Ciao Sunshine,

Have you seen In The Name Of The Rose ? Great movie where Connery plays a Medieval monk/ Sherlock Holmes .

Have you hear about the ruling in Johnny Depp's case ?

Ciao Nex !

Yes I heard late last night .. I followed the trial because Elon Musk was involved as third party ( it was my EM crush moment )

...that said I personally think both need psychiatric help. What is you opinion?

I saw Depp in Mr.Grape.... and I enjoyed it ...I have not seen anything else .. I don't like actors that make " over the top acting" their trademark ...

I have not see " In the Name of The Rose " ..I have read postive feedback on the internet, though.

Well it seems to me Depp is the victim of domestic abuse there are numerous examples in the court case that show this (the infamous recordings) where we clearly hear Depp trying to diffuse the violence by getting away from Amber and her continuous antagonizing,bullying and harassment of Johnny not to mention her putting out cigarettes on him and nearly costing him a finger so she is abusing him both mentally and physically .Also his previous wives/partners have come on the witness stand and have come out that it is nothing like Johnny to abuse women but very much the opposite .Plus there are numerous witnesses who have declared under oath that they came in on situations where Amber was the abuser and these so called photos of "injuries" (no not of the poo she did in Johnny's bed) of Amber are questionable to begin with even police didn't think there was much credit to this story otherwise they would have taken her to the bureau to file a complaint and take photos and do a medical report of the injuries as evidence.Seems like more and more Johnny got suckered in by Heard only to elevate her status in Hollywood and to get some of his money (she also had an affair with Musk while being married to Johnny).Even her own family including her sister have come to the witness stand and said they were afraid Amber was going to kill Johnny and not the mention the fact that Heard has a previous record of domestic abuse since there are police reports on her where she abused the woman she was previously in a relationship with prior to Johnny.She also used the story of a real domestic abuse victim and reported it as her own experience so she lies with every breath she can muster as far as I am concerned.

But it seems like Depp is now a victim of abuse and the current prevailing woke climate where it seems Depp never had much of a chance to begin with since no Judge is going to convict the poster girl for the female victims of domestic abuse movement and #MeToo because that would contradict the current prevailing assessment that all men are racist,wife bashing,sexual predatory homophobes. The judge in London could at least given Heard 5 years for perjury only which she committed on several occasions during the trial (even though the case was between The Sun and Depp) but I guess he got a memo from Rupert Murdoch.Also the judge IMO did Johnny a great disservice by not acknowledging Depp being a victim of abuse since this will send out a message to most other men who are a victim of domestic abuse not to file a complaint because no matter the overwhelming evidence you have of you being the abused in the current climate only the word of a woman is going to be believed and that is a shame because it would have broken the taboo of men being the victims of domestic abuse.

by nex:

Well it seems to me Depp is the victim of domestic abuse there are numerous examples in the court case that show this (the infamous recordings) where we clearly hear Depp trying to diffuse the violence by getting away from Amber and her continuous antagonizing, bullying and harassment of Johnny not to mention her putting out cigarettes

First off you are far more informed than me ...I followed what was said on the Italian news ... on the internet, there was a lot of repetitions... I have no doubt that Amber abused Depp verbally and physically on occasions but idem goes for Depp towards Heard.

when he was drunk and under the influence of drugs he lost it and was aggressive .... the Italian news yesterday said that out of 14 incidents that Heard brought in her defense, the judges found that, at least for 12 cases, enough evidence was presented to confirm Depp was guilty of serious domestic violence against his then-wife, causing significant injury and leading her to fear for her life.

According to Heard the finger incident occurred after she had been confined for three days against her will in a hotel apartment ....in Australia , I believe.

You say she was a gold digger ...I don't doubt that her acting career had a boost after her marriage with the actor .. it's also true that she donated 7 million dollars to charity ( money she received as part of her divorce settlement from Depp).

I do think the judge should have pointed out Heard's aggressive behaviour too ... which was not mentioned at all at least during the news report, I heard.

As for her affaire with Elon Musk , my understanding was that Heard started to be intimate with Elon only after she had filed for divorce. Also during the trial, Depp showed some quite aggressive behaviour towards Elon saying he would cut off his manhood

Seems that the fighting is not over ...there will be a trial in the USA... maybe Depp will have more luck overseas.

You say that this verdict is a disservice to those men who suffer abuse ... I think Depp's case is different .....Yes, Depp was abused but he also was an abuser ... so I hope they dont identify themselves in him...men that are abused are totally helpless and incapable of reacting against their abuser...I feel more for them.

Those 14 accounts where the judge found Depp guilty of where all disproven by a huge amount of material that the defense of Johnny had put forward to disprove all these accusations the judge for some unknown reason choose to ignore but the material included sworn statements of police,medical personnel ,eyewitnesses,co-workers, friends of Depp,Heard's family and (by now ) ex friends of Amber who all claimed that Amber was clearly the abuser. Johnny may have his issues with drinking and the occasional cannabis but he is not the boozing,coke snorting wife beater Amber portrays him in fact listening to the tapes makes it very clear that Johnny is trying to prevent everything from escalating and when he is trying to get away from Amber she gets furious and abusive.Also and this comes directly from Heard saying this on the tape that she is going to say when Johnny divorces her that she is going to say he abused her and that nobody is going to believe him and she basically confesses on many occasions where Amber Heard says she started the violence against Johnny.If Johnny ever raised a fist against Amber ,which I doubt judging from the testimonies of both Winona Ryder and Vanessa Paradis who testified that Johnny wouldn't hurt a fly,it was in self-defence after Amber assaulted him.

by Nex:

Those 14 accounts where the judge found Depp guilty of where all disproven by a huge amount of material that the defense of Johnny had put forward to disprove all these accusations the judge for some unknown reason choose to ignore but the material included sworn statements of police, medical personnel, eyewitnesses, co-workers, friends of Depp, Heard's family and (by now ) ex friends of Amber who all claimed that Amber was clearly the abuser.

So what you are saying is that the Judge failed to do his job honestly ...that he closed an eye on the blatant evidence... maybe Heard has bewitched the judge or the Sun corrupted /paid him to ignore the facts that surfaced during the trial??

If Johnny ever raised a fist against Amber, which I doubt judging from the testimonies of both Winona Ryder and Vanessa Paradis who testified that Johnny wouldn't hurt a fly,it was in self-defense after Amber assaulted him

Wouldn't hurt a fly ????.... he did threaten Musk ..... I have also read that Depp has a documented history of trashing hotel rooms way before he even knew Heard ... so he has suffered bouts of uncontrolled anger...... nevertheless you think Depp is a non-violent drunkard and druggie and if he did ever raise a fist against Amber it was because he feared for his life?

I dont understand ... why didnt he just say enough and walk away? Many abused men are married and have kids so they don't see a way out .. There were no kids involved .... most of the time they weren't even together ( when he or she were shooting a film )...did he resist because he didnt want to be the one to divorce and pay alimony?

Do you think Depp's trial in the USA will go better?

There have been reports that the judge wasn't entirely kosher even The Sun wrote a piece about him being "corrupt",plus The Sun is owned by Rupert Murdoch so that will have something to do with it .But I guess he didn't dare or had orders from above not to convict The Sun or Heard in the current SJW/Woke /#MeToo climate since Amber Heard is a poster girl for that movement and we can't have an abusive person to be the spokes person for your organization.But from all I have read and seen there was a staggering amount of evidence against Heard and she should under any normal circumstances been convicted of at least for perjury and fabricating "evidence" on several occasions.

As for Depp yeah he has a history of having a drinking problem but as far as Heard is concerned she also has a history of drinking and drug abuse and smashing up hotel rooms is not the same as beating up your wife .As for the Elon Musk thing well maybe he threatened him because Heard was fucking Musk while she was still married to Depp plus there is evidence and testimony that Heard asked Musk to hire somebody to kill Johny .Amber is know in the industry for being bad news who has a history of abusive ,psychotic behaviour and most people in the industry say that she is dangerous,manipulative,evil and will do anything to get what she wants no matter what.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2KBFD0aoZy8

by Nex:

But I guess he didn't dare or had orders from above not to convict The Sun or Heard in the current SJW/Woke /#MeToo climate since Amber Heard is a poster girl for that movement and we can't have an abusive person to be the spokesperson for your organization

Well if that person is not worthy of the position/title she should be removed rather than have everyone live a lie.

As for Depp yeah he has a history of having a drinking problem but as far as Heard is concerned she also has a history of drinking and drug abuse and smashing up hotel rooms is not the same as beating up your wife.

You miss my point ...Depp is obviously capable of losing it, being destructive and extremely violent...and a person fuelled with such rage I find hard to believe did not lift a hand against Heard at one time or another ... ...to believe otherwise ( in my opinion) is just wishful thinking.

Also, Depp kept her confined for three days in a hotel ....personally, I would have acted aggressively to being "caged"..

I have no problem in saying Heard is psychologically unstable but you seemed willing to excuse, ignore Depp's faults.

Like I said ..why didnt Depp just say quits ??... most of the time they were separate, working on different sets anyway ... he could have left anytime?

As for the Elon Musk thing well maybe he threatened him because Heard was ******* Musk while she was still married to Depp

I would have understood had Depp, in the spur of the moment, threatened Musk but not nearly three years later .... com'on

And as I pointed out she started to be intimate with Musk after filing for divorce.. which means for her their marriage was done ...( it's likely that it was over also for Depp seeing he didn't confront Musk then.....people fight for those that mean something to them).

plus there is evidence and testimony that Heard asked Musk to hire somebody to kill Johny

Now, this is pure poppycock .. Musk offered to hire a bodyguard to keep her safe when she said she feared for her life ....

Elon Musk has a very passive character when it comes to his relationships...

a. he would never have acted on such a request

b.I seriously doubt that Heard asked Musk such a thing and if she did she would not have asked him with others present .... that is a fabrication.

Musk gave them both good advice months before the trial even started ..to bury the hatchet and move on.

Like I said to fully appreciate the finer details you have to watch the various Youtube videos by That Umbrella guy he has done various videos on the subject including actual court records ,audio tapes,photos etc etc and the guy seems to know a lot about legal stuff so he also provides legal explanation and framework.

@ to Nex.....

I was looking forward to hearing your opinion on the points I presented but no luck...I don't know who The Umbrella Man is .. but then knowing more details isn't going to explain why Depp just didn't say quits or why it took him three years to confront Musk ..etc

Anyways, thanks for the chat ... I enjoyed it ... as I enjoyed the song knix posted ..very appropriate.

With the weekend around the corner what have you planned???

As for Musk he seems to be a bit of an odd job to me Sunshine but he is no innocent "outsider" in this case in fact there is evidence both from sworn statements of inhabitants of the building where Johnny and Amber lived and from security camera footage which shows Musk and Heard having an affair as early as 1 month after Depp and Heard married. And Musk saying to go on with their lives is easy for him to say and he probably had ulterior motives since at that time it was not known since when Heard started seeing Musk .Another odd thing is that Musk is the one who challenged Depp into a cage-fight so I kind of doubt whether Depp is the aggressor here.also the statement of the bodyguard for her protection is not quite true as I believe there was a sworn statement by that same bodyguard where Heard had asked him if he or people he knew could "take care "of Depp.

As for the Depp being violent and smashing up hotels is something that Depp might have done prior to his marriage with Vanessa Paradis but after he got married I have heard very little to no stories of Depp being violent and even in his "wilder years" at least according to a sworn statement his ex fiance Winona Ryder Depp never showed signs of violence toward her or women which was later confirmed by a sworn statement of Vanessa Paradis .As for the later alcoholism and (possible drug use) I think an explanation can be found in the fact that he was under such stress of having an abusive wife together with the fact that a couple of years ago Depp got screwed over by his accountants that would have led many men on the path of alcoholism and drug use.But it is no where near the proportions that Heard claims when she had an "alleged photo show drug paraphernalia" she said were Johnny's turned out after some scrutiny to be her drug paraphernalia.

Why Heard hasn't been fired yet from the foundation or movement of which she is the face of or from Aquaman 2 has very much to do with the current climate in the film industry after the whole #MeToo/Harvey Weinstein developments a couple of years ago.After that Hollywood has gone in total the opposite partly because of they don't want another of such a scandal and (which I believe has far more to do with the actual reasons why current Hollywood has gone completely woke ) is that they don't want have the lit further raised because of what other seedy business is going on in Hollywood where women being abused by Studio executives is only the tip of the shit iceberg (things like famous and influential people in Hollywood running pedophile-rings and forced prostitution of young aspiring actresses and sex slave networks check interviews with Corey Feldman and the documentary Open Secret, Kubrick's Eyes Wide Shut 's orgy scenes of a secret high society cult aren't fictional ).So in that light they can't have anything question that Woke/SJW agenda because people might start digging deeper,and some are doing that but they get censored and ridiculed by the access media since they often are complicit or even take part in these activities .And since the case Depp-Heard directly contradicts the narrative that women are always the abused and the (white) men being the abuser they don't want Depp to win and do everything to tarnish his name. In the current political climate in Hollywood and the access media it is enough for a woman to say she was abused or sexually assaulted or that a man was too intimate(and whatever falls under that description) is enough for a man to get banned,tarnished ,canceled ,fired from work etc while you as a man can bring in evidence the size of Mount Everest to contradict these claims of abuse and show that it is you who is the victim that isn't enough in the current media climate to clear your name because it in the interest of these studios and media .

Listen to the Depp/Heard audio tape;

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aca0KWoHtqQ&ab_channel=IncrediblyAverage

As for this weekend I still have enough things on blu-ray and Netflix to watch plus since of yesterday I got myself another 5CD player because the other one broke down two weeks ago and since it was cheaply priced I could let it go so I bought myself an upgrade of my previous cd player I now have a Sony CDP CE-535 instead of the CDP CE-215 I use to have so I will probably be listening some music as well .

this is the Sony CDP CE-525 but mine looks very similar;

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TWctuzwEMjM&ab_channel=Bart%C5%82omiej%C5%81uc

Here's a new song for all of you:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WUEqh07E4dY

Also, it seems like as with live by the sword, die by the sword; for depp it's live by hollywood, die by hollywood. If he were a "civilian" there's at least some chance at justice. I was noticing a video the other day of a woman who was sentenced to (only) 1 year in prison for a false rape accusation. Nobody in Hollyweird would ever get that.

Which was my point and certainly not in the current political climate in Hollywood.