@movie_nazi said:

So, that black bum (literally charcoal black, not race) who we saw next to the cell of Hastings in part 2 makes another appearance in part 7 behind the LT in the morgue sent by the Black Ghostbuster (this time I do mean race) to check out the fingerprint hit of Briggs on the database. Now I'm really curious who this entity is.

When I first saw him in that cell, I thought he looked like he was filmed in black and white .

Then when I saw him walking down the hallway, my first thought was "chimney soot man!"

I think it is BOB, I am hoping it is BOB.

@ScorpionQ2 said:

@movie_nazi said:

So, that black bum (literally charcoal black, not race) who we saw next to the cell of Hastings in part 2 makes another appearance in part 7 behind the LT in the morgue sent by the Black Ghostbuster (this time I do mean race) to check out the fingerprint hit of Briggs on the database. Now I'm really curious who this entity is.

When I first saw him in that cell, I thought he looked like he was filmed in black and white .

Then when I saw him walking down the hallway, my first thought was "chimney soot man!"

I think it is BOB, I am hoping it is BOB.

He does look like a guy covered in soot. Someone gave the theory that it is the Log Lady's lumberjack husband who was killed in a fire and gives her messages from the Lodge through the log.

@movie_nazi said:

He does look like a guy covered in soot. Someone gave the theory that it is the Log Lady's lumberjack husband who was killed in a fire and gives her messages from the Lodge through the log.

Could be. For every theory there always seems to be another great one to counter it.

But seems to me the Log Lady's lumberjack husband wouldn't be hanging around those places (jail cell, morgue) looking ALL creepy like he's up to no good.

@Invidia said:

Briggs also died in a FIRE and they've supposedly also found his body.

Yet another reason I don't believe it's him. That body in the morgue with Briggs's prints doesn't look burned ( unless he actually died from smoke inhalation and didn't get burned )but wasn't there an explosion with the fire he died in?

@Invidia said:

If they can MANUFACTURE DOUGIE (a body that LOOKS like COOP), they can probably also MANUFACTURE one that looks like BRIGGS.

They could, but even more reason for me to believe that is the body of the REAL/ORIGINAL DOUGIE, you just gave reasons for in the thread "OK, enough with Dougie"

Which also makes one wonder how many other MANUFACTURED BODIES we have in this story.

I think SPIKE IKE is one too.

FROM "OK, enough with Dougie" :

@Invidia said:

Did she also KNOW he was a MANUFACTURED being?

And How could she NOT KNOW?

If they're MARRIED, how did they get a MARRIAGE LICENSE?

How did he get a BIRTH CERTIFICATE to get a DR. LICENSE, etc?

Where did he get a SOCIAL SECURITY NUMBER from to get a JOB?

I am not trying to hijack this thread or interfere with you and Movie's debate, but these questions you asked above about Janey-E and Dougie are the reasons I said to you in that other thread (OF COURSE I don't remember where) That DOUGIE had to have been a REAL PERSON in the beginning BEFORE EVILCOOP/BOB manufactured the one that turned back into the gold bead- yet another reason I am still believing the body in the morgue is the body of the REAL/ORIGINAL/HUMAN Dougie Jones.

@Invidia said:

MN is the one concerned about OFF TOPIC TALK.

Ha ha! The reason is how many times (I've lost count) have we said someone said this or someone said that and we have NO IDEA where it is? Maybe if we organized a bit better it would be easier to go back and reference earlier talking points. But if you guys are cool with the stream-of -consciousness style then fuggit lets go with it.

@Invidia said:

I am not trying to hijack this thread or interfere with you and Movie's debate, but these questions you asked above about Janey-E and Dougie are the reasons I said to you in that other thread (OF COURSE I don't remember where) That DOUGIE had to have been a REAL PERSON in the beginning BEFORE EVILCOOP/BOB manufactured the one that turned back into the gold bead- yet another reason I am still believing the body in the morgue is the body of the REAL/ORIGINAL/HUMAN Dougie Jones.

MN is the one concerned about OFF TOPIC TALK.

Please feel free to TALK OFF topic if you like if it's not their topic.

It's bound to happen when discussing TP.

So you think COOP/BOB MANUFACTURED DOUGIE?

Yes- who else? Unless these EVIL GUYS have a boss at the LODGE that has not been shown.

Wasn't it also MIKE who said he'd been MANUFACTURED and had served his PURPOSE?

Yes, he said that when Dougie dissolved back into the gold bead.

So WHY would they KILL the ORIGINAL DOUGIE JONES, and then place the MANUFACTURED one in his place? What would be the PURPOSE of doing that?

Have you forgotten THIS? because EVIL/COOP BOB was planning on using the MANUFACTURED one to stay here in. EVIL COOP did not want to go back.

And WHY would DARK SUIT COOP take the place of this other DEAD look a like DOUGIE?

Well he could not return back here after being in the LODGE for 25 YEARS and pick up where he left off IN HIS CONDITION- could he? He could not very well be himself, and since there had been a MANUFACTURED DOUGIE-WHY wouldn't he just take his place? REMEMBER HOW THE EVIL ARM TREE CURSED HIM? HE was HURLED through SPACE AND TIME.

Remember when someone ( I forget right now if it was ARM TREE , MIKE or who) said to COOP,

"When you get there, You will ALREADY BE there."

Meaning when he gets here he will ALREADY BE KNOWN, HE will ALREADY have a LIFE..

Who is doing this? MIKE? THE TREE?
COOP/BOB?

I don't understand- WHO is doing what??? You do realize that THE ONE ARM MAN and THE ARM TREE have been HELPING DOUGIE/COOP don't you?

It does also MAKES SENSE though that the HEAD is MISSING IF that is the ORIGINAL BODY of DOUGIE.

Exactly, another reason on my 'Why I think the body in the morgue is the ORIGINAL DOUGIE' list.

Because whoever is doing it also wouldn't want them to think it was the DARK SUIT COOP?

Again I don't understand this.

@movie_nazi said:

@Invidia said:

MN is the one concerned about OFF TOPIC TALK.

Ha ha! The reason is how many times (I've lost count) have we said someone said this or someone said that and we have NO IDEA where it is? Maybe if we organized a bit better it would be easier to go back and reference earlier talking points. But if you guys are cool with the stream-of -consciousness style then fuggit lets go with it.

I just said "have NO IDEA where it is" then found it.

There is no way to talk of TP WITHOUT veering off.

You are guilty of this too. You just asked me a question in another thread that had nothing to do with topic and no I "have NO IDEA where it is"-

just joking- it was the "OK, enough with Dougie" but was more suited for "The Body in the Morgue"

@Invidia said:

The problem is my brain has been listening to the VIDEO REVIEWS where one guy thinks MIKE MANUFACTURED Dougie as a way to preserve the GOOD PART of him and protect it.

Ahh, I see! - And this COULD VERY WELL be true, THE ABOVE is only my theory- and I always say I could be totally wrong.

So when you mention COOP/BOB did it, it's also hard to reprogram the brain to thinking about this other different theory. See what I mean?

Oh yes I see! SORRY, I didn't know about that theory- so I didn't understand what you were asking.

The confusion comes from thinking MIKE's the one who made DOUGIE as a way to HELP COOP have a place to go back to at the time when he's SUCKED BACK to this place again.

GOOD theory, either MIKE did it as a way to HELP COOP have a place to go back to at the time when he's SUCKED BACK to this place again or EVIL COOP/BOB did it planning on using the MANUFACTURED one to stay here in.

• at least we know one of the theories will be right (maybe).

Well the question is WHY would MIKE help something MANUFACTURED by BOB to understand that?

Here is another question if ONE ARM MAN MANUFACTURED DOUGIE why did he appear genuinely surprised when he dissolved AND did NOT KNOW that DOUGIE had been MANUFACTURED?

I'm going to rule that theory out and stick with my theory above.

@ScorpionQ2 said:

Well the question is WHY would MIKE help something MANUFACTURED by BOB to understand that?

Here is another question if ONE ARM MAN MANUFACTURED DOUGIE why did he appear genuinely surprised when he dissolved AND did NOT KNOW that DOUGIE had been MANUFACTURED?

I'm going to rule that theory out and stick with my theory above.

Mike did not manufacture Dougie. I think it is pretty obvious this was Mr. C's doing. For instance:

DARYA: Don't you have to be somewhere tomorrow?

Mr. C: Tomorrow I am supposed to be pulled back into what they call the Black Lodge but I'm not going back there. I got a plan for that one.

So from this conversation, it is pretty easy to determine that Dougie was created either by Mr. C or at his behest. I really do not think there is any argument to this point.

@Invidia said:

@movie_nazi said:

So, that black bum (literally charcoal black, not race) who we saw next to the cell of Hastings in part 2 makes another appearance in part 7 behind the LT in the morgue sent by the Black Ghostbuster (this time I do mean race) to check out the fingerprint hit of Briggs on the database. Now I'm really curious who this entity is.

And we also know the BUM in the prison cell may also have been the SAME ONE we saw walking down the hallway.

In fact the one in the HALLWAY also looks more HEAVY SET than the other one inside of the jail cell.

Well after last night's episode we now know that these entities are representatives of evil spirits from the Black Lodge.

@movie_nazi said:

Mike did not manufacture Dougie. I think it is pretty obvious this was Mr. C's doing. For instance:

DARYA: Don't you have to be somewhere tomorrow?

Mr. C: Tomorrow I am supposed to be pulled back into what they call the Black Lodge but I'm not going back there. I got a plan for that one.

So from this conversation, it is pretty easy to determine that Dougie was created either by Mr. C or at his behest.

I really do not think there is any argument to this point.

And I don't have one, because as I said I BELIEVE it was EVIL COOP/BOB that manufactured Dougie.

You should have addressed this to Invidia, I HAVE NEVER thought Mike manufactured Dougie - THAT was someone's else theory.

And I did say, "I'm going to rule that theory out and stick with my theory above."

@movie_nazi

Invidia said:

...it was the theory of the guy who does video reviews of the show.