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  • Her name is Victoria Winters

  • Carolyn suffers from undiagnosed bipolar disorder

  • The Collins’ have deforested Maine to keep their fireplace endlessly lit

  • Growing up in a Foundling Ward is proper training to be a governess

  • Victoria spends an awful lot of money on mailing stamped envelopes to herself

  • It seems highly unlikely that Roger would ever beget a child with a woman

  • There is no shortage of dodgy, older men pledging their undying loyalty to Elizabeth

  • A fortune can be made by canning sardines

  • Collinsport must be very dull if a trip to Bangor is exciting

  • A failed artist can afford a sizable two bedroom cottage in town

  • The hotel diner thrives by giving away sundaes and serving lousy coffee

  • No one questions a middle aged man entertaining a 9 year old boy in his hotel room alone

  • Vehicular manslaughter only rates five years in prison

  • Ex-convicts can amass a fortune in South America in under five years

  • Ellizabeth spends six hours on hair every morning, only to sit around the house all day

  • Elizabeth has resting disapproval face

  • Attempting to murder your father is a rite of passage

  • People care way too much about silver fountain pens

  • For all their wealth, there are only two phones in the Collinwood mansion, and they are 10 feet apart

  • No one asks who’s there before opening the front door to their isolated mansion

  • Being someone’s hired housekeeper is a lot like being someone’s wife

  • Maggie lies about the freshness of the diner’s mayonnaise

  • The hotspot in town is some dive bar that plays one song over and over

  • Being a 10 min walk from the cannery, the Evans’ house must reek to high heaven

  • Elizabeth is still paying off a 150 year-long mortgage on Collinwood

  • Room Service thinks Burke eats two steaks for dinner

  • Maggie is an expert on diesel engines, and that turns Joe on

  • Maggie is allowed 2 minutes of self-pity a day

  • David loves funerals

  • You just know there’s a secret closet full of decapitated puppies in David’s room

  • “What Do You Do With a Drunken Sailor?” sounds far more salacious than it turns out to be

  • Susie the Waitress won’t speak to customers

  • Roger always thought there was “something a little wrong with David”.

  • David can self-teach himself about car engines and tidal currents, but can’t learn what is the sum of 8 times 8.

  • Roger is a high-functioning alcoholic

  • Victoria plays the Foundling Sympathy Card a lot

  • Cold blowy nights are the best nights to have fun

  • Sam doesn’t want his daughter Maggie wasting her time hoping for something she’s unlikely to ever find, such as love or a happy ending.

  • Frank Garner is a champion of lost causes, such as Victoria Winters

  • Victoria thinks it’s a good idea to drink plenty of coffee before a long drive on a cold night

  • A Nor’easter usually lasts three days. It ended the next morning.

  • Lowland back roads are far less likely to be flooded than highland major highways

  • Victoria has clearly never seen inside of the Bridal suite at the Waldorf Astoria

  • Elizabeth doesn’t want anyone else but brother Roger aroused.

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  • Willie really wants Jason to let him touch it
  • Barnabas was painted with googly eyes
  • Barnabas suffers from a severe heart arrhythmia
  • Elizabeth doesn't want it sooner or later, she wants it NOW
  • The old house has a serious spider infestation

I love in these episodes how Mrs. Johnson can’t put two and two together. Willie asks her about Collins family members being buried with jewelry and asks her about where they’re buried or where Eagle Hill cemetery is and yet she doesn’t know what he’s up to lol. Also the cemetery caretaker is probably my favorite character.

I think Mrs. Johnson is huffing cleaning products if you ask me. Also, how does one 50-60 year old woman clean all of Collingwood and cook meals every day? Liz is a tightwad and slave-driver.

I really don't like the caretaker. He's always saying the same things over and over with that goofy voice. He reminds me of the old man character that Tim Conway used to play on TV: DUANE TODDLEBERRY

John Karlen is good, but I still think the original Willie was better (James Hall). There was something seedy, visceral, and malevolent in Hall's performance, while Karlen puts on a lousy Southern accent and still comes across as a big ol' teddy bear.

  • Jason would recognize Willie's butt anywhere
  • Carolyn isn't sure if she looks like the village idiot
  • Vicki disapproves of sick Willie staying in the house, where she is an employee
  • Willie is exhausted after spending all night getting drained by Barnabas
  • The Sheriff's job is to solve mysteries, not create them
  • No one thinks to let Barnabas know a man recently died from fright in the Old House

Yes, I saw that this morning. I haven't gotten to Sky yet, but sad to hear.

@Dedoc1967 said:

Yes, I saw that this morning. I haven't gotten to Sky yet, but sad to hear.

I don't remember him. I watched it every day back in the day & have tried watching the reruns but I just can't watch them now without cringing.

Why cringing?

@Dedoc1967 said:

Why cringing?

Mainly because the acting was so bad, along with sets, etc. being really substandard, it was all so hokey. I loved it back in the day because it was so different & as a rebellious teenager, it was the perfect example of something that adults would frown on.

Hmmm. I find all of that endearing. It feels human and unpolished, which can oddly add to a sense of naturalism in the midst of so much campy fantasy. In fact, I find the show incredibly addictive. I'm only now up to the arrival of Barnabas so maybe it gets worse later but for now it's been fun.

  • Barnabas doesn't tip wait staff
  • Maggie is disturbed
  • Sam accepts an on-site commission without asking for the address
  • Elizabeth is unsettled that Barnabas and Willie are living together

Dedoc I’m enjoying your takes on these episodes. I started watching DS a couple years ago and like it.

In some ways I feel like Dark Shadows was a precursor of GH at its height (the early 80s). Both shows broke the traditional soap format (gothic horror for DS and adventure/sci-fi for GH) due to a visionary show runner (Dan Curtis for DS, Gloria Monty for GH). Both shows became part of the cultural zeitgeist for a while (though DS’s cult status and prominence are more enduring).

And both shows introduced characters who were meant as villains but became hugely popular and dominated the show: Barnabas for DS, Luke (later Sonny!) on GH.

There is something unique about this show. Maybe it's the heart, the novelty, the humanity -- but even 50 years later it holds up better that watching other soaps from that same timeframe. And, every attempt to either revive or imitate it ultimately fails with relative speed: DS revival 1990, Twin Peaks, Wayward Palms, Passions, Port Charles. I suppose Supernatural has been the most successful heir, but that's more an episodic action/adventure than soap opera.

  • Wild packs of feral dogs roam freely through Collingwood
  • Barnabas praises Willie for being good with his hands
  • Typhoid Maggie works in a busy diner despite "coming down with something"
  • No in 1967 Maine ever heard of anemia
  • Vicki equates the attacks on young women with slaughter of farm animals

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