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S4 E10 WINNER --last of S4
posted by friscokidSTAFFMOD on October 9, 2018 at 12:11 PM
Well I think we got answer to Kim hanging on for S5 and to see how this plays out to their eventual parting of the ways. For a moment I thought when Jimmy about to read Chuck's letter and seeing one of panel shuffle papers to maybe have a copy Chuck shared with another? And it not be the same that Jimmy read, LOL. Jimmy is damn good as a sales guy or reading people and fitting narrative or playing to their weaknesses. To get what he wants. But most already knew this ;) Kim certainly was appalled or taking aback when Jimmy did his reveal of not being sincere or honest in what he said. And then the DBA request "It's All Good Man"...giving us S5 as the new and improved Saul Goodman.
I actually enjoyed more of the Gus, Mike, SuperLab story line. Which gives us a lot to look forward to in Gus vs Salamanca in S5. Mike obviously knew that by being involved with Gus he no longer can be outside of that cartel of Gus's. I'm gonna assume seeing Gayle in Super Lab and the emptiness of it, all the Germans have been disposed of along with wife of Ziegler. So S5 must have a new crew in to finish the build out and as Gayle said VENTILATION. Wonder if this is where the idea of the Dry Cleaning business comes into play of disguising meth cook fumes/odor.
I want to watch again to see if anything missed first time around.
Haven't read any reviews elsewhere but will to see what others thoughts were.
Now the long wait of S5 and wondering if it ends or do they somehow DRAGGGGGGG this out even further to get us closer to BBS1E1. Hope not but maybe a time jump too, LOL.
Reply by A-Dubya
on October 9, 2018 at 12:35 PM
I loved the ending. I watched it this morning and laughed out loud. This is the Saul I know and love, haha!
I called Ziegler being killed. He was dumb to do what he did. Missing his wife was not enough to risk being on the bad side of Gus and his cronies. I enjoyed the game Mike was playing with Lalo tailing him. Genius move to jam the parking thing.
I know the next season will be a long time away. I've started back on season 1, so maybe by the time I get back to S4,E10 the new season will be on.
I didn't fully understand one thing. Maybe someone can help me out. Why was he talking to the girl who wanted the scholarship? I wasn't clear on why he cared so much about the panel giving her another look to consider her. Did he just see a bit of himself in her, citing her previous shoplifting, and generally not being good enough?
Reply by friscokid
on October 9, 2018 at 4:13 PM
ADub....my take is what you mentioned. Jimmy has been and we saw with his first attempt of getting off probation the LOSER. The one who made a mistake and wants to be in the CLUB. Chuck got him into it and Jimmy got himself booted out. He ultimately needed Chuck, albeit dead, to get him back in to become Saul. That girl represented Jimmy IMHO. Jimmy couldn't believe he was only vote and I think he felt that girl needed that chip on shoulder to push thru and make them all pay as he implored. Like his Karaoke song by ABBA "THE WINNER TAKES IT ALL"
His emotional outburst in car when it didn't start I think was catalyst for him to give that speech vs reading Chuck's letter. He realized he wasn't in club, like the little girl. His bolt of lightening was his story which we see got him back into Lawyer Club.
Great episode and great acting by Odenkirk. He deserves some awards.
Reply by A-Dubya
on October 9, 2018 at 6:40 PM
Thank you. That scene with Jimmy in the car...it hit a little too close to home for me. I've been in a very similar place, and I have had an outburst like that before. You're right about his performance, really great stuff by Odenkirk IMO.
Reply by Terrie
on October 9, 2018 at 7:34 PM
Well I'm totally surprised we didn't get the end of Kim and Jimmy. The door is open for season 5 and perhaps there does need to be just one more season.
Ziegler was a fool to think he'd get away with what he did. It was, indeed, totally genius of Mike to do what he did to get rid of Salamanca. But no doubt the rest of the guys and Ziegler's wife are now a target but I'm not sure we'll get to what happens with them in the next season. Would it serve any purpose, except maybe to show how evil Gus really is, if we did? It does look as if Gayle may be further involved the in completion of the superlab.
We're now at the birth of Saul Goodman. What I wonder is why we didn't get anymore Cinnabon Jimmy flash forwards and if he was followed or not.
It was an excellent episode but episode 9 was still the best of the season by far. I most definitely believe Odenkirk will be Emmy nominated again.
Reply by friscokid
on October 9, 2018 at 8:54 PM
Terrie,
Agree on Ziegler. Do you think when we see Gus and Gale all alone in the dark hole, with no one else till we see Mike up above when Gale leaves, that Gus has already disposed of the Germans? It seems in line with Gus handling the situation given all the Germans would be asking where Ziegler disappeared to and I think it was obvious Ziegler's wife has been taken care of as well. LOOSE ENDS. The way Gus reacted to Gale's excitement of cooking it doesn't seem like his involvement will be soon until he's completed the Lab. Which I don't think Gale will be involved in other than a cook.
As for the Cinnabon, isn't that 5 years approx ahead to when he had to hastily leave ABQ due to Walt's antics. Not really significant to me in terms of Saul from what I see. More of like you said a flash to where he ends up and now we are building to the how and why he gets there in Nebraska?? to work at the Cinnabon. I could be completely wrong but I didn't think anyone was following Saul there but more his paranoia he's got now that he's more a less in a witness protection program but not from our Government ;)
Just some thoughts right or wrong ;)
Reply by jonnieblack
on October 11, 2018 at 7:51 PM
HI, Terrie. Didn't know that you watch this show!
JImmy and Kim's relationship has been the least predictable element of this show, which is saying something. How many times have we believed they were done, that Kim would finally leave him, and then she doesn't? I am starting to think that it will be Jimmy (Saul, really) who pulls the plug. We saw last ep that he doesn't think he measures up in her eyes. Saul may decide he needs to cut that out of his life to fully evolve into his new person.
Reply by Terrie
on October 11, 2018 at 8:11 PM
Hi JohnnieBlack YASSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS ........I watch this show.......LOL Breaking Bad was one of the first things I watched when I got Netflix so when this show came out it was a given that I had to watch it.
I did indeed think this season would end with Kim and Jimmy being finished. I am surprised it didn't but it does seem it's still headed that way. The question still remains as to who does what. You might have a point about it being Jimmy that just walks away.
Reply by tvinsomniac
on October 12, 2018 at 3:55 PM
I would like to see the series come to an end, with Jimmy working at the cinnabon and Kim walking up to the counter to make an order. and the look on each face when they see each other. or Jimmy sees Kim and decides to "hide" behind the counter so she doesn't see him. I can't remember if Lalo is in BB, but if not I would assume that Mike or Nacho will take him out. Anyhow, I hate to wish my life away,. but, I can't wait until next season.. 10 episodes just aren't enough
Reply by FormerlyKnownAs
on October 12, 2018 at 10:04 PM
Such an outstanding performance by Rainer Bock as Ziegler. Really can see him getting an Outstanding Guest Actor nod.
Reply by Terrie
on October 13, 2018 at 12:35 PM
I wondered that as well. I think Jimmy saw himself in that girl. He wanted approval from Chuck and he never really got it.
Reply by FormerlyKnownAs
on October 13, 2018 at 9:06 PM
Jimmy speaking to the girl made me think of 'Tom Joad’s' I’ll Be There speech from John Steinbeck's "The Grapes of Wrath". Not the wording so much—as the sentiment.
Such great writing on this show.
Reply by lmao7
on October 15, 2018 at 12:53 AM
That she was known as the shoplifter-despite the other good things she may have done in school. Same with him, he'll always be slippin Jimmy (esp to Chuck) even if he did great lawyer stuff. I was actually thinking if the girl appeared in BB lol like if Saul hires her or something - cos that was a lot of screen time for her and the name sounded familiar.
Reply by RobPatelli
on May 17, 2019 at 7:13 AM
I am keen follower & lover of BCS. I like Kim and Jimmy together so much and I will indeed be sad when they part their ways.
Coming back to you point, it would be a fitting end of Jimmy & Kim see each other as the last scene of BCS ever. In more romantic way, Kim would forgive Saul/Jimmy and they get together in the last scene of the last episode of the show.