Extra Details: The image on episode 20 should be on episode 21
So, I looked into the change activity -> you started re-adjusting all episodes of seasons 5 starting with episode 3 by making "Thumb War" a double entry. Can you tell me why you did this? What's your source?
I see that TVDb has this episode as a double entry, but Wikipedia does not. The important question is: How did it air originally?!? Can you please find out!
After your changes, this season looks partly like a mess now. Because you didn't change IMDb and TVDb ID's within the entries, for example! It would've been better to wait with the changes until you knew for sure what you were doing ...
I used google because everytime i tried to play episode 20 i got message chair, when i play episode 21 i got the musical. I never change IMDB or TVDb ids. I do know what i am doing because i have added a lot of episodes and seasons to shows that havent been updated in sometime. I have a screen shot of TVDb and it shows exactly what i have put in. minus the episode 22 which i asked to be deleted. It was aired 2 episodes back to back. a lot of the episodes are aired this way. i have checked through my player and all the episodes i have on there are correct. if you change them back then it will be messed up.
I used google because everytime i tried to play episode 20 i got message chair, when i play episode 21 i got the musical.
Okay, this is some basic information for you: TMDb is a database for a huge number of different people -> not for you alone! When you change some data here on TMDb, it will be changed for all those other people, too. And many of those other people don't use the same player (= third party software) that you do. So your changes will effect and confuse those other people massively! Are you aware of that?
Please, for the future: If you encounter such a problem again, please send us a report BEFORE you change anything this major! Please do not sabotage good data to fit your needs without contacting us first - we might fix things when it turns out to be wrong. And if it's alright according to our rules, you should adapt yourself to the way our data is formatted - not the other way around. This is important, because TMDb is for all of us - you have to be aware of that!
I never change IMDB or TVDb ids. I do know what i am doing because i have added a lot of episodes and seasons to shows that havent been updated in sometime.
You obviously don't understand what I mean and what you did wrong. Your goal was to insert 1 episode into an existing season of episodes - but your strategy was the wrong one! I'll give you an example and explain it to you - please try to understand each step!
This is the change activity of the episode that you reported here.
2.) Now, scroll down and look at what the other 2 users did before you changed anything:
user "Magitroopa" created the episode and added title (Henry Danger: The Musical), air date, production code, TVDb ID, IMDb ID, overview and a backdrop. Later they changed the ID's and added another backdrop.
user "TeenActorFan" added half a dozen guest stars to this episode, the writer and director, and a link to a video clip for this episode.
Let me state this: All this data was correct at this point of time regarding this episode!
3.) Now, look at what you changed 2 days ago:
you changed the air date
you changed the title
you changed the overview
That's all you did. You did nothing else. Do you see now what you did wrong?
4.) Here's what you didn't do:
you did not update the production code - it's now wrong
you did not update the TVDb ID - it's now wrong
you did not update the IMDb ID - it's now wrong
you did not move all the guest stars to the correct episode - now they might be all wrong
you did not move the writer and director to the correct episode - now they might be both wrong
you did not report to us that the video link has to be moved - now it's wrong
Do you see now what you did wrong? And this is only 1 episode -> it's similar for all the other episodes that you changed!
5.) Before you started this whole process, you should have thought more carefully about your strategy of inserting an episode! The strategy that you used was wrong, because this way you have to move too much data which causes major difficulties and which involves our (= the moderators) help. A different strategy would've been sooooo much easier: increase the episode numbers, starting at the end!
You could have increased the episode no. of episode 20 to 21, 19 to 20, 18 to 19, 17 to 18, 16 to 17, 15 to 16, 14 to 15, 13 to 14, 12 to 13, 11 to 12, 10 to 11, 9 to 10, 8 to 9, 7 to 8, 6 to 7, 5 to 6, 4 to 5 -> and then there would have been a gap for the missing episode 4. And then you create just episode 4 from scratch and rename episode 3. Done. No data moving around, and all the existing data untouched. That's the smart startegy in such a case.
Do you understand now what you did wrong?!?
I have a screen shot of TVDb and it shows exactly what i have put in. minus the episode 22 which i asked to be deleted. It was aired 2 episodes back to back. a lot of the episodes are aired this way.
TMDb does not follow TVDb. We have our own rules, and those rules are stated in the Contribution Bible:
"Episodes should be added exactly as they first aired on the original network (title, date, order, season)."
We always try to use original sources - and TVDb is not an original source. Regarding "Henry Danger", that's extremely hard to achieve, because of two things that are also explained in the Bible:
1.) "Be extra careful with sitcoms, kid series and documentary series. The episodes often air in a different order than produced."
2.) "For newer series, we try to mirror how the episodes were first released on the original network's website. When different, the data on the official website usually trumps press releases and TV listing info."
Nickelodeon has a terrible website -> it's hard to find anything on there. And the production order of Herny Danger is different from the order the show aired - it's confusing.
In other words: This needs a lot of research and a better source than TVDb! For example, the following YouTube clip teases the episode "Thumb War" as a "1 Hour Special" - not a split double episode:
At the moment, I'm not sure how this should be added here on TMDb -> it's obviously more complicated and needs research!
i have checked through my player and all the episodes i have on there are correct. if you change them back then it will be messed up.
You can always correct your player, don't you? By the way: How does your player show the episode "Thumb War"? Is it 1 episode with 1 pair of credits, or 2 parts with 2 pairs of credits?!?
the show has 2 seperate episodes. and i am sorry for all of this. but this isnt my first correction or add. and i will start looking at the id's and what not.
well i just tried episode 20 and it is message chair. when i had 21 episodes the musical actually played. i have tried 24 links from my player and all of them for episode 20 is message chair not musical.
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Reply by janar
on August 8, 2019 at 1:35 PM
@dont1982 wrote:
Thanks for your report!
So, I looked into the change activity -> you started re-adjusting all episodes of seasons 5 starting with episode 3 by making "Thumb War" a double entry. Can you tell me why you did this? What's your source?
I see that TVDb has this episode as a double entry, but Wikipedia does not. The important question is: How did it air originally?!? Can you please find out!
After your changes, this season looks partly like a mess now. Because you didn't change IMDb and TVDb ID's within the entries, for example! It would've been better to wait with the changes until you knew for sure what you were doing ...
So, how did it air originally?!?
Reply by dont1982
on August 8, 2019 at 5:56 PM
I used google because everytime i tried to play episode 20 i got message chair, when i play episode 21 i got the musical. I never change IMDB or TVDb ids. I do know what i am doing because i have added a lot of episodes and seasons to shows that havent been updated in sometime. I have a screen shot of TVDb and it shows exactly what i have put in. minus the episode 22 which i asked to be deleted. It was aired 2 episodes back to back. a lot of the episodes are aired this way. i have checked through my player and all the episodes i have on there are correct. if you change them back then it will be messed up.
Reply by janar
on August 9, 2019 at 4:57 AM
@dont1982 wrote:
Okay, this is some basic information for you: TMDb is a database for a huge number of different people -> not for you alone! When you change some data here on TMDb, it will be changed for all those other people, too. And many of those other people don't use the same player (= third party software) that you do. So your changes will effect and confuse those other people massively! Are you aware of that?
Please, for the future: If you encounter such a problem again, please send us a report BEFORE you change anything this major! Please do not sabotage good data to fit your needs without contacting us first - we might fix things when it turns out to be wrong. And if it's alright according to our rules, you should adapt yourself to the way our data is formatted - not the other way around. This is important, because TMDb is for all of us - you have to be aware of that!
You obviously don't understand what I mean and what you did wrong. Your goal was to insert 1 episode into an existing season of episodes - but your strategy was the wrong one! I'll give you an example and explain it to you - please try to understand each step!
1.) Look at the following page:
https://www.themoviedb.org/tv/61852-henry-danger/season/5/episode/20/changes
This is the change activity of the episode that you reported here.
2.) Now, scroll down and look at what the other 2 users did before you changed anything:
Let me state this: All this data was correct at this point of time regarding this episode!
3.) Now, look at what you changed 2 days ago:
That's all you did. You did nothing else. Do you see now what you did wrong?
4.) Here's what you didn't do:
Do you see now what you did wrong? And this is only 1 episode -> it's similar for all the other episodes that you changed!
5.) Before you started this whole process, you should have thought more carefully about your strategy of inserting an episode! The strategy that you used was wrong, because this way you have to move too much data which causes major difficulties and which involves our (= the moderators) help. A different strategy would've been sooooo much easier: increase the episode numbers, starting at the end!
You could have increased the episode no. of episode 20 to 21, 19 to 20, 18 to 19, 17 to 18, 16 to 17, 15 to 16, 14 to 15, 13 to 14, 12 to 13, 11 to 12, 10 to 11, 9 to 10, 8 to 9, 7 to 8, 6 to 7, 5 to 6, 4 to 5 -> and then there would have been a gap for the missing episode 4. And then you create just episode 4 from scratch and rename episode 3. Done. No data moving around, and all the existing data untouched. That's the smart startegy in such a case.
Do you understand now what you did wrong?!?
TMDb does not follow TVDb. We have our own rules, and those rules are stated in the Contribution Bible:
https://www.themoviedb.org/bible/tv/59f743289251416e71000037
"Episodes should be added exactly as they first aired on the original network (title, date, order, season)."
We always try to use original sources - and TVDb is not an original source. Regarding "Henry Danger", that's extremely hard to achieve, because of two things that are also explained in the Bible:
1.) "Be extra careful with sitcoms, kid series and documentary series. The episodes often air in a different order than produced."
2.) "For newer series, we try to mirror how the episodes were first released on the original network's website. When different, the data on the official website usually trumps press releases and TV listing info."
Nickelodeon has a terrible website -> it's hard to find anything on there. And the production order of Herny Danger is different from the order the show aired - it's confusing.
In other words: This needs a lot of research and a better source than TVDb! For example, the following YouTube clip teases the episode "Thumb War" as a "1 Hour Special" - not a split double episode:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zvi2a0JPA6M
At the moment, I'm not sure how this should be added here on TMDb -> it's obviously more complicated and needs research!
You can always correct your player, don't you? By the way: How does your player show the episode "Thumb War"? Is it 1 episode with 1 pair of credits, or 2 parts with 2 pairs of credits?!?
Reply by dont1982
on August 9, 2019 at 12:50 PM
the show has 2 seperate episodes. and i am sorry for all of this. but this isnt my first correction or add. and i will start looking at the id's and what not.
Reply by Banana
on August 9, 2019 at 6:28 PM
fyi I reverted the changes @dont1982 made to S5 and Thumb War appears to be a single episode.
Reply by janar
on August 10, 2019 at 2:10 AM
@dont1982 wrote:
Yes, please do this in the future and be more aware of other user's contributions!
@banana_girl wrote:
Thank you!
I was looking for a page like this one but I was not able to find it!
I think I can close this report now ...
Reply by dont1982
on August 13, 2019 at 9:40 PM
well i just tried episode 20 and it is message chair. when i had 21 episodes the musical actually played. i have tried 24 links from my player and all of them for episode 20 is message chair not musical.