MY DAUGHTER AND I ENJOY THEM VERY MUCH.WE LIKES SPIDERVERSE.NOT AS MUCH AS THE MCU SPIDEY THOUGH.

Im just excited to see Venom and Spider-Man going at it. Course that wont happen for 3 to 4 years but still. I wonder if Tom will still be around for that.

Yeah, because Sony is well known for their daring and bold creative choices, like Men in Black International.

@autoexec.batman said:

Yeah, because Sony is well known for their daring and bold creative choices, like Men in Black International.

Well I heard Sony 'learned' all they could from Kevin Feige and the MCU and are ready to implement it into their own universe. Course we will see if they actually did or not in time.

Whether or not Sony's movies are any good is actually beside the point.

The point is that Spider-Man belongs in the MCU because he should be interacting with other Marvel characters. Spider-Man is big friends be with the Human Torch when the Fantastic Four are introduced into the MCU, Spider-Man should be there. In fact, the FF should be introduced in a Spider-Man movie. The same could be said about a 1000 other MCU characters set to be introduced in the next few years. No one wants to see yet another Spider-Man reboot. And yes, if Sony goes through with their plan, they will have to reboot, they cannot possibly make a sequel to Far From Home. And knowing them, it will be yet another origin film. And no one wants to go back to the bad old days where every Marvel character occupied a separate universe and they never interacted.

But that's neither here nor there anyway because I'm not convinced that this is anything more than a negotiating tactic anyway. The terms of the previous contract, a 95/5 split in favor of Sony are grossly unfair and Sony has to know that. This is the kind of deal that someone makes after Vito Corleone makes you "an offer you can't refuse", it can't possibly continue. Disney made an offer, and Sony immediately bolted without making a counteroffer. This is not the behavior if a rational corporation looking out for the bottom line. It's the reaction of a petulant teenager who has just been asked to mow the lawn. I strongly suspect that in a couple of months, they will return to to the bargaining table.

@autoexec.batman said:

Whether or not Sony's movies are any good is actually beside the point.

The point is that Spider-Man belongs in the MCU because he should be interacting with other Marvel characters. Spider-Man is big friends be with the Human Torch when the Fantastic Four are introduced into the MCU, Spider-Man should be there. In fact, the FF should be introduced in a Spider-Man movie. The same could be said about a 1000 other MCU characters set to be introduced in the next few years. No one wants to see yet another Spider-Man reboot. And yes, if Sony goes through with their plan, they will have to reboot, they cannot possibly make a sequel to Far From Home. And knowing them, it will be yet another origin film. And no one wants to go back to the bad old days where every Marvel character occupied a separate universe and they never interacted.

But that's neither here nor there anyway because I'm not convinced that this is anything more than a negotiating tactic anyway. The terms of the previous contract, a 95/5 split in favor of Sony are grossly unfair and Sony has to know that. This is the kind of deal that someone makes after Vito Corleone makes you "an offer you can't refuse", it can't possibly continue. Disney made an offer, and Sony immediately bolted without making a counteroffer. This is not the behavior if a rational corporation looking out for the bottom line. It's the reaction of a petulant teenager who has just been asked to mow the lawn. I strongly suspect that in a couple of months, they will return to to the bargaining table.

Rumors have it that Disney got greedy and wanted more. And Disney have yet to comment on the actual deal so no one really knows what the numbers showed. Anyway I think Sony wanted Spider-Man back thanks to the success of Venom. I think Tom is contracted to be in at least one more film and after that who knows. I hope he dosent try and get greedy either since Im sure Sony wouldnt really care if they have to reboot Spider-Man again.

F@#K SONY.

@OddRob said:

@autoexec.batman said:

Whether or not Sony's movies are any good is actually beside the point.

The point is that Spider-Man belongs in the MCU because he should be interacting with other Marvel characters. Spider-Man is big friends be with the Human Torch when the Fantastic Four are introduced into the MCU, Spider-Man should be there. In fact, the FF should be introduced in a Spider-Man movie. The same could be said about a 1000 other MCU characters set to be introduced in the next few years. No one wants to see yet another Spider-Man reboot. And yes, if Sony goes through with their plan, they will have to reboot, they cannot possibly make a sequel to Far From Home. And knowing them, it will be yet another origin film. And no one wants to go back to the bad old days where every Marvel character occupied a separate universe and they never interacted.

But that's neither here nor there anyway because I'm not convinced that this is anything more than a negotiating tactic anyway. The terms of the previous contract, a 95/5 split in favor of Sony are grossly unfair and Sony has to know that. This is the kind of deal that someone makes after Vito Corleone makes you "an offer you can't refuse", it can't possibly continue. Disney made an offer, and Sony immediately bolted without making a counteroffer. This is not the behavior if a rational corporation looking out for the bottom line. It's the reaction of a petulant teenager who has just been asked to mow the lawn. I strongly suspect that in a couple of months, they will return to to the bargaining table.

Rumors have it that Disney got greedy and wanted more.

The current deal is that Sony gets 95% and Disney gets 5%, THAT us greedy, but not on Disney's part. Disney suggested that they become equal partners, 50/50. 50/59 is not "greedy" it is fair and reasonable especially since the main reason Far From Home has been a big hit is that it is connected to the MCU and was heavily promoted to be a follow-up to Endgame. A non MCU Spidey is going to be a huge flop, therefore, it is entirely reasonable that the deal be more fair.

95/5 is just an absurd deal, it's the kind of deal one agrees to only after Vito Corleone makes you "an offer you can't refuse".

After suggesting 50/50, Sony didn't even make a counteroffer ('how about 70/30?' they just threw a big old temper tantrum. If they are serious, this is stupid and self destructive behavior.

In all seriousness, do you really WANT yet another Spider-Man reboot? You really want to create the 4th Spider-Man continuity in 20 years?

@autoexec.batman said:

@OddRob said:

@autoexec.batman said:

Whether or not Sony's movies are any good is actually beside the point.

The point is that Spider-Man belongs in the MCU because he should be interacting with other Marvel characters. Spider-Man is big friends be with the Human Torch when the Fantastic Four are introduced into the MCU, Spider-Man should be there. In fact, the FF should be introduced in a Spider-Man movie. The same could be said about a 1000 other MCU characters set to be introduced in the next few years. No one wants to see yet another Spider-Man reboot. And yes, if Sony goes through with their plan, they will have to reboot, they cannot possibly make a sequel to Far From Home. And knowing them, it will be yet another origin film. And no one wants to go back to the bad old days where every Marvel character occupied a separate universe and they never interacted.

But that's neither here nor there anyway because I'm not convinced that this is anything more than a negotiating tactic anyway. The terms of the previous contract, a 95/5 split in favor of Sony are grossly unfair and Sony has to know that. This is the kind of deal that someone makes after Vito Corleone makes you "an offer you can't refuse", it can't possibly continue. Disney made an offer, and Sony immediately bolted without making a counteroffer. This is not the behavior if a rational corporation looking out for the bottom line. It's the reaction of a petulant teenager who has just been asked to mow the lawn. I strongly suspect that in a couple of months, they will return to to the bargaining table.

Rumors have it that Disney got greedy and wanted more.

The current deal is that Sony gets 95% and Disney gets 5%, THAT us greedy, but not on Disney's part. Disney suggested that they become equal partners, 50/50. 50/59 is not "greedy" it is fair and reasonable. 95/5 is just an absurd deal, it's the kind of deal one agrees to only after Vito Corleone makes you "an offer you can't refuse". After suggesting 50/50, Sony didn't even make a counteroffer ('how about 70/30?' they just threw a big old temper tantrum.

In all seriousness, do you really WANT yet another Spider-Man reboot?

You forgot to mention that Disney gets 100% of the merchandise! Sony sees nothing. So Disney wanting more of the film profits IS greedy as hell. Its Disney, they have plenty of money. They souldnt have played hardball. Honestly, Sony probably wasnt going to agree to any deal since they want their own universe.

@OddRob said:

@autoexec.batman said:

@OddRob said:

@autoexec.batman said:

Whether or not Sony's movies are any good is actually beside the point.

The point is that Spider-Man belongs in the MCU because he should be interacting with other Marvel characters. Spider-Man is big friends be with the Human Torch when the Fantastic Four are introduced into the MCU, Spider-Man should be there. In fact, the FF should be introduced in a Spider-Man movie. The same could be said about a 1000 other MCU characters set to be introduced in the next few years. No one wants to see yet another Spider-Man reboot. And yes, if Sony goes through with their plan, they will have to reboot, they cannot possibly make a sequel to Far From Home. And knowing them, it will be yet another origin film. And no one wants to go back to the bad old days where every Marvel character occupied a separate universe and they never interacted.

But that's neither here nor there anyway because I'm not convinced that this is anything more than a negotiating tactic anyway. The terms of the previous contract, a 95/5 split in favor of Sony are grossly unfair and Sony has to know that. This is the kind of deal that someone makes after Vito Corleone makes you "an offer you can't refuse", it can't possibly continue. Disney made an offer, and Sony immediately bolted without making a counteroffer. This is not the behavior if a rational corporation looking out for the bottom line. It's the reaction of a petulant teenager who has just been asked to mow the lawn. I strongly suspect that in a couple of months, they will return to to the bargaining table.

Rumors have it that Disney got greedy and wanted more.

The current deal is that Sony gets 95% and Disney gets 5%, THAT us greedy, but not on Disney's part. Disney suggested that they become equal partners, 50/50. 50/59 is not "greedy" it is fair and reasonable. 95/5 is just an absurd deal, it's the kind of deal one agrees to only after Vito Corleone makes you "an offer you can't refuse". After suggesting 50/50, Sony didn't even make a counteroffer ('how about 70/30?' they just threw a big old temper tantrum.

In all seriousness, do you really WANT yet another Spider-Man reboot?

You forgot to mention that Disney gets 100% of the merchandise! Sony sees nothing. So Disney wanting more of the film profits IS greedy as hell. Its Disney, they have plenty of money. They souldnt have played hardball. Honestly, Sony probably wasnt going to agree to any deal since they want their own universe.

Merchandising is nothing, its like maybe $5-$10 million at most. It's nothing compared to the box office.

It's absurd that Sony seriously thinks they. deserve the full box office receipts for a movie for which they contribute NOTHING Disney pays for the production, writes the screeplay, casts the characters, pays for the marketing and the distribution, slaps a Sony Pictures logo on it and in exchange Sony gets all the money? You can't seriously think that is a reasonable deal. Disney agreed to it only out of desperation because they wanted Spider-Man in the MCU.

The MCU will do fine without Spider-Man, phase 4 is going cosmic, Spider-Man barely fits into their plans anyway. But Sony NEEDS the MCU, otherwise, the next Spider-Man film will be a bigger flop than "Amazing Spider-Man 2"

@autoexec.batman said:

No one wants to see yet another Spider-Man reboot. And yes, if Sony goes through with their plan, they will have to reboot, they cannot possibly make a sequel to Far From Home. And knowing them, it will be yet another origin film. >And no one wants to go back to the bad old days where every Marvel character occupied a separate universe and they never interacted.

Untrue..Sony can ABSOLUTELY pick up where Far From Home left off...they'd just be forced to leave out all mentions of Iron Man, (fake) Nick Fury, the Avengers or even 'Avengers level threat' or ANYTHING related to the MCU..and like the OP said, FINE BY ME. Sick of this whole Iron Man Jr bulls***

@Damienracer said:

I didn't know selling toys was so lucrative.

Absolutely, and its not just toys, its ALL merchandising (clothing, shoes, lunchboxes..anything with Spider-man on it goes straight to Disney's pockets at 100%)

@autoexec.batman said:

The current deal is that Sony gets 95% and Disney gets 5%, THAT us greedy, but not on Disney's part. Disney suggested that they become equal partners, 50/50.

Hmm..if YOU fork over** 100%** of building a mansion (contractors, building materials), but I gave you the blueprint for it and your clients LOVE it...you ready to fork over 50% of those profits or does 5% sound a little more reasonable?! Gimme a break and be REAL!

@VHS-VANDAL said:

F@#K SONY.

Nah, F**K DISNEY...and F@#k you too if you feel the rich should get richer because you're a Mickey Mouse fanboy!

@autoexec.batman said:

@OddRob said:

@autoexec.batman said:

@OddRob said:

@autoexec.batman said:

Whether or not Sony's movies are any good is actually beside the point.

The point is that Spider-Man belongs in the MCU because he should be interacting with other Marvel characters. Spider-Man is big friends be with the Human Torch when the Fantastic Four are introduced into the MCU, Spider-Man should be there. In fact, the FF should be introduced in a Spider-Man movie. The same could be said about a 1000 other MCU characters set to be introduced in the next few years. No one wants to see yet another Spider-Man reboot. And yes, if Sony goes through with their plan, they will have to reboot, they cannot possibly make a sequel to Far From Home. And knowing them, it will be yet another origin film. And no one wants to go back to the bad old days where every Marvel character occupied a separate universe and they never interacted.

But that's neither here nor there anyway because I'm not convinced that this is anything more than a negotiating tactic anyway. The terms of the previous contract, a 95/5 split in favor of Sony are grossly unfair and Sony has to know that. This is the kind of deal that someone makes after Vito Corleone makes you "an offer you can't refuse", it can't possibly continue. Disney made an offer, and Sony immediately bolted without making a counteroffer. This is not the behavior if a rational corporation looking out for the bottom line. It's the reaction of a petulant teenager who has just been asked to mow the lawn. I strongly suspect that in a couple of months, they will return to to the bargaining table.

Rumors have it that Disney got greedy and wanted more.

The current deal is that Sony gets 95% and Disney gets 5%, THAT us greedy, but not on Disney's part. Disney suggested that they become equal partners, 50/50. 50/59 is not "greedy" it is fair and reasonable. 95/5 is just an absurd deal, it's the kind of deal one agrees to only after Vito Corleone makes you "an offer you can't refuse". After suggesting 50/50, Sony didn't even make a counteroffer ('how about 70/30?' they just threw a big old temper tantrum.

In all seriousness, do you really WANT yet another Spider-Man reboot?

You forgot to mention that Disney gets 100% of the merchandise! Sony sees nothing. So Disney wanting more of the film profits IS greedy as hell. Its Disney, they have plenty of money. They souldnt have played hardball. Honestly, Sony probably wasnt going to agree to any deal since they want their own universe.

Merchandising is nothing, its like maybe $5-$10 million at most. It's nothing compared to the box office.

It's absurd that Sony seriously thinks they. deserve the full box office receipts for a movie for which they contribute NOTHING Disney pays for the production, writes the screeplay, casts the characters, pays for the marketing and the distribution, slaps a Sony Pictures logo on it and in exchange Sony gets all the money? You can't seriously think that is a reasonable deal. Disney agreed to it only out of desperation because they wanted Spider-Man in the MCU.

The MCU will do fine without Spider-Man, phase 4 is going cosmic, Spider-Man barely fits into their plans anyway. But Sony NEEDS the MCU, otherwise, the next Spider-Man film will be a bigger flop than "Amazing Spider-Man 2"

Originally it was reported that Sony offered 70/30 co financing split, but it wasnt good enough for Disney. They wanted 50/50 which would mean Sony would lose creative control. Than it was updated with Disney asked for 5% cut to increase to 25%. So a 75/25 split. Sony didnt counter it or negotiated for another deal. Sony led them on for six months and then made them look stupid. Sony knew for awhile they wanted Spider-Man back and were def not going to let him stay in the MCU. Cut throat business for sure. But I mean Spider-Man will be fine with Sony. The MCU will be just fine without Spider-Man, like you said they are cosmic and lets not forget woke as fuck with A-Force and X-People!

F@#K SONY...THEY WILL DEADEND SPIDERMAN.VENOM WAS THERE BEST WORK AND IT WAS ONLY HALF GOOD.THEY SUCK AT THIS STUFF,MY DAUGHTER AND I LOVE THE MCU AND THE MCU SPIDERMAN.HOLLAND IS GREAT.THIS WHOLE THING IS GARBAGE.

I don't even understand how Sony can follow up on that last movie. The whole "Mysterio unmasks Peter" can't really be unraveled from the MCU stuff in any realistic way. Are they just going to forget the last movie and try for a Homecoming sequel (sans Tony Stark, etc)? It's either that or come up with a Sinister Six movie where Peter and Venom team up.

Nothing to see here... Move along...

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