Well there's also a shit ton of lesbians so... It's one of my favorite graphic novel series (a woman actually introduced me to it). I'm kinda psyched to watch this series. Considering how horribly Yorick is treated throughout this, it's not like he's a white savior trope either.

Maybe I'm just cynical but this premise being made in the 2020s, I just see it being a sounding board for "women don't need men, the world would be better off if all men were dead, death to the patriarchy" and then it will just turn into Batwoman. I've since seen The Island Season 2. Now when I think of this premise I just laugh.

@cswood said:

Maybe I'm just cynical but this premise being made in the 2020s, I just see it being a sounding board for "women don't need men, the world would be better off if all men were dead, death to the patriarchy" and then it will just turn into Batwoman. I've since seen The Island Season 2. Now when I think of this premise I just laugh.

The premise came from the phrase, "not if you were the last man on earth", taken literally. A lot of people fantasize that being the last man on Earth in world filled with woman would be pretty great with non-stop orgies, but this series shows that it's anything but that, and it's not a fate you would wish on any man. If I remember right, he only has sex twice during the entire series run, and his ultimate fate was pretty horrific. This is no male fantasy series in any way (like Last Man on Earth was).

I watched the trailer and saw no sign of Brian K Vaughn's sparky dialogue. They excised it all when they adapted Runaways too. It's his writing that is the reason these stories are celebrated. How hard can it be? The writing's already there.

@Innovator said:

The premise came from the phrase, "not if you were the last man on earth", taken literally. A lot of people fantasize that being the last man on Earth in world filled with woman would be pretty great with non-stop orgies, but this series shows that it's anything but that, and it's not a fate you would wish on any man. If I remember right, he only has sex twice during the entire series run, and his ultimate fate was pretty horrific. This is no male fantasy series in any way (like Last Man on Earth was).

In fairness Yorrick was searching for his girlfriend and determined to remain faithful. In The Last Man on Earth the main character wanted to get laid but he was such a spaz he kept messing it up. So I'm not sure I'd call that a male fantasy either.

@Innovator said:

A lot of people fantasize that being the last man on Earth in world filled with woman would be pretty great with non-stop orgies

Lol only morons would think that. Like I said I enjoyed the comics but I read them back when I wasn't nearly as knowledgeable as I am now and I look back on them and realize how interesting they could have been had they been more realistic.

I mean the shear amount of women that would die as a result wasn't even touched upon (that I remember). Men are almost 100% responsible for handling the shipping of goods, collecting the trash, handling the sewage/electricity/plumbing/maintenance/power-plants/food/oil production etc. There are a small amount of women who are in those fields too but not enough to train enough people to keep everything running before millions/billions of women would starve to death or kill themselves.

The simple act of having to collect and dispose of 3+ billion bodies of dead men and boys wouldn't happen fast enough before they began to rot and spread disease, and I'd be willing to bet the vast majority of women would rather let the bodies sit than handle the disposal. And I'm sure some women would step up to the challenge, but it would be a minority, and a minority isn't going to be enough to get the job done before at least a few billion females die.

The real story would have been the small group of women trying to rebuild society and realizing it's impossible. And honestly I see the same result if the premise were reversed, I see small group of men trying to maintain society while the majority would lose motivation and go off to do their own thing or kill themselves.

@cswood said:

@Innovator said:

A lot of people fantasize that being the last man on Earth in world filled with woman would be pretty great with non-stop orgies

Lol only morons would think that. Like I said I enjoyed the comics but I read them back when I wasn't nearly as knowledgeable as I am now and I look back on them and realize how interesting they could have been had they been more realistic.

I mean the shear amount of women that would die as a result wasn't even touched upon (that I remember). Men are almost 100% responsible for handling the shipping of goods, collecting the trash, handling the sewage/electricity/plumbing/maintenance/power-plants/food/oil production etc. There are a small amount of women who are in those fields too but not enough to train enough people to keep everything running before millions/billions of women would starve to death or kill themselves.

The simple act of having to collect and dispose of 3+ billion bodies of dead men and boys wouldn't happen fast enough before they began to rot and spread disease, and I'd be willing to bet the vast majority of women would rather let the bodies sit than handle the disposal. And I'm sure some women would step up to the challenge, but it would be a minority, and a minority isn't going to be enough to get the job done before at least a few billion females die.

The real story would have been the small group of women trying to rebuild society and realizing it's impossible. And honestly I see the same result if the premise were reversed, I see small group of men trying to maintain society while the majority would lose motivation and go off to do their own thing or kill themselves.

They actually did touch on that. A lot of women who didn't used to do that kind of work started doing so out of necessity. They even talked to one woman going around the city collecting corpses in a garbage truck in one city, and she basically stated just that. Also...if it there were only men, there definitely would have been an orgy pile...prison rules and all that.

@Innovator said:

They actually did touch on that. A lot of women who didn't used to do that kind of work started doing so out of necessity. They even talked to one woman going around the city collecting corpses in a garbage truck in one city, and she basically stated just that.

I remember that, it was one woman who used to be a model or something so she was dressed in sexy clothes with a midriff and very little if any face protection to guard against the smell. One woman wouldn't be able to do that amount of work lifting dozens of 200lb+ dead bodies, nor would she last long in what she was wearing. That's kind of my point, I didn't realize at the time how unrealistic those books were treating its story. I mean what happens when the gas runs out of her truck, or when it breaks down? There are female mechanics in the world but only a fraction compared to men. It would be a huge disaster.

@Innovator said:

Also...if it there were only men, there definitely would have been an orgy pile...prison rules and all that.

I doubt it. I mean gay guys could still get their rocks off but straight men will either go nuts or retreat into themselves without women motivating them to work. But I do think repopulation would have a much better chance with men given there have been studies that suggest you can take an X sperm cell and convert it into an egg and then using an artificial womb to grow the fetus as has already been tested with animals.

I don't think it's an accident we rarely see stories where all the women are gone that don't paint the men as evil jerks like Chaos Walking or Lord of the Flies, whereas portraying women without men usually shows them as better off with few exceptions.

@cswood said: I don't think it's an accident we rarely see stories where all the women are gone that don't paint the men as evil jerks like Chaos Walking or Lord of the Flies, whereas portraying women without men usually shows them as better off with few exceptions.

Except the Lord of the Flies scenario was proven wrong when it actually happened.

https://www.theguardian.com/books/2020/may/09/the-real-lord-of-the-flies-what-happened-when-six-boys-were-shipwrecked-for-15-months

Also there were studies with mice that showed, creatures retreating into themselves and doing nothing is something that happens when one is given everything they need, not when there is a need. People and animals tend to be more motivated when there is adversity.

https://www.smithsonianmag.com/smart-news/how-mouse-utopias-1960s-led-grim-predictions-humans-180954423/

Also, the model wasn't the only one working on it, she was just supposed to be representative of what the other women were doing all over the world...taking up jobs they didn't normally do out of necessity.

@Innovator said:

@cswood said: I don't think it's an accident we rarely see stories where all the women are gone that don't paint the men as evil jerks like Chaos Walking or Lord of the Flies, whereas portraying women without men usually shows them as better off with few exceptions.

Except the Lord of the Flies scenario was proven wrong when it actually happened.

https://www.theguardian.com/books/2020/may/09/the-real-lord-of-the-flies-what-happened-when-six-boys-were-shipwrecked-for-15-months

Thanks for this information. I get they would change the real story for more drama but this is egregious, but the book/movie painted those boys as savages. Can't say I'm surprised though.

@Innovator said:

Also there were studies with mice that showed, creatures retreating into themselves and doing nothing is something that happens when one is given everything they need, not when there is a need. People and animals tend to be more motivated when there is adversity.

https://www.smithsonianmag.com/smart-news/how-mouse-utopias-1960s-led-grim-predictions-humans-180954423/

I agree that adversity tends to motivate people, but when adversity gets overwhelming some people just check out and/or kill themselves. And we are talking about a situation where all the infrastructure that've created to protect society (ie women/children) is gone. All the women that "attempt" suicide won't have 911 to call, an ambulance to come get them, or many doctors to save and treat them or provide them with medication. All that stuff would be gone.

And although I'm certain some women would step up to the plate and survive, A LOT will be unwilling to or will rely on the group or won't be able to (ie old, mentally unstable, etc).

@Innovator said:

Also, the model wasn't the only one working on it, she was just supposed to be representative of what the other women were doing all over the world...taking up jobs they didn't normally do out of necessity.

My point was that particular woman was working by herself. You would need a team of people to even make a dent in that cleanup for one neighborhood. Even if she worked 8 hours a day 5 days a week she would die from exhaustion from lifting, carrying, and disposing of bodies by herself. That woman would not have the upper body strength necessary to carry a dead body her size, not to mention it's probably leaking bodily fluids and stinking to high hell and becoming a biohazard.

I realize it's just a fantasy comic book but there's so much potential to tell a much more gritty realistic story with that premise that Y completely glosses over.

Looks like they cancelled it. I popped on the cesspool known as Twitter to see what was being said and it's hilarious. Apparently the trans community absolutely hates the notion of the show and finds it offensive/phobic even though they incorporated a trans character that (as far as I remember) wasn't in the book. Quite literally the "get woke go broke" meme in practice.

@acontributor said:

Did they say what they hate about the show? In the show Yorick is sometimes assumed to be trans because most people think everyone with a Y chromosome has died. Is that what they considered offensive? Or is it the fact that the death of all men implies that transmen are not real men?

In one of the episodes the transman character says that "we deserved it" speaking for all men as if all men deserve to die. And there are a bunch of female characters who hate men. So yeah this show is offensive.

I casually read some of the tweets. Some of the people (who claimed to be trans so this isn't my thinking) were offended that the show is called "The Last Man" while there were still trans men around and that the focus should of been on them since they were "The Last Men", also that the show kills all the trans women, who shouldn't have died because "they're women" ie the chromosomal aspect of the show should have been ignored since "it's fiction".

I also read the word "transmisogyny" for the first time while reading these tweets.

What makes me laugh is that they clearly added in the trans characters specifically to appeal to that group of people and at least some of these people hated the show anyway.

I just read the real reason the show was cancelled was because Covid delays as well as changing showrunners pushed the show release too close to when FX had to make deals to re-option the cast as per their contract. There was no way they could do that, so they decided to drop it rather than pay the $3 million to extend the options. https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/tv/tv-news/why-was-y-the-last-man-canceled-1235033351/

Something tells me if people were watching the show and it was really popular they would have renewed it.

And let's be honest, given the controversy and politics of the show, would it make more sense they would blame the cancellation on Covid or the fact audiences rejected it? Because if audiences rejected it it would have no chance to get picked up by another network or would hamper any future projects that want to feature the same political/social angles.

@cswood said:

Something tells me if people were watching the show and it was really popular they would have renewed it.

And let's be honest, given the controversy and politics of the show, would it make more sense they would blame the cancellation on Covid or the fact audiences rejected it? Because if audiences rejected it it would have no chance to get picked up by another network or would hamper any future projects that want to feature the same political/social angles.

It was the studio FX who cancelled it and not the station HULU, so they didn't even know whether or not people were watching as they hadn't gotten any numbers yet from HULU.

@Innovator said:

It was the studio FX who cancelled it and not the station HULU, so they didn't even know whether or not people were watching as they hadn't gotten any numbers yet from HULU.

You're right. I'm sure the show was probably doing really well and lots of people were watching it and talking about it and FX just up and cancelled a popular show. Happens all the time. I'm sure another network will pick up this cult classic.