The episodes were released on Amazon Prime on February 18 at 0h GMT. At that time in the US (this is a US show), its the evening of February 17.

It was already explained in this previous content report for the previous seasons.

Explain it however you want, but the decision is still wrong.

Officially, the series releases new episodes on Fridays at 12am ET. I can positively state that the first 2 eps were certainly not available on Amazon in the US at 12am GMT (7pm ET) as you assert, because the initial premiere date Trakt showed was the 17th (because you're site was wrong) and I checked every hour to see if Prime had the first 2 yet. They did not.

I don't know how much more confirmation is required than the actual Amazon listings that clearly state "FRIDAYS" and 2/18 for the premiere.

It is just a few minutes after midnight GMT. We are still Thursday in the evening in the US. And the new episodes 3 and 4 have just arrived as it is visible here.

This confirm that the dates listed on our site are correct.

@superboy97 said:

It is just a few minutes after midnight GMT. We are still Thursday in the evening in the US. And the new episodes 3 and 4 have just arrived as it is visible here.

This confirm that the dates listed on our site are correct.

That makes it still wrong, because according to this database, the episodes aired 19 hours ago.

If they are available when it's still Thursday in the US then fine, but fix the airing time to 7pm EST or whatever it was.


FWIW, interestingly, IMDb, which is owned by Amazon, has the official episode release dates as Fridays, two episodes per week.

@LucAltaiR said:

That makes it still wrong, because according to this database, the episodes aired 19 hours ago.

According to our database, the episodes aired sometimes on Thursday. We never say that they aired at Thursday at 12AM.

If they are available when it's still Thursday in the US then fine, but fix the airing time to 7pm EST or whatever it was.

We can't fix something that we don't have. We have no airtime field.

For a standard TV series that air each Thursday at 8PM, for example, do you also say that we are wrong because the series is not broadcasted at 12AM when we indicate that the series aired on Thursday ?

@NYSNDGUY said:


Yes, Friday at midnight GMT, which means Thursday at 7PM ET in the US (This is a US series).

@pt100 said:

FWIW, interestingly, IMDb, which is owned by Amazon, has the official episode release dates as Fridays, two episodes per week.

Each site has its own set of rule. It is logical for IMDB to copy the data listed on the Amazon page as they are owned by Amazon. But, here, we always list the airdate based on the original country of the series.

Here's a blurb from The Decider streaming newsletter from 2/17 that may help to clarify what's going on: "The first two episodes of The Marvelous Mrs. Maisel Season 4 premiere on Prime Video this Friday, but depending on where you are in the world, Friday can mean different things. In fact, if you’re on the East Coast, the episodes will premiere at 7pm ET, which is also Midnight, GMT. So technically, the series will premiere at 7/6c on Thursday, February 17. Surprise!"

So I wonder if Amazon takes an "international" approach to release dates, even though it is based in the U.S.--using GMT as their time standard instead of the Eastern U.S. time zone, which is the one usually cited first in many listings services. That might explain the difference.

It's sort of ironic that TMDb correctly uses the U.S. release date, but Amazon, a U.S. company, may be using GMT so as not to seem chauvinistic. ;-)

@superboy97 said:

According to our database, the episodes aired sometimes on Thursday. We never say that they aired at Thursday at 12AM.

That's not what shows up on applications based on this database.

@superboy97 said: We can't fix something that we don't have. We have no airtime field.

For a standard TV series that air each Thursday at 8PM, for example, do you also say that we are wrong because the series is not broadcasted at 12AM when we indicate that the series aired on Thursday ?

Well, then that's just moronic, if you don't have an airtime field. I don't know if you've missed the memo, but there's been this thing called on demand streaming for the last decade that has a way different pattern of airtime release than classic broadcast or cable networks.

If a TV series airs at 8PM on Thursday and it shows up in my app as having aired on Friday at 1AM GMT then that's fine, that's correct. That's not what's happening with The Marvelous Mrs. Maisel which has a roughly 19 hours earlier airtime than the real one.

@LucAltaiR said:

That's not what shows up on applications based on this database.

You need to ask the creator of the application to correct it.

If a TV series airs at 8PM on Thursday and it shows up in my app as having aired on Friday at 1AM GMT then that's fine, that's correct. That's not what's happening with The Marvelous Mrs. Maisel which has a roughly 19 hours earlier airtime than the real one.

Same as above, you need to ask the creator of the application you are using to correct it.

Our data are correct. The problem rely in the way your application is using this data.

I'll just add that here in Canada (basically the same timezones as the U.S.) every Thursday night, my Apple TV shows the next batch of episodes as being available to watch in my "Up Next" strip, as it should, since they are. Apple isn't waiting for Friday to do that. They're available, watch them.

I don't really understand what @LucAltaiR is even arguing about at this point. It's a "U.S." series, whose episodes area available to watch every Thursday night. How does that not make their release date Thursday? Whatever their marketing material says is inconsequential. When they air is all that matters.

@travisbell said:

I don't really understand what @LucAltaiR is even arguing about at this point. It's a "U.S." series, whose episodes area available to watch every Thursday night. How does that not make their release date Thursday? Whatever their marketing material says is inconsequential. When they air is all that matters.

I think the point that I and @LucAltaiR were stuck on is that your database is being used by API clients that are only able to get incomplete data from TMDb because you don't include air times, only dates. As such, they are forced to pull that information from other sources which don't conform to your interpretation of the air date. The end result being the apparent inaccuracy of the information provided by TMDb. I don't know who's job it should be to resolve, but it shouldn't be us users who have no actual power. Maybe the staff and admins of TMDb and the sites like Trakt, that have chosen TMDb as their data source, can figure out a solution? Maybe TMDb could start recording air times?

IMHO, the burden is not on TMDb to do anything. They are reporting the correct U.S. air date for a U.S.-based TV show. Case closed. And I don't think they have any obligation to resolve anything with sites like Trakt, etc. It is up to these other sites to report TMDb data correctly and not distort or misrepresent TMDb data by combining it with other data not furnished by TMDb (which doesn't report air times, only air dates).

I think we've spent more than enough time on this issue.