Now THAT was a bad joke on any board Jet

Back on the topic of Tarantino directing the next Star Trek movie ,Patrick Stewart has stated that if it is possible he would love to reprise his role of Picard if it gives him the opportunity to work with Tarantino.

By Knixon: The problem with Spock Prime not revealing some of the coming disasters, is that we were presented, time and again, with situations where basically ONLY Kirk would have been able to stop them. Because of his particular background, trickery, etc. None of which he would have developed if he didn't spend the time gathering experience, serving with Captain Garrovick, etc. Which means Earth was probably doomed anyway. Just not quite as soon. No other captain could have dealt with Nomad, just for one example, because only by confusing Kirk with Jackson Roykirk did Nomad stop its attacks which would have led to finding - and "sterilizing" - Earth. And basically we're shown that only Kirk could argue Nomad into destroying itself. etc, etc.

I don't agree with your conclusion.

If this is why you think PrimeSpock kept his mouth shut then I would have to say that he was shortsighted and wrong in his assessment and judgement towards NuKirk.

NuKirk is a fighter , a survivor. He grew up without a father and his uncle was an a$$hole ..he learnt early in life how to cope and defend himself .

According to Pike NuKirk's aptitude tests were OFF THE CHART. He is quick to adapt and find a solution ... His survival mode is strong.

We know that he is a guy that thinks "out of the box" (Kobayashi Maru test) and he doesn't believe in "no win scenarios ".

His quick thinking saved the Enterprise when he made the connection between the Klingon message Uhura had intercepted and translated 24 hours before with what was happening in Vulcan space...he warned them of the danger..

He has strong nerves and response well under pressure and he has shown to extricate himself and his crew from situations where the odds were totally against them.

And NuKirk is never been short of words ..he has always used his tongue to get out of a lot of situations. Pike actually makes a point of it in one of the first scenes in Star Trek :Into. Darkness , when he tells NuKirk he was able to reassign him back under his command as first officer of the Enterprise and

NuKirk says "I don't know what to say "

and Pike replies " This is a first".

If you want to accept NuKirk as credible, fine. I don't, and I don't think there's good evidence FOR doing it. So much of what Kirk was in TOS, was because of his experiences after the academy, serving with Captain Garrovick, etc, all of which he skipped for the reboots. The reboots still strike me as basically wish-fulfillment for no-delayed-gratification millennial "Trekkies" (except I don't think they really are) who imagine that they too, could captain a starship, if they're just really good at skateboarding and video games or whatever.

by Knixon:

If you want to accept NuKirk as credible, fine. I don't, and I don't think there's good evidence FOR doing it. So much of what Kirk was in TOS, was because of his experiences after the academy, serving with Captain Garrovick, etc....

NuKirk was not ready for the captaincy of the Enterprise , the flag ship of Starfleet...he lacked discipline and sense of responsibility and he needed more experience on the field .

..in your last post you gave an example...you wrote that he lacked PrimeKirk's trickery needed to outwit Nomad...and I wrote that as far as wit and lip he would have been able to outsmart Nomad.

Unlike PrimeKirk , growing up without a father and having to deal with an a$$hole uncle , NuKirk learnt early in his life to fend and talk himself out of situations and to speak up for himself .

Furthmore, Pike stated that NuKirk's aptitude tests were off the chart...and this was before he even entered the academy and we all know that he didn't believe in no win scenarios ...he had guts and tenacity.

We can see good part of PrimeKirk already in NuKirk , but he needed to mature and do experience on the field , he needed to refine all those (raw) qualities he already had demonstrated to have .

Pike believed in him .

So no I don't agree with you when you said that most probably PrimeSpock kept his mouth shut concerning future threats because ,considering NuKirk too unprepared , he was destined from the beginning to fail in his 5 year exploration mission, anyway.

@sunshine62 said:

by Knixon:

If you want to accept NuKirk as credible, fine. I don't, and I don't think there's good evidence FOR doing it. So much of what Kirk was in TOS, was because of his experiences after the academy, serving with Captain Garrovick, etc....

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So no I don't agree with you when you said that most probably PrimeSpock kept his mouth shut concerning future threats because ,considering NuKirk too unprepared , he was destined from the beginning to fail in his 5 year exploration mission, anyway.

Sorry if I wasn't clear, but I don't believe that's WHY Spock Prime didn't tell them all the details, but that would explain why they would still fail even if he had. It also sounds like more millennial wish-fulfillment that if they had a sucky home life, maybe their father died young etc, that would also help propel them into the command of a starship. It's more self-delusion claptrap. Yes, it's rather incredible that so much of TOS was set up so that Kirk was literally the indispensable man: it seems pretty clear in multiple situations presented that only Kirk could have succeeded. That was a conceit of the show, arguably a failure although understandable for the 60s especially. But once that's given, the idea that NuKirk could do as well, even though PIke was impressed etc, is just silly.

by Knixon:

It also sounds like more millennial wish-fulfillment that if they had a sucky home life, maybe their father died young etc, that would also help propel them into the command of a starship. It's more self-delusion claptrap.

@Well not having the support of a father or mother ( apparently NuKirk's mother was absent because she work off planet most of the time) a child tends to become an insecure or one that learns how to defend and speak up for himself.

NuKirk obviously became the latter ...he resembled a lot his father. Same tenacity, he was courageous , altruist , didn't believe in no win scenarios , he did what was needed ,he had the hero complex.

Yes, it's rather incredible that so much of TOS was set up so that Kirk was literally the indispensable man: it seems pretty clear in multiple situations presented that only Kirk could have succeeded.

@Kirk was the captain of the Enterprise hence he was responsible for the safety of the crew. He was suppose to be the eternal light in the storm .

I'm not so sure if Kirk was actually the one that scored the most "touch downs " though..it would be interesting to start a new thread and list episode by episode who actually saved the day...I think Spock and Scottie did their share of making thing right.

But once that's given, the idea that NuKirk could do as well, even though Pike was impressed etc, is just silly.

@Besides Pike being impressed , NuKirk demonstrated that he did have the makings of a exceptional captain ,he just needed to have experience in the field , and mature .

In my opinion , Star Trek 2009 should have ended with Kirk receiving a Medal of Honor or for bravery ....then the opening scene of ST : Into Darkness should have been with Pike at the command of the Enterprise , Kirk as first officer and Spock as Science officer..and below something written like 3/4 year into exploration mission ... they should be on their way home for some minor repairs on the Enterprise.

Once docked ,they are summoned at the briefing in the tower and Pike gets killed ( he was one of my favourites , damn it) .

Kirk ,eager to revenge his captain falls into Marcus' trap and goes after Khanberbatch.

But let's face it , NuKirk's promotion to capitain without any training is only one of many things that didn't make sense in the first two JJ Abrams'' reboots. .

NuSpock being emotional and having an affair with Uhura didn't make sense .. Destroying two important planets in the franchise was a horrible idea ...etc....

Are you two still griping about two movies that came out years ago? And I'll bet that during the first two years of TNG Trekkies were having similar discussion,bottom line when you change certain things to a formula some people will be disgruntled and some will eventually accept the changes and go with it.Trek has been under the influence of many changes over the decades (some radical other less) that would sometimes be in conflict with which was previously established most Trekkies got over that and so will this .As for myself I don't have any problems with reboots of ST09 and STB I think at core both of these get at the heart of what TOS was about (the characters) and I understand the whole soft reboot from the perspective of the the studio to wipe the slate clean and have a fresh slate without having to deal with a large part of the continuity issues since that part doesn't exist on this alternate time line.And sure some things don't seem to make sense from the perspective of the die-hard Trekkers but on the other hand I can understand certain decisions from a perspective of mass appeal.And being able to stay in touch with the times enabled Trek to have such a long life span and remain relevant for so many years an part of that success comes from the fact that Trek has been able to change the formula and sometimes challenge fans to discard preconceived notions.

Now as for STID sure it might be more fast-paced than most of the community would have liked but in general STID isn't a bad movie.But one thing I did not understand was that they basically had a good and convincing story and destroying it by changing the main antagonist into Khan,who without the back story of Space Seed is a bit pointless because it lacks the personal history & vendetta between Kirk and Khan.By introducing Khan the movie lost it's mystery and spoiled the whole story before the movie ended. I think keeping with the John Harrison character would have been better because at least the unfolding would have been an unknown.Also his character could have easily been written as being part of the Augments who where already established lore from ENT.If they had gone in that direction you could basically have the same movie without having to change much but have a deeper impact because it wouldn't have had Kahn shoehorned into a story which in itself was good and strong enough to stand on it's own merits.

@Nexus71 said:

Enlighten us ?

I SEE 4 ENLIGHTENS!

And I'll raise you 2 more.

I thought you didn't watch TNG Chris?

by Nexus :

As for myself I don't have any problems with reboot of ST09 ...... And sure some things don't seem to make sense from the perspective of the die-hard Trekkers ..

@You can like the reboots as much as You want Nexus, but as far as making sense they are FULL of illogical behaviour.

Star Trek 2009.

Nero' s grudge against Spock.. If a fire is about to reach your house ..it's up to the husband to take his wife and unborn child to a safe place until the danger passes ...instead Nero left his pregnant wife on Romulus because he put all his hopes on Spock using the red matter to create a black hole that would engulf the star 🌟before it went supernova and destroyed 💥Romulus .

Even after 25 years in a Klingon prison Nero still didn't realise that HE was responsible and to blame for his wife's death ...he should have taken his beloved wife off planet until the threat had been dealt with.

How the hell did Nero figure out when and where Spock was going to arrive via the black hole ?

After 25 years finally he captures Spock only to free him on Delta Vega to eyewitness the destruction of his planet...it would have made sense from Nero's point of view to leave Spock on the bridge and sit gloating at his enemy's anguish as he watched Vulcan implode.

JJ.Abrams presented us with an emotional Spock that was having an affair with Uhura ...all this was possible according to JJ because the story was set in an alternate timeline.

What bull💩.

Nero's arrival could not have altered in anyway NuSpock 's stern upbringing on Vulcan, a planet many light years away. Sarek and Amanda had already met ,married and given birth to NuSpock three years prior Nero's arrival . NuSpock would have undergone the same ridged teachings PrimeSpock did and we know for a fact that,after he graduated , he was also granted a place in the Vulcan Academy which he refused and enlisted in Starfleet.

The Narada destroyed the Klingon Armada some 23 war vessels and wiped out 5/6 Starfleet ships in Vulcan space but thanks to DUMB LUCK George Kirk managed to ram and disable the Narada😳

I'll stop here ...

Star Trek :into Darkness is a partial rehash of TWOK ,full of fan service moments that NO ONE ASKED FOR. We would have all been happy with a descent plot that made sense. I agree Harrison should have been left as Harrison ( an agent gone rogue or something) ...throwing Khan into the mix was a waste of a already well established and loved character...in the Kelvin timeline Khan had no backstory and was a nobody to NuKirk. Cumberbatch's intense " MY NAME IS KHAN " , a fan service moment that backfired.

When PrimeSpock died I was devastated and in shock, I had loved this character for some 40 odd years. When they pulled the twisted remake stunt I was cringing and then we get another turd moment when NuBones resuscitates nuKirk thanks to Khan's: "miracle blood "?😳

I can't even remember the plot of the last reboot..NuKirk on a motorbike , that's about it.

Hopefully for reboot no4 they leave off those fan service moments and just deliver a descent storyline that makes sense.

Me on my deathbed:

"It's 'TIBERIUS'! Not 'Siberius.' Abrams got it wrong right from the start! Oooooh. Another one will be released next Friday? Keep me alive for just a few more days, Doc."

@sukhisoo said:

Me on my deathbed:

"It's 'TIBERIUS'! Not 'Siberius.' Abrams got it wrong right from the start! Oooooh. Another one will be released next Friday? Keep me alive for just a few more days, Doc."

Just putting my 2 cents worth: "Tiberius" was first heard in an ANIMATED episode! So all you animated nay-sayers can get bent!

If you think about the reboot movies like that ,you really must get your knickers in a twist about the TNG movies where most of the characters of the movies(in particular Picard) act opposite to the characters they played in the series.I though STB was a perfect celebration of Star Trek where the movie centered the focus on the characters and I particularly liked how they recaptured the spirit between Bones and Spock (Urban is very good in the movies as Bones and being a huge fan of Dee's Bones that is saying something) and with the last movie they kinda stepped away from fan service now using the vast material from the franchise as a resource for the fundament of new stories and characters.STB was probably the movie that came closest to the spirit of TOS after I,IV and V .Sure they could have had a more interesting antagonist (Idris Elba was under used) but he was not the main focus of the movie.

@Nexus71 said:

STB was probably the movie that came closest to the spirit of TOS after I,IV and V .

KIRK: I'm not sure, but I think we've been insulted.

MCCOY: I'm sure.