@Tectash said:

Well we have just have to wait and see. With Matt Reeves in the director's chair I feel confident. Let me in, dawn of the planet of the apes, and war for the planet of the apes are terrific films. Keaton when casted got fan outcry, so did Ledger as the Joker. They turned out to be rather good choices for their roles. Could I be wrong sure but I'm optimistic. I'm a huge Batman fan. Unfortunately there hasn't been a good live action Batman film since the Nolan era. Bvs and justice league were so lackluster in my book.

I agree. Lackluster is a good word to describe them. I haven't watched either of those films since when they were in the theaters. I thought Affleck was a terrible Batman as well.

I will be honest I knew that BVS was going to be a dud from the get go. There were several red flags for me. Keep in mind I saw BVS at midnight for free and still felt ripped off...

Red flag number 1: I am not a fan of the director. Zack Snyder has a few films and is visually not bad but when it comes to narratives his movies always fall flat for me. His best films were 300 and Watchmen. Even with those though I am not crazy about them. They are visual flair and I do not find the narrative that engaging. Anyway he had just done Man of Steel which yeah not a fan of it. It was so derivative and cliche with an awful script to boot. Man of Steel was Superman the movie, Superman 2, and Batman Begins chopped into a blender simply remove Lex Luthor. It recycles beats Donner did rather than going into new areas with the character. Bland film. So then once I heard he was doing BVS I simply facepalmed.

Red flag number 2: It was obvious producer meddling was going to form this film which is exactly the flaw with Man of Steel. This had it even worse though. With Man of Steel you could tell the WB execs met in a room and were like okay we need this Superman movie to look and feel like TDK trilogy because you know that is our cash cow. Well dark, gritty and realistic does not suit Superman. It works for Batman because Batman is dark and brooding. Anyway with BVS you can tell the execs went dude did you see how much Avengers made? Have Superman and Batman team up it will rake in the cash. Wanting all the benefits of the money Marvel was making with their heroes without putting in any of the work the MCU did by actually taking time to develop their characters before cramming them in. Nice going there WB! The problem with making Superman dark and brooding is now there is no contrast between him and Batman. Now you have two brooding dull heroes fighting against each other. See with Captain America vs Iron Man they have different personalities which is why it makes their clash interesting. Not to mention in terms of powers and skills they are matched up closely. It is not one sided one way or the other therefore it makes the outcome feel suspenseful because the scale of powers and abilities is not one sided.

Red Flag number 3: The casting. I have never been huge on Ben Affleck as an actor. I do not hate him but he is just not really my jam as far as actors I truly enjoy. He has done some good films such as Gone Girl, The Town, and a few more but I think he is a better director than actor. Anyway I thought putting Batman back on the screen so quick after TDK trilogy was a bad idea. Batman needed to rest longer or else you suffer from saturation and overexposure. Anyway then Jesse Eisenberg as Lex Luthor. I thought for that dark brooding tone they were going for this just stuck out like a sore thumb. I think he has some good roles but it clashed to me with this dark grim brooding universe they had setup. Not the actors fault but boy what a dud.

Red Flag number 4: I always thought Batman fighting Superman was a lame concept to begin with. As I pointed out earlier I like a fairly even fight. Even if one opponent has the upper hand it is neat to see an outcome that could be anybody's game. In order for Batman to have a chance you know there has to be kryptonite involved. Sorry soap box I am done.

The reason I am optimistic for Matt Reeves Batman are these reasons.

Reason 1: I really love Matt Reeves work so far. I thought Let Me in, Dawn of the Planet of the Apes and War for the Planet of the apes were not only visually stunning but had an engaging narrative. I feel he balances visuals with narrative and that is important for Batman.

Reason 2: He does dark and brooding very well. Ceasar was such a dark brooding character and Reeves did him so very well. This is what you need for Batman. He also does villains well, Koba was a good villain in Dawn as was Woody Harrelson in War.

Reason 3: The casting. So far I am pleased with all the selections that have been chosen. I know some people are skeptical but I love Pattinson as the choice for Batman. It is unexpected and not so producer driven. It seems like Reeves is going off of talent rather than how bankable they are as an actor. Catwoman being there from the start as I have stated earlier is what I have always wanted. I like both Hathaway and Pfeiffer. The bummer was we only got them one time in each franchise. Catwoman is supposed to be a recurring character who has gray areas. This gives us a chance to really flesh her out as a character on her own and flesh out her relationship with Batman. Kravitz has a great look for Selina Kyle/Catwoman. I love her hair and think we will get a Catwoman similar to the style in the Arkham video games series which is awesome. Serkis as Alfred great, Paul Dano as Riddler great, Farrel as Penguin is a bit odd but I like that it is unexpected again. Jeffrey Wright I think will do good as Gordon.

Reason 4: I am glad we are going back to a young Batman. I am tired of old Batman in live action for the love of Pete! We got old Batman in The Dark Knight Rises, BVS and Justice League. Now TDKR is clearly a better film than either of those films but point is I have seen enough old Batman!

Reason 5: No tie ins, crossovers, origin and creative freedom. It looks like they are allowing Reeves creative freedom. This is important. Films like Batman 1989, Batman Returns, Batman Begins TDK, TDKR are made because of creative freedom and letting a good artist do their job. When you producer meddle you get films like Batman Forever, Batman & Robin, BVS and Justice League. Even though I have flaws with both Burton's Batman and Nolan's their films are leagues ahead of anything in the films I listed. Also no crossovers. I do not want to see crossovers anymore! The MCU did it now stop! The team up thing has lost it's appeal to me. Look I enjoyed what the MCU did but I got tired of it feeling like a side scroller beatem up against the next cgi army rather than a deep engaging story. I am cool with Robin and Batgirl but I only want Batman stuff in this new series period.

Reason 6: I think we will get a bit more of a stylized Batman this time. Look I love Nolan's Batman even though I can acknowledge flaws. The realistic thing was well done but I am ready for more of an immersive fantasy Batman film. It looks like he is taking cues from the animated series from the 90's which in my book captured every aspect of Batman better than any version even though it is animated. Anyhow that is my two cents guys. I just love Batman and want a good film here is to hoping.

@movie_nazi said:

Exactly. In fact, the entire cast are good actors I am just not so sure they will be a good fit for those roles. I could be proven wrong though!

Yeah, Colin Farell gets a lot of flak but I actually like him. He was great in In Bruges.

@Tectash said:

Keaton when casted got fan outcry, so did Ledger as the Joker.

The Heath Ledger outcry is actually a myth that arose a while afterwards in order to tell an interesting story. This sort of narrative changing happens a lot and is just part of media sensationalizing. But Ledger's casting was actually hugely loved right from the start. At that point he had taken a much celebrated turn into more respectable acting and was hot off Brokeback Mountain. I remember me and my friends going mental when we first heard the casting and were hugely anticipating seeing his Joker 2 years before the film came out and talked about it constantly. Film magazines and the media were going crazy for it and there was a highly successful, incredibly innovative and well known marketing campaign implemented in those 2 years that centered around the mystery of his Joker and his anarchism.

I remember leading up to the films release I saw people in nightclubs with awesome Heath Ledger Joker make up on the dancefloor (and that was before he died). His casting provoked a phenomenon that I've never seen before or since so it is very strange to hear the story of how his initial casting was badly received because it so wasn't.

With Keaton I would have been too young to be aware at the time but seen as he was seen as a comedian rather than an actor before Batman I can totally see that being true. But yes, Keaton did prove everyone wrong and maybe Pattinson will too.

@JustinJackFlash said:

@movie_nazi said:

Exactly. In fact, the entire cast are good actors I am just not so sure they will be a good fit for those roles. I could be proven wrong though!

Yeah, Colin Farell gets a lot of flak but I actually like him. He was great in In Bruges.

@Tectash said:

Keaton when casted got fan outcry, so did Ledger as the Joker.

The Heath Ledger outcry is actually a myth that arose a while afterwards in order to tell an interesting story. This sort of narrative changing happens a lot and is just part of media sensationalizing. But Ledger's casting was actually hugely loved right from the start. At that point he had taken a much celebrated turn into more respectable acting and was hot off Brokeback Mountain. I remember me and my friends going mental when we first heard the casting and were hugely anticipating seeing his Joker 2 years before the film came out and talked about it constantly. Film magazines and the media were going crazy for it and there was a highly successful, incredibly innovative and well known marketing campaign implemented in those 2 years that centered around the mystery of his Joker and his anarchism.

I remember leading up to the films release I saw people in nightclubs with awesome Heath Ledger Joker make up on the dancefloor (and that was before he died). His casting provoked a phenomenon that I've never seen before or since so it is very strange to hear the story of how his initial casting was badly received because it so wasn't.

With Keaton I would have been too young to be aware at the time but seen as he was seen as a comedian rather than an actor before Batman I can totally see that being true. But yes, Keaton did prove everyone wrong and maybe Pattinson will too.

I was in high school when Keaton's Batman came out and I can attest that most people thought it was a bad choice, myself included, simply from a superficial perspective. How could a balding, dad-bod, schlumpy dude ever be the badass that Bruce Wayne is? Impossible! But I will admit he turned to be alright even though I am not a fan of Burton's Batman films.

@JustinJackFlash said:

@Tectash said:

I actually do like his work on the Apes films. I am not too crazy about the cast for his Batman movie though. Pattison as Batman? I don't see it. I also see they got Serkis as Alfred. Are they going to CGI Alfred? LOL

Pattinson is actually a good actor. I wasn't keen on him at first either but check out good time and the Lighthouse. He is truly great in those films. I like it because it's not such a safe producer sellout choice. Which shows me Reeves saw something in him.

I don't think anyone is disputing that Pattison isn't a very good actor. Just that he's miscast.

Physically Pattinson isn't "miscast". He's just lazy. When I go by casting I must first of all judge the physicality of the actor to the role they've been cast in and to be honest Robert is no different to his previous Batman predecessors if he can work out even just a little bit he'll be fine.

@movie_nazi said:

@JustinJackFlash said:

@movie_nazi said:

Exactly. In fact, the entire cast are good actors I am just not so sure they will be a good fit for those roles. I could be proven wrong though!

Yeah, Colin Farell gets a lot of flak but I actually like him. He was great in In Bruges.

@Tectash said:

Keaton when casted got fan outcry, so did Ledger as the Joker.

The Heath Ledger outcry is actually a myth that arose a while afterwards in order to tell an interesting story. This sort of narrative changing happens a lot and is just part of media sensationalizing. But Ledger's casting was actually hugely loved right from the start. At that point he had taken a much celebrated turn into more respectable acting and was hot off Brokeback Mountain. I remember me and my friends going mental when we first heard the casting and were hugely anticipating seeing his Joker 2 years before the film came out and talked about it constantly. Film magazines and the media were going crazy for it and there was a highly successful, incredibly innovative and well known marketing campaign implemented in those 2 years that centered around the mystery of his Joker and his anarchism.

I remember leading up to the films release I saw people in nightclubs with awesome Heath Ledger Joker make up on the dancefloor (and that was before he died). His casting provoked a phenomenon that I've never seen before or since so it is very strange to hear the story of how his initial casting was badly received because it so wasn't.

With Keaton I would have been too young to be aware at the time but seen as he was seen as a comedian rather than an actor before Batman I can totally see that being true. But yes, Keaton did prove everyone wrong and maybe Pattinson will too.

I was in high school when Keaton's Batman came out and I can attest that most people thought it was a bad choice, myself included, simply from a superficial perspective. How could a balding, dad-bod, schlumpy dude ever be the badass that Bruce Wayne is? Impossible! But I will admit he turned to be alright even though I am not a fan of Burton's Batman films.

Yeah, I can see that. But in comparing Keaton to Pattinson, Keaton does kind of have an edgy vibe to him. His face does make him look a bit wild and although that doesn't make him look like Bruce Wayne, it does make him an interesting and unique choice. I can see the reasoning behind it. Pattinson has a girly face. And I just don't see that as Bruce Wayne in any way. It's a similar issue as casting Val Kilmer as Batman. Both just feel totally wrong no matter how good an actor they may be.

@JustinJackFlash said:

Yeah, I can see that. But in comparing Keaton to Pattinson, Keaton does kind of have an edgy vibe to him. His face does make him look a bit wild and although that doesn't make him look like Bruce Wayne, it does make him an interesting and unique choice. I can see the reasoning behind it. Pattinson has a girly face. And I just don't see that as Bruce Wayne in any way. It's a similar issue as casting Val Kilmer as Batman. Both just feel totally wrong no matter how good an actor they may be.

Bingo! Nailed it! That's exactly right. Although Kilmer is not as bad of a choice as Pattinson. Pattinson just seems too soft for the role. If he bulks up it might not be too bad.

@Damienracer said:

@JustinJackFlash said:

@movie_nazi said:

@JustinJackFlash said:

@movie_nazi said:

Exactly. In fact, the entire cast are good actors I am just not so sure they will be a good fit for those roles. I could be proven wrong though!

Yeah, Colin Farell gets a lot of flak but I actually like him. He was great in In Bruges.

@Tectash said:

Keaton when casted got fan outcry, so did Ledger as the Joker.

The Heath Ledger outcry is actually a myth that arose a while afterwards in order to tell an interesting story. This sort of narrative changing happens a lot and is just part of media sensationalizing. But Ledger's casting was actually hugely loved right from the start. At that point he had taken a much celebrated turn into more respectable acting and was hot off Brokeback Mountain. I remember me and my friends going mental when we first heard the casting and were hugely anticipating seeing his Joker 2 years before the film came out and talked about it constantly. Film magazines and the media were going crazy for it and there was a highly successful, incredibly innovative and well known marketing campaign implemented in those 2 years that centered around the mystery of his Joker and his anarchism.

I remember leading up to the films release I saw people in nightclubs with awesome Heath Ledger Joker make up on the dancefloor (and that was before he died). His casting provoked a phenomenon that I've never seen before or since so it is very strange to hear the story of how his initial casting was badly received because it so wasn't.

With Keaton I would have been too young to be aware at the time but seen as he was seen as a comedian rather than an actor before Batman I can totally see that being true. But yes, Keaton did prove everyone wrong and maybe Pattinson will too.

I was in high school when Keaton's Batman came out and I can attest that most people thought it was a bad choice, myself included, simply from a superficial perspective. How could a balding, dad-bod, schlumpy dude ever be the badass that Bruce Wayne is? Impossible! But I will admit he turned to be alright even though I am not a fan of Burton's Batman films.

Yeah, I can see that. But in comparing Keaton to Pattinson, Keaton does kind of have an edgy vibe to him. His face does make him look a bit wild and although that doesn't make him look like Bruce Wayne, it does make him an interesting and unique choice. I can see the reasoning behind it. Pattinson has a girly face. And I just don't see that as Bruce Wayne in any way. It's a similar issue as casting Val Kilmer as Batman. Both just feel totally wrong no matter how good an actor they may be.

"Girly face" lol what is with some tmdb users on here and good-looking young actors. And I'm actually scared of the kind of girls you know if Pattinson is categorised as a "girly face" in your weird little world. I'm feeling users here should just be happy they didn't cast Jamie Foxx for Bruce Wayne then you sad lot would really have something to bitch about. Yeah Pattinson is no John Wayne but is he really the worst Hollywood could find to cast as Bruce Wayne? No fucking way. This thread is starting to annoy me.

John Wayne as in a tough guy? Pattinson looks too young to play Bruce Wayne if the "girly face" description went over your head. But it is no much his face that bugs me as his physical frame.

@Damienracer said:

@movie_nazi said:

@Damienracer said:

@JustinJackFlash said:

@movie_nazi said:

@JustinJackFlash said:

@movie_nazi said:

Exactly. In fact, the entire cast are good actors I am just not so sure they will be a good fit for those roles. I could be proven wrong though!

Yeah, Colin Farell gets a lot of flak but I actually like him. He was great in In Bruges.

@Tectash said:

Keaton when casted got fan outcry, so did Ledger as the Joker.

The Heath Ledger outcry is actually a myth that arose a while afterwards in order to tell an interesting story. This sort of narrative changing happens a lot and is just part of media sensationalizing. But Ledger's casting was actually hugely loved right from the start. At that point he had taken a much celebrated turn into more respectable acting and was hot off Brokeback Mountain. I remember me and my friends going mental when we first heard the casting and were hugely anticipating seeing his Joker 2 years before the film came out and talked about it constantly. Film magazines and the media were going crazy for it and there was a highly successful, incredibly innovative and well known marketing campaign implemented in those 2 years that centered around the mystery of his Joker and his anarchism.

I remember leading up to the films release I saw people in nightclubs with awesome Heath Ledger Joker make up on the dancefloor (and that was before he died). His casting provoked a phenomenon that I've never seen before or since so it is very strange to hear the story of how his initial casting was badly received because it so wasn't.

With Keaton I would have been too young to be aware at the time but seen as he was seen as a comedian rather than an actor before Batman I can totally see that being true. But yes, Keaton did prove everyone wrong and maybe Pattinson will too.

I was in high school when Keaton's Batman came out and I can attest that most people thought it was a bad choice, myself included, simply from a superficial perspective. How could a balding, dad-bod, schlumpy dude ever be the badass that Bruce Wayne is? Impossible! But I will admit he turned to be alright even though I am not a fan of Burton's Batman films.

Yeah, I can see that. But in comparing Keaton to Pattinson, Keaton does kind of have an edgy vibe to him. His face does make him look a bit wild and although that doesn't make him look like Bruce Wayne, it does make him an interesting and unique choice. I can see the reasoning behind it. Pattinson has a girly face. And I just don't see that as Bruce Wayne in any way. It's a similar issue as casting Val Kilmer as Batman. Both just feel totally wrong no matter how good an actor they may be.

"Girly face" lol what is with some tmdb users on here and good-looking young actors. And I'm actually scared of the kind of girls you know if Pattinson is categorised as a "girly face" in your weird little world. I'm feeling users here should just be happy they didn't cast Jamie Foxx for Bruce Wayne then you sad lot would really have something to bitch about. Yeah Pattinson is no John Wayne but is he really the worst Hollywood could find to cast as Bruce Wayne? No fucking way. This thread is starting to annoy me.

John Wayne as in a tough guy? Pattinson looks too young to play Bruce Wayne if the "girly face" description went over your head. But it is no much his face that bugs me as his physical frame.

His physical frame which can easily be improved by going to the gym, apart from playing a shiny vampire in some admittedly cheesy teen movies he's not that revolting a choice to play batman I'm just not getting the hatred towards him. And him being "too young" lol he's 34 fucking years old for crying out loud what you want a 68 year old batman?

You win. Pattinson will be the best Batman since Adam West.