@Gus Gorman said:

I think we can.

Empire, New Hope, Rogue.

No, but I would give it the #4 spot:

1) Empire Strikes Back 2) Star Wars (A New Hope) 3) Return of the Jedi 4) Rogue One

But that's just me:)

@northcoast said:

No, but I would give it the #4 spot:

1) Empire Strikes Back 2) Star Wars (A New Hope) 3) Return of the Jedi 4) Rogue One

But that's just me:)

Jedi is a close tie with Rogue One for me, but the first half at Jabbas palace drags a bit... Again, just me!!

Already done:-
https://www.themoviedb.org/movie/181808-star-wars-the-last-jedi/discuss/5a450b1a0e0a2620e90835d5

And no, we didn't...

@bluersun said:

@northcoast said:

No, but I would give it the #4 spot:

1) Empire Strikes Back 2) Star Wars (A New Hope) 3) Return of the Jedi 4) Rogue One

But that's just me:)

Jedi is a close tie with Rogue One for me, but the first half at Jabbas palace drags a bit... Again, just me!!

I would put Sith after Return and then I would put Solo and then Rogue One. I couldn't even finish Rogue One to be honest. It was so boring.

movie_nazi said:

"I couldn't even finish Rogue One to be honest. It was so boring."

Huh. Hmmm. Well . . .

I think you're the first person I've heard imply that maybe the last half of the movie dragged out too much. I agree Rogue One was overlong, but I would say it should be about 20 minutes in the first half of the film that needed to be chopped out (mainly the scenes with Forest Whitaker, who I greatly like as an actor but whose scenes in this film I found largely unnecessary).

To be fair-- especially after George's tampering with the re-releases of Episodes I - VI --all of the Star Wars films were too long, with the possible exception of Episode IV ("A New Hope"), which was a short movie to begin with. I don't mind long films (which for me means anything greater than approximately 120 minutes), but if you're going to make a movie that pushes two and a half hours or more, you've really got to bring it. And for me much of the "added" material to the Star Wars films was merely extraneous. Even the original Return of the Jedi could have been cut down quite a bit (freaking Ewoks!).

But for me, Rogue One was very much a dark film, in the league of Empire Strikes Back. Jyn Erso was a believable character, vulnerable and someone who needed help to accomplish her goals, unlike Rey, who often seemed downright invincible. Erso was also quite subversive for Star Wars, if you think about it. She never gave a damn for either the Empire or the Rebellion, and was only in it to save/vindicate her father. Had she somehow survived the destruction at the end of Rogue One, I think she would've made a special trip to Rebel Headquarters, tracked down Mon Mothma, and punched her square in the face (or worse) for TWICE allowing assassination attempts against her father (the second attempt, with the X-Wing strike, ultimately successful in killing her Dad).

For the Star Wars universe at least, I thought Rogue One was a very mature film.

(But that's just my opinion, and you are certainly entitled to yours:))

Empire, New Hope, Rogue One. I agree! I’m amused by the Holiday Special. I prefer it to the Sequel Trilogy by Disney (STD for short), even though STD is not done yet. At least the Holiday Special, mindtrip though it may be, didn’t take itself seriously, the main stars were reunited onscreen, and it was fun in a bizarre way.

@northcoast said:

movie_nazi said:

"I couldn't even finish Rogue One to be honest. It was so boring."

Huh. Hmmm. Well . . .

I think you're the first person I've heard imply that maybe the last half of the movie dragged out too much. I agree Rogue One was overlong, but I would say it should be about 20 minutes in the first half of the film that needed to be chopped out (mainly the scenes with Forest Whitaker, who I greatly like as an actor but whose scenes in this film I found largely unnecessary).

To be fair-- especially after George's tampering with the re-releases of Episodes I - VI --all of the Star Wars films were too long, with the possible exception of Episode IV ("A New Hope"), which was a short movie to begin with. I don't mind long films (which for me means anything greater than approximately 120 minutes), but if you're going to make a movie that pushes two and a half hours or more, you've really got to bring it. And for me much of the "added" material to the Star Wars films was merely extraneous. Even the original Return of the Jedi could have been cut down quite a bit (freaking Ewoks!).

But for me, Rogue One was very much a dark film, in the league of Empire Strikes Back. Jyn Erso was a believable character, vulnerable and someone who needed help to accomplish her goals, unlike Rey, who often seemed downright invincible. Erso was also quite subversive for Star Wars, if you think about it. She never gave a damn for either the Empire or the Rebellion, and was only in it to save/vindicate her father. Had she somehow survived the destruction at the end of Rogue One, I think she would've made a special trip to Rebel Headquarters, tracked down Mon Mothma, and punched her square in the face (or worse) for TWICE allowing assassination attempts against her father (the second attempt, with the X-Wing strike, ultimately successful in killing her Dad).

For the Star Wars universe at least, I thought Rogue One was a very mature film.

(But that's just my opinion, and you are certainly entitled to yours:))

Actually I quit it in the first half. THAT was the boring part. I got kinda frustrated with all the stupid nods to the original film like blue milk and butt face and "you'll be dead" man. I should go back and watch it. Also kinda kills the suspense when you know they all end up dead. The entire film is a nod to a line Mon mothma says in ROTJ. I will give Rogue One credit in the fact that at least the story was original. The new trilogy is pure rehashed garbage.

Rogue One is a total abomination which spits on the graves of both AOTC's insect Death Star creator guys and Darth Vader's beamed abroad rebel plans. The worst kind of fan fiction which doesn't even bother making the slightest effort to fit in with either the OT or PT.

Can we all agree

Many might, but certainly not all will agree. I do not. The movie fails to maintain canon plot points. That alone is enough for me to place it well below the original trilogy.

@movie_nazi said:

@northcoast said:

movie_nazi said:

"I couldn't even finish Rogue One to be honest. It was so boring."

Huh. Hmmm. Well . . .

I think you're the first person I've heard imply that maybe the last half of the movie dragged out too much. I agree Rogue One was overlong, but I would say it should be about 20 minutes in the first half of the film that needed to be chopped out (mainly the scenes with Forest Whitaker, who I greatly like as an actor but whose scenes in this film I found largely unnecessary).

To be fair-- especially after George's tampering with the re-releases of Episodes I - VI --all of the Star Wars films were too long, with the possible exception of Episode IV ("A New Hope"), which was a short movie to begin with. I don't mind long films (which for me means anything greater than approximately 120 minutes), but if you're going to make a movie that pushes two and a half hours or more, you've really got to bring it. And for me much of the "added" material to the Star Wars films was merely extraneous. Even the original Return of the Jedi could have been cut down quite a bit (freaking Ewoks!).

But for me, Rogue One was very much a dark film, in the league of Empire Strikes Back. Jyn Erso was a believable character, vulnerable and someone who needed help to accomplish her goals, unlike Rey, who often seemed downright invincible. Erso was also quite subversive for Star Wars, if you think about it. She never gave a damn for either the Empire or the Rebellion, and was only in it to save/vindicate her father. Had she somehow survived the destruction at the end of Rogue One, I think she would've made a special trip to Rebel Headquarters, tracked down Mon Mothma, and punched her square in the face (or worse) for TWICE allowing assassination attempts against her father (the second attempt, with the X-Wing strike, ultimately successful in killing her Dad).

For the Star Wars universe at least, I thought Rogue One was a very mature film.

(But that's just my opinion, and you are certainly entitled to yours:))

The entire film is a nod to a line Mon mothma says in ROTJ.

That was the Bothans, dude.

Different Death Star.

@Gus Gorman said:

@movie_nazi said:

@northcoast said:

movie_nazi said:

"I couldn't even finish Rogue One to be honest. It was so boring."

Huh. Hmmm. Well . . .

I think you're the first person I've heard imply that maybe the last half of the movie dragged out too much. I agree Rogue One was overlong, but I would say it should be about 20 minutes in the first half of the film that needed to be chopped out (mainly the scenes with Forest Whitaker, who I greatly like as an actor but whose scenes in this film I found largely unnecessary).

To be fair-- especially after George's tampering with the re-releases of Episodes I - VI --all of the Star Wars films were too long, with the possible exception of Episode IV ("A New Hope"), which was a short movie to begin with. I don't mind long films (which for me means anything greater than approximately 120 minutes), but if you're going to make a movie that pushes two and a half hours or more, you've really got to bring it. And for me much of the "added" material to the Star Wars films was merely extraneous. Even the original Return of the Jedi could have been cut down quite a bit (freaking Ewoks!).

But for me, Rogue One was very much a dark film, in the league of Empire Strikes Back. Jyn Erso was a believable character, vulnerable and someone who needed help to accomplish her goals, unlike Rey, who often seemed downright invincible. Erso was also quite subversive for Star Wars, if you think about it. She never gave a damn for either the Empire or the Rebellion, and was only in it to save/vindicate her father. Had she somehow survived the destruction at the end of Rogue One, I think she would've made a special trip to Rebel Headquarters, tracked down Mon Mothma, and punched her square in the face (or worse) for TWICE allowing assassination attempts against her father (the second attempt, with the X-Wing strike, ultimately successful in killing her Dad).

For the Star Wars universe at least, I thought Rogue One was a very mature film.

(But that's just my opinion, and you are certainly entitled to yours:))

The entire film is a nod to a line Mon mothma says in ROTJ.

That was the Bothans, dude.

Different Death Star.

Yep, you're right. My bad.

I'm fairly relaxed about canon and intentionally avoided all of the second trilogy to this day; but I saw this one got a decent write up so gave it a shot. As a standalone, it was a decent enough film. Reasonable action and generally coherent (for casual viewers) in tying things into A New Hope.

A couple of the characters had interesting aspects, but I think there were way too many characters, making it impossible to give the time to develop any connection to almost all of them. Or even catch their names. Then to have the prolonged ending showing each of their deaths in detail, like I had grown fond on them having been through this journey with them. Cut out the blind man and his buddy and make DeForest Whittaker fulfill all their roles as one character and it would have been a cleaner and less hurried tale.

Absolutely not a patch on ANH or RotJ in my book (inferior in score, action, characters and pacing), but much better than that rubbish one with an old Solo in it that I was coerced into watching. I don't feel like I need a shower after watching it, which elevates it above one of those new Star Trek films I watched (with Spock doing martial arts or something on the back of a flying machine) shudders at the memory

In a world of unnecessary, nostalgia laden reworked guff determined to keep franchised universes alive, this was near the pinnacle of what appears to be possible these days.

5/10

NO