you wouldn't list "BBC Two Northern Ireland" or "BBC Two" at all...

I don't think we can compare it to local US stations.

If a Scottish series is broadcasted on a Scottish network, IMO it makes sense to add the local network. I think the different UK countries should be treated independently, like any other country (or Quebec), and only add more than one channel if it's a co-production (or in special cases).

The Northern Ireland screening was the exact same date and time.

Well in that case it sounds like "BBC One" and "BBC Two Northern Ireland" is the correct listing in that case.

BBC also has production facilities in London and Wales and those facilities produce shows that are first aired in those regions and later in other regions

I understand that, and I'm sure there would be regional content that would match "City Lights", however the examples you gave (Line of Duty and Doctor Who) don't fit into that category - they were programmes produced for the main UK network.

Actually Dr Who is a great example - produced by BBC Wales, I believe, for the main UK "BBC One" network and aired in Wales at the same time as the rest of the UK. That is in stark contrast to City Lights which was produced by BBC Scotland specifically for "BBC One Scotland" and only picked up to be aired on the UK network at a later date.

Hopefully that shows the difference more clearly for you.

All shows are produced in hopes that they will be aired by all regions as they make more money that way

Actually there are few shows which aren't, The BBC is different to PBS in this respect as there is a certain amount of content which is created specifically to cater for the licence payers in that country / region. I can’t imagine any show in welsh or Scottish Gaelic being shown on the national BBC one for example.

What you are talking about did used to happen with the ITV channels though.

Also off point slightly but apart from both being publicly funded, the BBC and PBS don't really have much in common.... The Australian ABC is much closer to the BBC.

The Netherlands is pretty similar to how to UK is made up. I'm wondering if there's anything comparable TV network wise in The Netherlands (Nederland 1 maybe?) if they do regional programming how is that listed on here?