Hello,

I can't be sure since I haven't seen the page/entries, but I think it might've been because there isn't any information known yet (no titles, no guest cast, no director, no writer, no plot). We don't like empty episodes in the database.. Only the titles for the first two episodes are known, far as I know. I've also deleted the third and fourth empty episode, and the season "overview" as it is no overview at all :-P

@alltimemarr

I can't be sure since I haven't seen the page/entries, but I think it might've been because there isn't any information known yet (no titles, no guest cast, no director, no writer, no plot).

That's not great and useful at all in my opinion! I added all air dates and according IMDb IDs for all of these episodes and the cast members I already knew about. For example, for episode 8, I added 3 guest guest stars who were announced a few days ago. Now they're gone.

We don't like empty episodes in the database ...

They were not empty - and why not. In approxiamtely 6 weeks, someone has to create the same episodes again, and the infos can be added accordingly by someone who knows about it. I don't understand the deletion at all - that's only 6 weeks!

Only the titles for the first two episodes are known, far as I know. I've also deleted the third and fourth empty episode,

That means exactly this: On next Sunday we can watch episode 1&2, and on Monday, someone else has to add episode three again. That makes from today 6 days - and you think it's appropriate to delete it?

I have to say that's very dis-encouraging because it took a lot of time for me to add all those little things and look them up! And now they're just gone - puf.

and the season "overview" as it is no overview at all :-P

I know - but it was catchy.

Best wishes,

janar

"Love [...] is the most incredible gift to give and to receive as a human being." - Ellen Page

They were not empty - and why not. In approxiamtely 6 weeks, someone has to create the same episodes again, and the infos can be added accordingly by someone who knows about it. I don't understand the deletion at all - that's only 6 weeks!

We do things a bit differently than IMDb or TVDB, but you will get used to it. It's faster, easier and less confusing to wait for the press releases/official infos.

In a nutshell, try to never add more than one blank episode (aka an episode without a confirmed air date and title) and only add one when it's necessary (ex: the first episode of a season, when the episode airs in a few days but the infos are still unavailable).

@banana_girl

We do things a bit differently than IMDb or TVDB, but you will get used to it.

Okay, I think I understand what you and Marr are saying. But I disagree with your approach completely. I don't want to blow this out of proportion, because I like TMDb a lot and I appreciate all your hard work. However, deleting perfectly well submitted entries for future use, and even while someone is contributing at that exact moment, is an absolute no-go in my opinion and shouldn't happen at all! I was really angry yesterday about it, and I still don't see what harm was done by doing it?

You write that we do things differently. I'm not sure what this "we" includes? Do you speak for all the contributors here - because "we" all can contribute here in our preferred way with informations we gather somewhere else. Or do you speak for all the moderators as a group who has established unwritten rules like this one, defining of how things should be submitted? I completely understand that all the moderators have a higher responsibility for the content that's submitted - but deleting my entries goes definitely to far in my book. And I'm being honest - I don't think I want to get used to it.

It's faster, easier and less confusing to wait for the press releases/official infos.

Do you mean that's faster, easier and less confusing for you as a moderator? If so, why can't you trust other people like me who are willing to contribute, and let them figure out for themselves what's the best way to do so? Why do you want to regulate it? Are you afraid of mistakes? I mean, I saw that you deleted my addition "CBS (Premiere)" to the Network field. My addition is/was factually correct, because the premiere of this show is on CBS next Sunday. So you made something that was correct wrong again; not out of spite, probably just because you don't know better. Why can't you trust someone like me or an information like this?

And what about the people who want to know more about future episodes weeks before? What about the people who read or heard something from somewhere and want to share this info by contributing it? Or what about the people who want to submit themselves to episodes they participated in because they were part of the show? Press releases hardly ever include all the people from the cast/crew - so those people submit themselves to these episodes weeks before these episodes air. If you take a look at the list of guest stars for episode one - I bet that several of these names won't be listed on the official press release. Do you want to delete all those people when the press release is available?

Regarding official infos: My entry and contribution of three new guest stars for episode 8 was an official statement by the creators of the show. The same goes - indirectly - for the air dates; you can figure them out for yourself from what was said during the live stream from the red carpet of the premiere and from what is written on the official website for the show. I mean, how much more official do they have to be? And even if they're wrong - you could always change them later.

Like I wrote above and yesterday: I still don't understand why someone would delete all these entries someone else already contributed? I don't get it.

In a nutshell, try to never add more than one blank episode (aka an episode without a confirmed air date and title) and only add one when it's necessary (ex: the first episode of a season, when the episode airs in a few days but the infos are still unavailable).

Yeah, well, I'm not sure I want to follow this rule because I think it's totally wrong. I rather not contribute then at all before getting it deleted because of a rule I didn't know beforehand. And it's not that other people know about this rule, either:

https://www.themoviedb.org/tv/1402-the-walking-dead/season/7?language=en-US

https://www.themoviedb.org/tv/67195-legion/season/1?language=en-US

https://www.themoviedb.org/tv/1407-homeland/season/6?language=en-US

https://www.themoviedb.org/tv/39351-grimm/season/6?language=en-US

Episode entries including only titles and descriptions look to me as empty as the one's without - I don't get why those exist and mine were deleted?

Okay, that's all that I have to say about this. But can I ask for the following: I uploaded several images for episode 1 yesterday here:

https://www.themoviedb.org/tv/69158-the-good-fight/season/1/episode/1/images/backdrops?language=en-US

Before/After David Haller deleted the upcoming episodes, he uploaded 3 identical images in better quality. However, he didn't delete the following 3 duplicates that I uploaded before:

https://image.tmdb.org/t/p/original/1GeiU7q1xVRWum2HbIBmEFBUnmk.jpg

https://image.tmdb.org/t/p/original/hayrqZl8ykp52cRfs9YpxjhhOn2.jpg

https://image.tmdb.org/t/p/original/gSB8mvihKmmDvTnAJ990QVccSBC.jpg

Can someone delete those? Thanks!

Best wishes,

janar

"Love [...] is the most incredible gift to give and to receive as a human being." - Ellen Page

I mean, I saw that you deleted my addition "CBS (Premiere)" to the Network field. My addition is/was factually correct, because the premiere of this show is on CBS next Sunday. So you made something that was correct wrong again; not out of spite, probably just because you don't know better. Why can't you trust someone like me or an information like this?

Because CBS (Premiere) is not an Network. The show airs on CBS All Access. So that's the Network to be added.

What about the people who read or heard something from somewhere and want to share this info by contributing it? Or what about the people who want to submit themselves to episodes they participated in because they were part of the show? Press releases hardly ever include all the people from the cast/crew - so those people submit themselves to these episodes weeks before these episodes air. If you take a look at the list of guest stars for episode one - I bet that several of these names won't be listed on the official press release. Do you want to delete all those people when the press release is available?

I'm not a big fan of rumoured content, unless from official sources (main actors/network/producers Twitter feeds for example). But besides that, just wait for the press releases. And if someone watches that episodes and notices those people aren't credited (as guest star, co-star whatever) than I am sure they'll delete them. At least I do. Unless it's a famous person's cameo like Stan Lee in marvel movies xD Than it's OK,. but otherwise, we don't like false data (or I mean, data that cannot be verified).

Most of the episodes you linked have titles -- than again I cannot be sure why David Holden deleted the entries, it was just a guess based on previous experiences.

I've deleted those duplicate images, thanks for pointing it out, beats me why he didn't delete it in the first place :-P Maybe because they are slightly different (same position, but a bit more zoomed in/out, differently cropped, but that difference it to minimal for it not to be a duplicate in my eyes.

@alltimemarr

Because CBS (Premiere) is not an Network. The show airs on CBS All Access. So that's the Network to be added.

Quote from the official website of the show:

When can you watch The Good Fight?

The brand new series premieres on Sunday, Feb. 19 at 8 PM ET on CBS All Access, and with your subscription, you'll be able to watch the first two uncensored episodes that night. The second episode will be available at 8:30 PM ET.

Subsequent episodes will be released weekly on Sundays—exclusively on CBS All Access. The first episode will also have a special broadcast on Sunday, Feb. 19 at 8/7c on CBS.

The last sentence is the important one!

CBS is a network = the "normal" CBS. The series premiere (= episode 1), and only this premiere, airs also on "normal" CBS this coming Sunday before/at the same time that episode 1 will be available on CBS All Access for subscribers. That's why I added "CBS (Premiere)" to the network field, meaning the premiere will also be shown on "normal" CBS (by the way, in a slightly different version with cuts when someone swears and because of advertisement). That's the fact, and if you delete this addition, the data on TMDb doesn't include this one time special broadcast on "normal" CBS.

I mean, I know this is just a tiny little thing and not really that relevant and much to discuss about. But that's how it will be, and the data here on TMDb should reflect that somehow. I think.

I'm not a big fan of rumoured content, unless from official sources (main actors/network/producers Twitter feeds for example). But besides that, just wait for the press releases. And if someone watches that episodes and notices those people aren't credited (as guest star, co-star whatever) than I am sure they'll delete them. At least I do. Unless it's a famous person's cameo like Stan Lee in marvel movies xD Than it's OK,. but otherwise, we don't like false data (or I mean, data that cannot be verified).

Okay, I understand what you mean. But I think what you do is fundamentally wrong for the reasons I explained in my earlier post.

Most of the episodes you linked have titles -- than again I cannot be sure why David Holden deleted the entries, it was just a guess based on previous experiences.

Again, I understand what you mean, that the (unwritten) rule for contributors is to start the process when an episode title is confirmed. But again, I think this rule is fundamentally wrong for the reasons I explained in my earlier post.

I've deleted those duplicate images, thanks for pointing it out, beats me why he didn't delete it in the first place :-P Maybe because they are slightly different (same position, but a bit more zoomed in/out, differently cropped, but that difference it to minimal for it not to be a duplicate in my eyes.

Thank you for doing that!

Best wishes,

janar

"Love [...] is the most incredible gift to give and to receive as a human being." - Ellen Page

CBS is a network = the "normal" CBS. The series premiere (= episode 1), and only this premiere, airs also on "normal" CBS this coming Sunday before/at the same time that episode 1 will be available on CBS All Access for subscribers. That's why I added "CBS (Premiere)" to the network field, meaning the premiere will also be shown on "normal" CBS (by the way, in a slightly different version with cuts when someone swears and because of advertisement). That's the fact, and if you delete this addition, the data on TMDb doesn't include this one time special broadcast on "normal" CBS.

I know, I'm aware of that, but we don't list such special broadcasts any more than we list dubs or re-releases, or showing on a festival I'm afraid. If a show starts airing on CBS though, and after a season or some moves to the CW for example, we list both CBS and the CW in the Networks list, but since CBS All Access is the prime network, and the airing on CBS is at the same time and just for promotional reasons, we don't list it.

Okay, I think I understand what you and Marr are saying. But I disagree with your approach completely.

That's fair. But please understand we're just trying to help you. It was a common practice way before our time. The same thing happened to me when I started editing. I just had to change my mentality a little bit and realized there's no rush.

that the (unwritten) rule for contributors

Many of our rules/practices are not written down, but that's another issue.

And what about the people who want to know more about future episodes weeks before? What about the people who read or heard something from somewhere and want to share this info by contributing it?

I dunno but for me database rhyme with accurate and verified data. But maybe they can talk about it in /discuss ?

@alltimemarr @banana_girl

Okay, I'll try to adapt and see where it's going. Thanks to you both for the discussion and your explanations!

Best wishes,

janar

"Love [...] is the most incredible gift to give and to receive as a human being." - Ellen Page