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posted by KnixonSTAFFMOD on July 16, 2018 at 11:27 PM
On again today, on H&I. They really should have at least offered their cure to the Scalosians. Even if it turned out not to work for them.
Reply by sunshine62
on July 17, 2018 at 4:28 PM
Maybe Kirk was not ready to face the responsibilities of being a daddy? 😑
Reply by Knixon
on July 17, 2018 at 5:05 PM
If you think Deela got knocked up, then the kid was probably born, grew up, and died of old age by the time they left the system.
Reply by sunshine62
on July 17, 2018 at 8:19 PM
by Knixon... If you think Deela got knocked up, then the kid was probably born, grew up, and died of old age by the time they left the system.
Why you think Kirk took his boot off cause he had a itchy foot?
The Scalosians were convinced they could reproduce with humans so if our physiology / biology were that similar to theirs , there was a strong possibility that the cure would have worked on them too.
Once they were back to normal velocity Deela if pregnant would have had Kirk's child.
Reply by Nexus71
on July 17, 2018 at 8:54 PM
That whole premise of Kirk having a son with Deela could provide for some humor
imagine this scene:
Kirk re-appears in sick bay again after taking the medicine and saying goodbye to his son
Kirk :"Dammit Bones the cure worked prepare some more so we can help the Scalosians"
McCoy:"Jim I'm so glad to see you again and feeling well,I will immediately will start to synthesize some more medicine"
Kirk's son: Bzzzzzzz
McCoy(while picking up a fly swapper):"But first I will get rid of this pesky mosquito"
Kirk(while preventing McCoy from picking up the fly swapper): "Hold it Bones ,meet Kirk Jr."
McCoy : "Well I'll be damned"
Meanwhile Mr. Spock walks into sickbay
Spock; "Ah captain so good to see you back again!"
Kirk's son ;Bzzzzzz
Spock looks annoyed and swiftly picks up the fly swapper
WHOOSH
Spock slams hard in the direction of the buzzing sound after which the buzzing seized
Kirk; " Vulcan bastard! You killed my son!
Reply by Jetfire59
on July 17, 2018 at 11:13 PM
Why do you think Kirk took his boot off cause he had a itchy foot?
Reply by sunshine62
on July 17, 2018 at 11:16 PM
I was wondering why no one had picked that up yet.😛
Reply by Knixon
on July 18, 2018 at 3:35 AM
It's not that nobody picked that up. But there are reasons to assume that it wouldn't have happened, including a) once is not usually enough for humans, b) Kirk might have been taking some kind of birth control injections which seemed to be fairly common at the time...
But again, the whole episode is kinda cockeyed if you believe the Scalosians are even just 1,000 times faster. And IF Deela were pregnant, if only a couple hours passed before they left orbit, it was almost 3 months for the Scalosians. Then too, how do you suppose they survived on Enterprise in the previous few hours which also would have been MONTHS to them? It also doesn't make sense that they wouldn't have been visible while transporting...
Reply by sunshine62
on July 18, 2018 at 5:33 AM
by Knixon:
It's not that nobody picked that up. But there are reasons to assume that it wouldn't have happened ....
Sorry but like usual you're mixing up two matters .
I wrote:
Maybe Kirk was not ready to face the responsibilities of being a daddy? 😑
Your reply was :
*If you think Deela got knocked up *,then the kid was probably born, grew up, and died of old age by the time they left the system.
I detect doubt in the first part of your reply ..and it has nothing to do with pregnancy but rather that Kirk may not have had sex.
And that's why I replied:
Why, you think Kirk took his boot off cause he had a itchy foot ..
Jet replied cause he thought it was funny ..it's obvious that you also saw my reply but didn't see the funny side of it ..no problem.
So now back to your last post..
a) once is not usually enough for humans,
Actually any time and man and woman have sex , pregnancy is possible if no effective birth control methods are used.
b) Kirk might have been taking some kind of birth control injections which seemed to be fairly common at the time...
He had a son with Marcus but one could say that was some time back but how about Miramanee and her pregnancy?
Where did you get that idea, I 'm curious ?
Reply by jxh13
on July 18, 2018 at 6:06 AM
If Memory Alpha is to be believed, the injections were for the female crew members, somewhat obviating the need for Kirk to restrict the flow of his, um, Boys. The contraceptive Pill was huge news in the 1960s, having been approved for use in 1960 and becoming increasingly popular and widely discussed. It's possible that contraceptive methods were available to Kirk, and it's possible he used them, but more likely the mores of the 23rd century put the onus for birth control on the female partner.
This is, I imagine, Knixon's point, that pregnancy would have been possible, but in now way certain.
I agree that the human hyperspeed concept at the core of this episode is 'kinda cockeyed.' Another case of Fred and Company not thinking through the science in their fiction.
Why didn't Kirk offer the cure to the Scalosians ... hmm. Maybe Spock theorized that the 'cure' would not work on the Scalosians because of their prolonged exposure, and his formula was designed to counteract a small, recently administered dose.
Reply by Knixon
on July 18, 2018 at 6:10 AM
I don't think most people - except maybe pre-teens - watching the show, even at first airing, had any doubts about what happened. But there's a pretty big jump from "they had sex" to "she's pregnant." Of course that was her plan, but while conception after one time is possible, it's also rare.
I've learned in the past that about 1/3rd of couples get pregnant in the first "cycle" (month) of trying, but trying doesn't mean just having sex once. What it really means is about 1/3rd of couples get pregnant in the first month of trying, if they have sex every 2 or 3 days.
And in addition, knocking up the queen of an arguably dangerous alien race, seems like a very big violation of the Prime Directive.
Meanwhile...
When Kirk and Carol Marcus had David, he wasn't apparently on deep space duty. And they were serious, at least then. For Miramanee, he had two months with her. It's not difficult to believe that the birth control injections are a regular thing, and wear off. (Near the end of Deep Space Nine, it's revealed that Captain Sisko apparently knocked up Captain Yates after he missed his MONTHLY injection.)
Reply by Nexus71
on July 18, 2018 at 10:50 AM
b) Kirk might have been taking some kind of birth control injections which seemed to be fairly common at the time...
Kirk always relied on duranium tipped condoms ,but hey even condoms sometimes fail.
Reply by Knixon
on July 18, 2018 at 4:43 PM
Well, evidently things change by Sisko's time.
Perhaps. But it was never mentioned, not a word. All that happened was, when Deela said Kirk and Spock couldn't get back to normal, Spock just gave Kirk a little nod. It would have been nice to at least have a little exchange between them, that it wouldn't work for the Scalosians. And maybe not even for Compton if he were still alive. Maybe when someone has gone through "the change" (I mean where their attitude becomes accepting) it's a one-way trip?
Reply by Nexus71
on July 18, 2018 at 6:20 PM
You are overthinking these thing way too much Knix it is supposed to be entertaining it doesn't have to be accurate and technical other wise it would have been called TNG
Reply by Knixon
on July 18, 2018 at 6:46 PM
The real problem was likely rushed production. And that nobody thought anybody would notice or care, 50 years later. Heck back then, they figured nobody would care after the repeat airing, if there was one.
Reply by Nexus71
on July 18, 2018 at 7:51 PM
Most people during that time maybe apart from Shatner who really kept believing in the potential of the show and who according to James Doohan(known not to be Shatner's best friend)was part of the reason that there at least was some quality in the third season.