Discussão The Ray Bradbury Theater

Item: Ιστορίες του Μπράντμπερι

Language: el-GR

Type of Problem: Incorrect_content

Extra Details: You should unlock country of origin for me to correct it. It's a co-production of several countries and not only a U.S. one.

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Production countries should be added here.

Ok, just a minute... "Country of origin" means the country that any production originated. "Origin" is about the countries that include the production companies which they produced each film/TV show/whatever. It's about the countries that "gave birth" to each production. That's why you have that entry beside "Language" and in the same page you have "Spoken Languages". Because if we have a multinational production we might have a multilingual production too and those entries had to be for editing in the same page. That's why you can add more than one productions that was originated, if many companies of those countries involved. As "Wikipedia" clearly states: "Country of origin represents the country or countries of manufacture, production, design, or brand origin where an article or product comes from. For multinational brands, country of origin may include multiple countries within the value-creation process.". The other link you gave me is an extra page for adding again those countries but with more information including specific networks & companies that produced each production, in case each feeder (contributor) knows them. Countries with their release dates are irrelevant and we register those in a different page.

As it was already indicated to you in another report, our usage of the "origine country" field is available here in a December 8, 2021 message.

I quote : "The origin country field is not the same as production country. It has been present on TV since 2015 or so. The introduction of the origin country field on movies is intended to bring field parity between TV and movie data and designed to indicate where a movie is originally released. This has generally nothing to do with the production countries (point is, although they are the same sometimes, they are certainly not all the time)."

We aren't Wikipedia. Each site has its own set of rules. The thing that is called "Origin country" on Wikipedia is called "Production countries" on our site and is the field indicated by Rebecca.

You have your own rules but you will not reinvent the wheel nor will you invent the English language from scratch. The word "origin" has to do with place of birth and this is the only internationally accepted interpretation. You are making rules by reinventing the English language? Really? There isn't any other interpretation unless you come from a different planet. In our case, origin has to do with the companies that have been created ("gave birth") each production. Nothing more, nothing less.

@Almuric said:

You have your own rules but you will not reinvent the wheel nor will you invent the English language from scratch. The word "origin" has to do with place of birth and this is the only internationally accepted interpretation. There isn't any other unless you come from a different planet. In our case, origin has to do with the companies that created each production. Nothing more, nothing less.

Here, "origin" means "original release".

@superboy97 said:

Here, "origin" means "original release".

Correct. Another common error is that some users add the countries where a movie was shot as the production countries (likely based on terminology from IMDb). Still to this day you can come across older movies with this incorrect information added.

It was "originally released" from many countries then as a multinational production. What is this that you cannot understand? I don't mean countries that was shot, but from those that through their production companies, each production was produced. Countries with their companies that payed for the production to be done. You mean that there aren't multinational productions in any production created? :) There are filming locations in "IMDB" but in a different section involving countries/places that each productions was shot. In our case, this one: https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0088591/locations

It was originally released on the United States network HBO.

No it wasn't. "HBO" was just the distributor company for the first two seasons only in U.S. but it started on Canada in two other networks, "First Choice" (today as "Crave") and "Superchannel" (today as "Movie Central"). Seasons 3-4 were not even distributed from "HBO" but from "USA Network". The production companies were "Alberta Filmworks", "Atlantis Films", "Ellipse Animation" & "Granada Television".

The first broadcast took place on HBO. Consequently, this is the original release.

Just a minute... So you mean that "country of origin" has to do with the first distribution? And why you have that entry in the same page with spoken languages? It really doesn't make any sense at all... You should have the production companies with the spoken languages and not the first country that each production was released, cause such entry does not have the same weight and importance as the rest main data of a production, putting the companies that produced it digested in another section... That's wrong and that is the reason any feeder is confused. Data of first released country are irrelevant. Even like this, countless productions were originally released (same date) in plenty of countries simultaneously. At least you have to name this "country of original release" or something like that, but I insist that this entry is not belong with the other important data as title, duration and spoken languages. It's wrong.

I agree with Mandrake. And I also would add, this field is extremely useful to classify movies. For example, "Spanish Movies" vs "Latin Movies" is a scenario where in both cases we have "Spanish" as original_language value (although "Castillian Spanish" and "Latin Spanish" are not the same, both are recognized as "spa"). The same movie may have "mixed" production_countries (for example AR, US, ES, MX). At this point is impossible to know exactly if the movie is Spanish from Spain or from South America (they speak with Mexican tongue, Argentinian, etc). Here is where original_country would be very powerful to distinguish these movies easily: if it's MX then Latin, if it's ES then Spanish. I said "would be" because unfortunately right now this field is not delivered in any API endpoint. I really hope this change in the future.

@xeviff said:

I agree with Mandrake. And I also would add, this field is extremely useful to classify movies. For example, "Spanish Movies" vs "Latin Movies" is a scenario where in both cases we have "Spanish" as original_language value (although "Castillian Spanish" and "Latin Spanish" are not the same, both are recognized as "spa"). The same movie may have "mixed" production_countries (for example AR, US, ES, MX). At this point is impossible to know exactly if the movie is Spanish from Spain or from South America (they speak with Mexican tongue, Argentinian, etc). Here is where original_country would be very powerful to distinguish these movies easily: if it's MX then Latin, if it's ES then Spanish. I said "would be" because unfortunately right now this field is not delivered in any API endpoint. I really hope this change in the future.

Besides that, in that field you can add more than one countries! If it was created for country of premiere, why was it made this way? To show what? Many premieres worldwide? In a web movie of today's platforms like "Netflix", "Disney+", "Prime Video", "Hulu" etc. it might work but ONLY on such cases and you have, of course, to register ALL countries that have premiered silmutaneously in that field! This is totally wrong because nobody cares about a field that records the country that originally distributed, when you have all data you want on "Release Information" page with every detail.

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