Item: Looking
Language: en-US
Type of Problem: Bad_image
Extra Details: I think this English image poster uploaded by Elizabeth Jennings appears squished/skewed (and should be removed?). This is what I compared it to which is from here.
I dunno if this matters, but it also looks like it is noticeable that the image has been edited at the bottom (to remove text I'm assuming).
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Odpowiedź użytkownika lineker
3 grudnia 2018 o godz. 4:48PM
I first compared it to the original poster template and could not see any obvious distortion. It's always tricky to compare different crops and especially when one is a backdrop. I then created a decent comparison poster from the backdrop and I still think the poster your reported is fine, but take a look and see what you think.
Odpowiedź użytkownika tmdb24407783
3 grudnia 2018 o godz. 5:03PM
I don't know if it's a optical illusion (or something to that effect) but to me, it still looks like the man in the middle has his face squished (made narrower) in the image I reported in comparison to BOTH that original poster template AND your decent comparison poster made from that backdrop I provided.
I mean it looks okay enough (as in, it doesn't look obviously distorted), but when you compare it, I notice a changing in the proportions of the man's head.
(I might get out some math skils and see whether or not the proportions of the man's head has changed).
Also, what about the noticeable blurriness at the bottom of the image?
Odpowiedź użytkownika lineker
3 grudnia 2018 o godz. 5:09PM
Let's wait for another opinion then. But I'm pretty sure it's an illusion. Look at the poster in full size and then the backdrop in regular size (and perhaps also at full size) and the heads appear to be identical.
I think it looks good, but perhaps another moderator disagrees. When it's done bad it's usually the first thing you notice, but here it blends in very well.
Odpowiedź użytkownika tmdb24407783
3 grudnia 2018 o godz. 7:15PM
So does that mean this English image poster I uploaded has been distorted?
Also, this image has had a significant change in color/tone when I cropped it using Paint.net. I'm still looking into how one might be able to fix this issue, any help from you would be much appreciated. This is the original image.
Odpowiedź użytkownika Banana
3 grudnia 2018 o godz. 10:03PM
I think I see it! When you compare them at similar-ish sizes, they do look a bit different. And I believe this deleted poster has similar proportions?
Are they really the original colors?
Odpowiedź użytkownika tmdb24407783
3 grudnia 2018 o godz. 10:22PM
I mean, it does look strange doesn't it (what the poster looks like- the one I uploaded which has had the color change, looks more plausible as the real thing). Haha, I honestly don't know, and I'm not looking to find out at this very moment (see what I did there ). Maybe, later when I get a few zzz's.
Maybe this is the original colors? I'll look into this later (possibly).
Odpowiedź użytkownika lineker
4 grudnia 2018 o godz. 4:33AM
Were those the original images compared or the one from the previous post compared to the original? If the first, yes that does look convincing. Does it mean the original template was distorted?
Odpowiedź użytkownika Banana
4 grudnia 2018 o godz. 4:49AM
@lineker I compared the reported poster and your "decent comparison poster". I didn't look into the possible sources/official artwork though. So I'm not sure how one image ended up being distorted.
Odpowiedź użytkownika lineker
4 grudnia 2018 o godz. 5:08AM
We need a comparison image of the actor from a different setting to see the head shape*. It's actually possible that the official backdrop could be the distorted one. What is your gut feeling?
*I remember a case of a profile image where I was sure that it was distorted and then it was just an unusual head shape (which I noticed when I looked at other images of the person). It made me feel very bad.
Odpowiedź użytkownika tmdb24407783
4 grudnia 2018 o godz. 10:42AM
Does it matter what the actor's head shape actually is? Isn't what matters, figuring out which images are official, and removing (unofficial) images that appear distorted FROM those official images? In other words, even if an image is more accurate to what the actor's face shape is, it should still be removed if it's not an official image- i.e. if it appears distorted FROM the official images.
I think even if the official images have their actor's head shape distored (to look a different shape than their actual head), those are the ones that should be kept on the db- there's nothing wrong with images not being "realistic"- as long as they are the official images being used for the show, right?
Odpowiedź użytkownika lineker
4 grudnia 2018 o godz. 11:43AM
A user argued once that we should keep low quality images if they are official. That is of course something we would never do. Quality comes first on TMDb! I just mentioned that example as a curiosity, something that came into my mind when thinking about the head shape of the actor.
With distortion it can be trickier. I remember a few cases where the only good available poster was distorted in the original design (and I decided not to delete those, maybe someone else would be stricter). However, if we have - say - four official images without distortion and one with distortion I would not hesitate to remove the bad image (even if it's an official one). So, in the end, knowing how an actor is supposed to look could be very helpful when making a decision such as this one.
Are you thinking of an example of a character looking into a mirror and seeing a distorted version of themselves? Or a high quality still from a dream sequence with deliberate distortion? If so, yes. But if it's just someone at a distribution company making a mistake when editing, I don't think it matters per my example above. A more confusing example would be if there were several official posters and backdrops and all were distorted. That would really scare me.
Normally when I investigate I check all available posters and backdrops, but I didn't do it in this case. So if someone with a more thorough view of the art added for this series wants to make the final decision I would be all for it!
Odpowiedź użytkownika tmdb24407783
4 grudnia 2018 o godz. 12:09PM
Both the reported poster and the official backdrop are good quality. It appears this, this other posters I found, and this poster you, @lineker , found are also good quality.
The posters I found, and the poster you found do not look distorted in comparison to each other AND does not look distorted from the official backdrop I found. The reported poster appears distorted in comparison to the posters you and I found AND distorted in comparison to the official backdrop I found (or at least appears so, to me- and to @banana_girl ?).
My question was, (assuming other things equal- i.e. images are all high quality- and aren't the ones we're talking about here all high quality?) shouldn't official images be kept over unofficial images, even if the official images have been photoshopped (from an original photoshoot)?
I mean, we can't tell whether it was "just someone at a distribution company making a mistake when editing" or if the distortion was intentional, right? Maybe you can, I dunno, but I would guess there's no way to tell if it was intentional or not. Or are you saying photos from original photoshoots are never intentionally photoshopped (i.e. distorted) in the process of making official images for tv shows? (That if the official images have been distorted from the original photoshoot photos, it's always accidental/a "mistake"?).
I don't know if the reported image is official or unofficial, and I don't know if the images I found are official. However, you describe the one you found as "the original poster template " (original = official?).
Odpowiedź użytkownika lineker
4 grudnia 2018 o godz. 12:44PM
I don't really have time to dig in more. I'll leave it to someone else to decide.
My only concern when looking at the image comparison Banana made is that the distorted image appears to be the one I created from the backdrop, which would indicate that the backdrop is bad. But maybe I misunderstood which image was first and second in that comparison. Or I just lost my eye for finding out these things.
It was an official DVD cover, yes. But I'm stepping out of this discussion now. This should be a simple case. Find the bad images and delete them. But I don't really have the energy or the image programs to make the best comparisons. In this case it's also a factor that the person who added the image you reported is one of the top image experts on TMDb (at least that has been my impression since I got here), which is why I wanted to be 100 percent sure before deleting it. Mistakes happen, even for the best, yes, but I still prefer to be sure before deleting such an image.
Odpowiedź użytkownika tmdb24407783
11 lutego 2019 o godz. 5:43AM
Bumping topic
Odpowiedź użytkownika lineker
18 marca 2019 o godz. 12:28PM
Don't get your hopes up! I'm still out, but I noticed another variation was added after the initial discussion. Maybe it will help: https://image.tmdb.org/t/p/original/yW4DGjQxdbs8IUpdoiYVtp63W6t.jpg