I ENJOYED THE ENTIRE CAST FROM THE FIRST.CAST WAST STRONG,SCRIPT SHOT EVERYONE IN THE FOOT.DEADSHOT WILL BE MISSED.

Well I mean hes doing so well playing a blue genie.

THAT GENIE IS SO GROSS.

Was hoping to bring the main 3 back..Harley, Dead Shot & Boomerang...looks like we'll be lucky JUST to have Harley at this point (no mention of Jai Courtney..and given HIS fanbase, I'd be surprised if he was even asked). I'm dissappointed, but I hope Gunn makes it all work somehow!

@jorgito2001 said:

Was hoping to bring the main 3 back..Harley, Dead Shot & Boomerang...looks like we'll be lucky JUST to have Harley at this point (no mention of Jai Courtney..and given HIS fanbase, I'd be surprised if he was even asked). I'm dissappointed, but I hope Gunn makes it all work somehow!

I saw some rumors floating around Margot may not return either. That hasn’t been confirmed, but if she were not to return that would be another big loss. She was my personal favorite character of the 1st movie.

From the looks of it Gunn may be looking to semi reboot the franchise with a practically new squad.

I'm not surprised Smith has walked away from this after the first crapfest.

@TheBayHarborButcher said:

@jorgito2001 said:

Was hoping to bring the main 3 back..Harley, Dead Shot & Boomerang...looks like we'll be lucky JUST to have Harley at this point (no mention of Jai Courtney..and given HIS fanbase, I'd be surprised if he was even asked). I'm dissappointed, but I hope Gunn makes it all work somehow!

I saw some rumors floating around Margot may not return either. That hasn’t been confirmed, but if she were not to return that would be another big loss. She was my personal favorite character of the 1st movie.

From the looks of it Gunn may be looking to semi reboot the franchise with a practically new squad.

I think she will return considering she is shooting Birds Of Prey right now and also signed up for Gotham City Sirens.

The movie has already improved a 100%.

During negotiations, don't the studios have the foresight to sign these actors to contracts that ensures their commitment to a sequel? It just seems reasonable to have that kind of insurance policy in place if you're making a big budget movie that has sequel potential.

@OddRob said:

Well I mean hes doing so well playing a blue genie.

• Suicide Squad (2016) (with Will Smith) ROI: Revenue/Budget = $745/$175M = $4.26
• Aladdin (2019) (with Will Smith as blue genie) ROI: Revenue/Budget = $1Bn / 183M = $5.72
• The Suicide Squad (2021) (without Will Smith) ROI: Revenue/Budget = $167M/$180M = $0.93

Yes, he is.

@DRDMovieMusings said:

@OddRob said:

Well I mean hes doing so well playing a blue genie.

• Suicide Squad (2016) (with Will Smith) ROI: Revenue/Budget = $745/$175M = $4.26
• Aladdin (2019) (with Will Smith as blue genie) ROI: Revenue/Budget = $1Bn / 183M = $5.72
• The Suicide Squad (2021) (without Will Smith) ROI: Revenue/Budget = $167M/$180M = $0.93

Yes, he is.

Ummm forgot to mention the day and day HBO Max and Covid impact.

@OddRob said:

@DRDMovieMusings said:

@OddRob said:

Well I mean hes doing so well playing a blue genie.

• Suicide Squad (2016) (with Will Smith) ROI: Revenue/Budget = $745/$175M = $4.26
• Aladdin (2019) (with Will Smith as blue genie) ROI: Revenue/Budget = $1Bn / 183M = $5.72
• The Suicide Squad (2021) (without Will Smith) ROI: Revenue/Budget = $167M/$180M = $0.93

Yes, he is.

Ummm forgot to mention the day and day HBO Max and Covid impact.

Good point. I didn't quite forget to mention those two factors. I'm still working on the numbers to better understand the weight of those factors.

For example, re: HBO Max, the numbers coming in on Black Widow, which Disney released theatrically and on their streaming platform (Disney+) concurrently, indicate that the streaming numbers did not anywhere near double their revenues (and there's a whole thread on the Black Widow page parsing the numbers). That's a small sample size, but simultaneous release is a new thing, so we need more time to see how the numbers are going to shape up.

And, re: covid, the data is matching the naked eye observations and assumptions, of course, covid has been a factor in theatrical box office sales. However, profitability is still happening with 2021 theatrical releases (Mortal Kombat paid $4.15, Halloween Kills paid $5.75, even Shyamalan's Old paid $4.90), so there's more to it than depressed revenues, there is still budget management (and, take a look at the budgets for these three movies, you'll see a trend, these respective producers are pretty sharp), which is always the case in every market, regardless the prevailing circumstances.

So, while the picture is not crystal clear yet, should we be willing to bet that The Suicide Squad could have been three times more profitable? I wouldn't, but, if it was, that'd still only be $2.79.

Meanwhile, Will Smith's King Richard is releasing in November. In my movie ROI database, the 24 movies with Will Smith in the cast have paid an average of $3.46, which is in the ball park with Humphrey Bogart (22 titles, paying $3.44) and Jack Nicholson (18 titles, paying $3.43). That's good company. For context, across the over 2300 movies in my database, from 1924 to present, the average ROI is $3.80 - so let's see how King Richard does.

PS. You can accuse me of being disingenuous! Those who suggested that The Suicide Squad was automatically "better" without Will Smith, or the comment that he's "doing so well playing a blue genie" need not necessarily be about ROI. I've somewhat steered (hijacked?) the conversation to money talk just because it's a little more objective, it's numbers, and I have no control over them, these movies all performed as they did, without any influence from me. So, I started stacking them up for the sake of the conversation. There are a lot of good movies that didn't pay well, and a lot of crappy movies that paid a crapton. ROI is only one measure of a movie's "success", from a business point of view; it is not the only, nor even the best, way to evaluate whether a movie is "good" or "bad."

Subjectively, sure, anyone can like or not like any actor they want. If you don't like Will Smith, you don't like Will Smith, that's just fine!

@GusGorman said:

I'm not surprised Smith has walked away from this after the first crapfest.

Seriously. Let's not forget what a complete POS that original SS movie was. That Joker was so bad.

@DRDMovieMusings said:

@OddRob said:

@DRDMovieMusings said:

@OddRob said:

Well I mean hes doing so well playing a blue genie.

• Suicide Squad (2016) (with Will Smith) ROI: Revenue/Budget = $745/$175M = $4.26
• Aladdin (2019) (with Will Smith as blue genie) ROI: Revenue/Budget = $1Bn / 183M = $5.72
• The Suicide Squad (2021) (without Will Smith) ROI: Revenue/Budget = $167M/$180M = $0.93

Yes, he is.

Ummm forgot to mention the day and day HBO Max and Covid impact.

Good point. I didn't quite forget to mention those two factors. I'm still working on the numbers to better understand the weight of those factors.

For example, re: HBO Max, the numbers coming in on Black Widow, which Disney released theatrically and on their streaming platform (Disney+) concurrently, indicate that the streaming numbers did not anywhere near double their revenues (and there's a whole thread on the Black Widow page parsing the numbers). That's a small sample size, but simultaneous release is a new thing, so we need more time to see how the numbers are going to shape up.

And, re: covid, the data is matching the naked eye observations and assumptions, of course, covid has been a factor in theatrical box office sales. However, profitability is still happening with 2021 theatrical releases (Mortal Kombat paid $4.15, Halloween Kills paid $5.75, even Shyamalan's Old paid $4.90), so there's more to it than depressed revenues, there is still budget management (and, take a look at the budgets for these three movies, you'll see a trend, these respective producers are pretty sharp), which is always the case in every market, regardless the prevailing circumstances.

So, while the picture is not crystal clear yet, should we be willing to bet that The Suicide Squad could have been three times more profitable? I wouldn't, but, if it was, that'd still only be $2.79.

Meanwhile, Will Smith's King Richard is releasing in November. In my movie ROI database, the 24 movies with Will Smith in the cast have paid an average of $3.46, which is in the ball park with Humphrey Bogart (22 titles, paying $3.44) and Jack Nicholson (18 titles, paying $3.43). That's good company. For context, across the over 2300 movies in my database, from 1924 to present, the average ROI is $3.80 - so let's see how King Richard does.

PS. You can accuse me of being disingenuous! Those who suggested that The Suicide Squad was automatically "better" without Will Smith, or the comment that he's "doing so well playing a blue genie" need not necessarily be about ROI. I've somewhat steered (hijacked?) the conversation to money talk just because it's a little more objective, it's numbers, and I have no control over them, these movies all performed as they did, without any influence from me. So, I started stacking them up for the sake of the conversation. There are a lot of good movies that didn't pay well, and a lot of crappy movies that paid a crapton. ROI is only one measure of a movie's "success", from a business point of view; it is not the only, nor even the best, way to evaluate whether a movie is "good" or "bad."

Subjectively, sure, anyone can like or not like any actor they want. If you don't like Will Smith, you don't like Will Smith, that's just fine!

Good logic/number crunching. We should also take into account that when SS came out it was the height of Superhero films. So people were foaming at the mouth when anything Marvel or DC hit the cinemas. I always find it hard to compare, when it comes to money, films from different years. So much goes into it. But honestly Smith is a pretty big name and still draws in fans. I wonder if they will bring him back for another film.

@TheBayHarborButcher said:

https://deadline.com/2019/02/suicide-squad-2-will-smith-not-returning-1202566772/

Looks like Will Smith won’t be returning for SS 2. Personally, I think this is a big loss for the franchise. He was great in the 1st movie.

That's bad news.