As was the case in some other episodes, they screwed up some speed-of-light stuff here. Supposedly the fleets would have been destroyed by a supernova, but even a supernova doesn't exceed the speed of light. So all the ships could have escaped at just Warp One.
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Reply by Knixon
on April 18, 2020 at 1:07 AM
I can enjoy it for what it is, and still understand and appreciate how it could have been done better. And usually quite simply.
Reply by Nexus71
on April 18, 2020 at 1:19 AM
Sure but as you already stated it was a simulation and was the simulation's objective to train cadets in stellar cartography or was the purpose to test cadets in dealing with a no win scenario?Also the whole purpose to have the incident take place on another location than the actual location may be done to watch cadets deal with the unexpected or that it might not allow Cadets to prepare too much for the test which would affect a cadets reaction and ability to deal with such matters otherwise why would Kirk do the exact same test three times? My guess is they change the location for the KM scenario and maybe even the whole situation where in other simulations The Romulans are the opponent.Maybe the KM is just one of many different scenarios but the test became known as the Kobayashi Maru test because that scenario's just happens to be known among cadets because of the reputation it had.Remember Spock remarks to Kirk after the test "The Kobayashi Maru scenario frequently wreaks havoc on students and equipment".
Reply by Knixon
on April 18, 2020 at 5:10 PM
Kobayashi Maru is just the name of the ship they're supposed to rescue. The setting could be anywhere, but the point is always the same: there is, at least in theory, no way to win.
Reply by Nexus71
on April 18, 2020 at 6:05 PM
I can imagine various other no-win scenarios
Reply by Knixon
on April 18, 2020 at 6:31 PM
Well sure, that's easy. But all they need is one, to make the point.
Reply by Nexus71
on April 20, 2020 at 4:47 AM
Why ?do you you need to know all the various types of simulations is it in any way related to the story of the movie?
Reply by Nexus71
on April 20, 2020 at 6:47 PM
And the whole point is......?
Reply by znexyish
on April 20, 2020 at 7:01 PM
It's also set hundreds of years in the future. So like future physics. Cool huh!
Reply by Knixon
on April 20, 2020 at 7:09 PM
Even if it turns out that in reality, some natural phenomena can (slightly?) exceed the speed of light, we're talking about Star Trek. As far as THEY were concerned, no natural phenomena could exceed the speed of light. Kirk and Spock both said so very specifically, in one episode. From "The Lights Of Zetar:"
Also, even if the mentioned experiments turn out to be true, that's not Warp Factor Two Point Six, which would be over 4 times the speed of light, or over 8 times, depending on which scale you use.
Reply by Knixon
on April 20, 2020 at 7:22 PM
They exceed the speed of light all the time, on all of these shows.
But they claimed, at least for a while, that nobody could exceed warp 10. (Although TOS did it several times, but it can be argued they were using a different scale.)
What they did in the "salamander episode" was exceed warp 10.
Reply by znexyish
on April 20, 2020 at 7:26 PM
Yes they exceeded warp 9 or 10 or infinity miles per hour or something like that and become the hardly advanced species of giant space salamander in what many consider one of the worst episodes in all of Star Trek. "Threshhold".
Reply by Knixon
on April 20, 2020 at 8:21 PM
Threshold the series, on the other hand, was pretty good.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VN6SE1XYkb0
Starring "Data" among others.
It seems to be sped up a bit, which is why the voices are a bit weird.
Besides that, it's another example of how people can - and should - still come up with something actually new, rather than just defecate a script and call it "Star Trek."
Reply by Knixon
on April 20, 2020 at 9:47 PM
Just not popular enough, apparently. It had not so much of a cliffhanger season finale though, so it wasn't as big of a disappointment as some when it turned out to be the series finale.
"Salvation" lasted two seasons, and at least to me it was okay until right at the end. Or what turned out to be the end, anyway. It was also obviously intended to go for at least one more season, but it didn't. The way they changed things at what turned out to be the end, though, it's probably just as well. Like what Sheldon Cooper thought of the end of "Alphas."
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ryi2o3wmH6E
followed by:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zqJUg0DYuT8
Reply by Knixon
on April 20, 2020 at 10:22 PM
I remember reading at the time that the end of Threshold had been changed, but not when I wrote the earlier comment. It would be interesting to know how it was originally supposed to end for the season finale, but I don't remember ever finding that, if it exists. Maybe Sheldon should call Brandon Braga and ask him!
Reply by Nexus71
on April 21, 2020 at 12:29 AM
If we are going to talk about flawed physics why not discuss STD the whole thing about a signal coming from 25,000 lightyears and USS Discovery arriving in time at the place of the signals origin to see the source fade out which is impossible that signal was sent 25,000 years ago in a time that Humans still wore bear skins and used primitive tools.So unless Discovery besides travelling great distances also is able to travel back in time that whole premise is impossible.