Actually, in "Escape" they say the first ship "landed" on the "seaboard" which didn't really happen. But maybe that was another contradiction/retcon that was introduced to make getting it out of the lake/ocean less preposterous.

You guys seem to forget that there were two spacecraft so Dr. Milo had two spacecraft to work from so he could have had the craft in the lake lifted and salvaged some part from Brent's crashed ship(which also could have had additional space suits).

You guys seem to forget that there were two spacecraft so Dr. Milo had two spacecraft to work from so he could have had the craft in the lake lifted and salvaged some part from Brent's crashed ship(which also could have had additional space suits).

Well ... Brent's ship crashed, and was rather destroyed. It didn't look like there as much to salvage.

In "Escape," the ship is identified as Taylor's ("To be exact, the one commanded by Colonel Taylor.") Milo was described as "a genius well in advance of his time" but having him mix and match parts from two spaceships seems like a lot to ask. I can almost believe a genius chimp could salvage and "half understand" a single intact ship, but doing actual repairs or engineering seems excessive. The spacesuit angle is a good thought, though. Thanks for trying.

And I think repairs/engineering would have been required in any event. I cannot be convinced that being submerged perhaps in salt water (didn't they say it was salt water? I don't remember now) for months, wouldn't have done significant damage. Damage that couldn't be reversed by simply draining the water. And no matter how smart Dr Milo was, he was still literally in a "stone knives and bear skins" culture.

Ah, yes:

DODGE (half to himself): Briny...twenty-five percent salinity. Near the saturation point.

Sorry to break the chain, but I've thought of yet another fault with "Escape". The spaceship is undetected until a helicopter pilot spots it "just outside the surf line". NORAD radar would have detected it as it re-entered Earth's atmosphere, wouldn't it?

Okay, Knix. That's your cue. Shoot me down.

It's probably an "irl" type goof, but I'm not really that interested. "Escape" is just too idiotic overall for me to care very much except maybe for more obvious things. I rarely look for things like mis-matched wallpaper etc anyway, and especially not in drivel like this. Once I determine it should never have been made to start with, I'm not interested in whether someone's cigarette they're smoking changes length between camera angles, or the amount of liquid in the their glass changes, etc etc. For that matter, even for movies I LIKE, I'm not real worried about stuff like that. But I do see a lot of "goofs" like that on imdb and elsewhere.

I didn't really care about the space suits either, but happened to find the evidence. And even if they had said in the first movie, something perfectly reasonable like "We didn't bring space suits because if we land someplace without breathable air we're dead anyway" (something like that was said at the end of When Worlds Collide, by the way, which was made in 1951), they still would have had space suits in "Escape" because it was "necessary" for them not to be seen as apes until the big reveal.

You've engaged in endless debates about trivial matters here, but this is beneath your attention?

I guess maybe there's trivial, and then there's... pointless?

Singin' doo-wah-diddy-diddy-dum-diddy-doo

If we're gonna be "pointless", we may as well do the hell out of it!

Forget about the little details and watch the show and enjoy it for the stories it has to tell.

Forget about the little details and watch the show and enjoy it for the stories it has to tell.

This is really the attitude I like to bring to TV, as well. My one hang up is when the story isn't good enough to compensate for the dumbassery, or to distract you from the flaws. I give "Escape" a pass because the melodrama is well presented, and as a transitional piece in the franchise, I found it pretty effective.

I was always grateful to our old friends at the IMDB board for helping me appreciate "Turnabout Intruder." I was always deeply annoyed by the flaws in logic and story, but there are some worthwhile moments buried in the Season Three quagmire.

No matter how many friends might help me but appreciating Turnabout Intruder seems like almost impossible to me but hey the last couple of years I've managed to appreciate And The Children Shall Lead and The Way To Eden so there is still hope for me I guess.

The guy who wrote "Escape From Planet of the Apes" had a difficult situation. 20th Century Fox ordered a sequel. Clearly, it was impossible to have the story occur later then the events in "Beneath". The only way to proceed was to go back in time. Any scenario explaining that would be implausible at best. So he just handwaved it and wrote a story that explored how apes would be treated by humans. On that level, it was a reasonably engaging tale.

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No matter how many friends might help me but appreciating Turnabout Intruder seems like almost impossible to me but hey the last couple of years I've managed to appreciate And The Children Shall Lead and The Way To Eden so there is still hope for me I guess.

After a couple of years of owning the new BluRay set, I finally decided to watch "Turnabout Intruder". It froze about a quarter of the way through. This was the first time my BluRay player did that. I shrugged and moved on. I'm not exactly overly fond of the episode, but enjoy it on a camp level. Watching Shatner ham it up as an emotionally unstable female was fun in a guilty pleasure type of way. Was he channeling his ex wife or something? I don't know.

I've liked "The Way to Eden" for quite a while. I won't say that it is a masterpiece and will not spend a lot of time and effort defending it. The slang they invented for the hippies was plausible. The music did sound like something that naive but earnest youth would compose. I found the tunes reasonably catch. Charles Napier sold it well. He seemed to be enjoying himself.

I have a strong physical repulsion to "And the Children Shall Lead." I may never watch it again.

@sukhisoo said:

@Nexus71 said:

No matter how many friends might help me but appreciating Turnabout Intruder seems like almost impossible to me but hey the last couple of years I've managed to appreciate And The Children Shall Lead and The Way To Eden so there is still hope for me I guess.

After a couple of years of owning the new BluRay set, I finally decided to watch "Turnabout Intruder". It froze about a quarter of the way through. This was the first time my BluRay player did that. I shrugged and moved on. I'm not exactly overly fond of the episode, but enjoy it on a camp level. Watching Shatner ham it up as an emotionally unstable female was fun in a guilty pleasure type of way. Was he channeling his ex wife or something? I don't know.

I've liked "The Way to Eden" for quite a while. I won't say that it is a masterpiece and will not spend a lot of time and effort defending it. The slang they invented for the hippies was plausible. The music did sound like something that naive but earnest youth would compose. I found the tunes reasonably catch. Charles Napier sold it well. He seemed to be enjoying himself.

I have a strong physical repulsion to "And the Children Shall Lead." I may never watch it again.

HahA! I've actually grown fonder of The Way to Eden over the years. I absolutely hated it when I was younger ("I don't know why a young mind has to be an undisciplined one.") But I've come to the conclusion that it's actually quite underrated, and it's very quotable. So don't be a Herbert, everyone! Give this one another chance and maybe you'll find a little bit of Eden in it. Reach, brothers and sisters?