@sukhisoo wrote :_He could see where this movie was going and did his best to get out of it.

Not an altogether bad move._

I fail to see falling off a cliff being crushed by a steel bridge as an improvement but hey that just me. and yeah sure Kirk is an action man but he could have chosen to live forever and have some action in the relative safe environment of the Nexus (without having to die)and go back anytime anywhere.(this is a key point the script writers failed to recognise)

Kirk would not have enjoyed life in the Nexus Ribbon. Remember? He said jumping that crevice on his horse didn't scare him because he knew it wasn't real.

He seemed to be doing fine when he was making eggs for the missus until Picard like a party pooper came to tell him about the world he was actually living in .Why didn't Picard go back to his Starfleet Academy days round up a bunch of young and healthy cadets and go back to the moment in Ten Forward when he first meets Soran and kick the living shit out him before he can do any worse,or even better go back a couple of weeks send out a Federation search warrant for Dr. Soran and also contacted somebody to install a fire alarm in his parental house so Robert and Rene won't die in a horrible fire.How's that for creative thinking? I think Picard was suffering from dementia or was just getting too old what good would the help of a senior citizen do him against Soran ?At his age Kirk was not going to do any of his famous drop kicks anymore and getting his shirt ripped was out the question because of common decency

Going back in time and taking other cadets out of the academy would have changed history. Especially if any of them were killed.

It was just a suggestion Knix he also could have gone back to the moment prior to when he met Soran and could have contacted Worf to have a security team meet him in Ten Forward arrest Soran and put him in the brig. My point is Any other suggestion then what the script writers came up with would have been better since his choice was unlimited.And another thing is Kirk dies okay (spoiler duh) but to leave his body on some hill under pile of rocks open to the elements and to wild animals that can feed of his flesh on some unknown backwater planet? , what kind of disrespectful treatment was that of one of Starfleet's most famous and successful commanders wouldn't you think that they could have beamed his body up and return the body of a hero to earth on the fleet's flagship accompanied by several other Starfleet and get a full ceremonial state burial? I am not opposed to Kirk dying but they should have dealt with his death and burial in a manner more fitting to his legacy. Heck I would have shed a couple of tears when they would have showed a ceremonial procession of Starships returning Kirk's body home and a mass funeral befitting a hero(Heck they even could have buried him in a tomb on top of El Capitan).

Doing the other thing you suggest, could have/would have led to a time/loop paradox. Also, I'm unclear about whether Picard had the ability to get anyone else to help him, who wasn't also still/already in the Nexus.

I guess I assumed they beamed up or otherwise recovered Kirk's body, since otherwise when the "people" on the next planet got to space flight and discovered his body on the other planet, it would interfere with their development. Which is also why Starfleet would have sent a ship or ships to clean up the crash site of the saucer section.

But it would have been better to have shown some of that, specifically.

Also, what do you suppose the inhabitants of that other planet made of the huge explosion of antimatter etc, which would have been visible to at least some of them? Maybe it was their Star of David? "Fascinating."

Yes, they did make a Star Trek V.

Kirk drank ate some beans, drank a bunch of bourbon, passed out, and had this crazy dream...

@sukhisoo said:

Yes, they did make a Star Trek V.

Kirk drank ate some beans, drank a bunch of bourbon, passed out, and had this crazy dream...

Good one sukhi!

Letting myself get outwitted by some half ass Vulcan and got my shirt messed up by some god-like creature for asking "What does God need with a starship? ",Doh!

But at least he didn't get splattered at the base of a cliff, thanks to Spock's rocket-boots.

@Nexus71 said:

Letting myself get outwitted by some half ass Vulcan and got my shirt messed up by some god-like creature for asking "What does God need with a starship? ",Doh!

Actually Nex, I look on the "What does God need with a starship?" scene as close to true Trek as STV came.

In all honesty, as much as we diss STV, there is one thing to consider. It's premise is not as ridiculous as M. Night Shamalamadingdong's "Signs". An alien race to which H2O is deadly comes to invade a planet that is 70% covered by it?

Yeah and can't use door keys to open the door

Maybe they were using Earth as a stepping-stone to Mars?

_Actually Nex, I look on the "What does God need with a starship?" scene as close to true Trek as STV came.

In all honesty, as much as we diss STV, there is one thing to consider. It's premise is not as ridiculous as M. Night Shamalamadingdong's "Signs". An alien race to which H2O is deadly comes to invade a planet that is 70% covered by it? _

Actually Jet I don´t hate ST V at all ,I think there are very adult themes running trough this more than meets the eye the analogies to religious extremism,false idols,terrorism,so called healers and other more adult themes are numerous and makes this film quite a good watch despite the underwhelming special effects but as a plus the SFX on the original show were not that great either which made you focus more on the stories and themes that were being explored and I feel that this movie actually got closest to that experience and therefore I have a fond place in my heart for this movie.Plus the themes and acting in this movie age better over time than many of the other Trek movies (for example despite the success and appreciation for ST IV I do feel that it´s setting and themes make it a very eighties movie which tend to date it more.)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pWdd6_ZxX8c