@Invidia said:

Usually relationships form between 2 people who are more UNALIKE than ALIKE. If someone is SHY, for example, they might be attracted to someone who is more friendly and OUTGOING. And in time they may also ABSORB or ASSIMILATE some of those kind of personality traits from the other person who is their opposite.

And we also know how SOCIALLY AWKWARD 7 was at first, and we also saw how good Chakotay was when it came to dealing with other cultures and peoples that they encountered.

So for that reason it does MAKE SENSE that these 2 would be attacted to one another.

In the ONE SMALL STEP episode 7 also learns from Chacotay what it's like to ADMIRE someone for their accomplishment (which she also wasn't interested in at first). But through Chacotay she realizes the reasons why he admires the other astronaut, and she also tells the corpse who won the World Series at the funeral they hold for him (which let's us know she also respects the astronaut by the end of the episode).

Then in NATURAL LAW the 2 of them were also trapped in time in a place where they learn about a primitive culture called the VENTU, and a young girl also gives 7 a blanket to remember her by at the end of that episode.

So once again she's learning from Chacotay how to appreciate special moments in history and why other more primitive cultures have value which also brings the 2 of them closer together as they share such experiences.

And she also knew that Chacotay's interest in her wasn't based upon the way that she looked physically (which was mostly what motivates KIM's interest in her).

And in HUMAN ERROR we also saw 7 having fantasies about Chacotay that she puts to the test by simulating DATES she has with him in the HOLODECK.

The One Small Step eppy may also have enabled her to think about her parents differently than she did at first. Because when she sees how much Chaotay and the others admired the other astronaut who died, she may also have seen her parents as being the same kind of brave explorers and as not the kind of fools that she previously assumed them to be.

So the SEEDS of a budding relationship between the 2 of them have definitely also been PLANTED ahead of time before we get to the END GAME episode.

I'm sorry but I have to disagree. In my experience and those of people I know, opposites DO NOT attract. Sure it might be fun for a weekend but anything longer ended up in a disaster.

Besides I don't think of Chakotay and Seven as opposites. In every episode that I saw, including the ones you mention they had a professional working relationship. There was no build up of a relation ship that I saw. I've talked to people about fantasy romances. They all agreed that you should never fantasize about people in your real circle.

Then there is this: https://youtu.be/s73YJkOGLdA

As she says: it would have been one thing if it was slowly developed, but it wasn't.

@Invidia said:

It's perfectly fine to DISAGREE and see the situation from another different perspective.

The info you've been given was based upon a COURSE called the PSYCHOLOGY of GENDER where the PROFESSOR said this to the class:

SOME CLASS LECTURE NOTES on THE PSYCHOLOGY of GENDER

EVERYBODY has BOTH a MASCULINE & a FEMININE SIDE to their personality.

In a course called THE PSYCHOLOGY OF GENDER, the professor explains how falling in love is nothing more than one person being attracted to the more developed and dominant Masculine or Feminine traits of another person that they are lacking in themselves.

In the so called traditional marriage, for example, a female with feminine traits often marries a male with more masculine traits (although a male with feminine traits may also chose a wife who has developed more of her masculine personality traits as well).

In the course of time, a wife will then tend to take on her husbands masculine personality traits, and he may likewise develop some of her feminine personality traits.

(One can also observe this process at work in the movie GREASE where Olivia Newton John becomes a more Masculine Huntress type of female at the end -- when she's wearing black leather pants trying to please John -- whereas John Travolta trades in his leather jacket for the letter sweater -- becoming a softer jock type to try to please Olivia).

But a problem that frequently developes in our society is one where the female eventually takes on her husbands more masculine personality traits, yet her husband fails to develope the more feminine side of his personality.

And in such a case, divorce is often the result, due to the way the wife is no longer interested in playing the sweet nurturing mother type of role to her husband any more.

And after the divorce, the husband tends to marry another wife, (usually a younger woman), usually another one who still hasn't yet developed her masculine side, again someone who is willing to mother him and nurture him.

And if the husband still fails to develop the feminine side of his personality in a relationship with his 2nd wife (who also developes her masculine side), the result may be still another divorce for the same reason again.

In other words, the main purpose and goal of a relationship is for the female to become more masculine and for the male to become more feminine, or vice versa, until they have a BALANCE of both traits. Only in this way can we become a more balanced individual, or a WHOLE person, who doesnt have an OVERABUNDANCE of either the Masculine or the Feminine sides of our natures.

The professor who taught the Gender class also describes our current society and culture as a very UNBALANCED one. He says we are way too Masculine and this imbalance causes us much grief and suffering.

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So that's why SEVEN would be attracted to someone who is more OUTGOING than she was, because she could ASSIMILATE or ABSORB the personality traits he has that she lacks with her being and feeling so SHY around others.

But you're right about how ABRUPT the relationship between them seemed in comparison to the other BUILD UP that we got between PARIS and B'ELANNA.

Is it possible they had planned to have it happen that way but then the show was CANCELLED before the writers had a chance to portray it that way???

Whatever the case may be, according to the GENDER LECTURE we're attracted to OPPOSITE types, but that also doesn't mean we have NOTHING in common.

We can still have the SAME INTERESTS in something, it just indicates that we tend to be attracted to others who have developed different personality traits that we haven't yet developed yet ourselves.

Thus the reason why SHY SEVEN would be interested in the MUCH MORE OUTGOING and NOT SHY Chacotay.

Wow. You've obviously given this a lot more thought than I have. The "opposites" I was thinking of were more along the line of: pirogis or lasagna for supper.

But lecture aside, I have never seen Seven as a shy person. She knew her own beliefs and was willing to stand up for them. One of the problems was that Seven and Chakotay were never shown to have shared interests.

Which takes me back to sloppy writing. If they (the writers) would have started a romance earlier I might have believed it. I think we're in agreement on that.

We agree that the relationship between Chakotay and Seven was last minute and forced but you're forgetting Seven and the Doctor:

https://youtu.be/uv0sXurldwY

and also Chakotay and the Captain:

https://youtu.be/KSoqs7GYlss

There was a lot of wasted potential there.

@Invidia said:

Yes Chacotay had a thing for JANEWAY just like the DOC had a thing for SEVEN ...

but in both cases the FEMALES they desired didn't feel the SAME WAY about them as they did.

They were EXTREMELY FOND of Chacotay and the DOC and appreciated them, but ROMANCE was also something that JANEWAY explained she wasn't able to engage in due to her having the JOB as CAPTAIN of the ship.

She didn't explain this, but imagine what kind of a situation could arise if she did have a MALE friend. The others would resent him and call him TEACHER'S PET, etc. which could lead to all kinds of problems for both her and whoever she was romantically involved with at the time.

This is why I expressed disappointment that as soon as Janeway and Chakoty were no longer Captain and First Officer they didn't have a massive romantic kiss.

As for SEVEN, the problem with her is she's basically still EMOTIONALLY a CHILD due to her capture by the BORG at age 6.

That's also the reason why she RELATES so well to NAOMI WILDMAN and tolerates her better than she does others her own age.

And the DOC is also basically still a CHILD as well in certain respects due to his learning how to be a BETTER HUMAN (just like SEVEN is also learning how to be a better human).

That sounds like a pretty romantic situation to me, two adult-children learning about social interactions together.

And when she tells him he's her MENTOR, that also indicates the way she feels about him, and that she doesn't see him ROMANTICALLY or in the same way as he sees her.

Because a MENTOR is a TEACHER, and it's also not a good idea to be romantically involved with one's INSTRUCTOR (for the same reason as it isn't a good idea for JANEWAY to have a LOVE INTEREST on her ship).

Because people who instruct other people are also in a position to take advantage of that role and the kind of POWER that they have over others who are learning lessons from them.

And that's also the reason why we have LAWS against teachers having affairs with their students who can also be taken advantage of by them.

This only applies if the mentor/teacher has some sort of authority over the student. Seven doesn't have that problem as seen below.

NOTE the way SEVEN also tells the DOC how he screwed up the 3RD VERSE of the song.

The reason why he does so is because he realized the kind of ROMANTIC feelings he has for her, but SEVEN remains completely CLUELESS as to the reason why he messed up, because she doesn't RECOGNIZE the way he feels (because she also doesn't have the same kind of feelings for him that he has for her).

To her he's her TEACHER. Someone who instructs her in the ART of ROMANCE, and teacher's her how to dance, but he still isn't the OBJECT of her LOVE INTEREST or the reason why she's learning better SOCIAL SKILLS from him (which also becomes apparent later on when we discover how she's been creating and having HOLODECK DATES with a HOLOGRAPHIC version of CHACOTAY).

So yes they do SING EXTREMELY well together, but it's also a mistake to think the feelings that the DOC forms for SEVEN are reciprocated by her.

It feels like you're reaching. But clearly Seven has had more romantic scenes with the Doctor than she has had with Chakotay. Seven had one episode with a holodeck Chakotay and then while on the primitive planet, they were nothing but professional colleagues.

Because in each scene she also remains just as CLUELESS as JANEWAY does about the way CHACOTAY feels about her until the final scene where he tells her the story about the WARRIOR.

And then she HOLDS his HAND, but she still doesn't KISS him or do anything else to encourage him to think she thinks it's ok for them to be ROMANTICALLY involved.

And even IF she did have sex with him or begin a ROMANITC relationship with him while stranded on the PLANET where they may have been forced to remain for the rest of their lives, as soon as she returns back to her JOB of being CAPTAIN of the SHIP again, NOTE the way NONE of that matters or seems to have happened.

Because as PROFESSIONALS and OFFICERS they both also realize the reasons why they can't be involved with one another which could cause all kinds of problems for them ON the JOB.

See my above comments.

Look at the way B'Elanna and PARIS also had to SNEEK around when they first got involved and what kinds of RUMORS were floating around at that time.

People notice things like that, you can't HIDE it for very long.

I was also surprised that Lieutenant Torres was allowed to continue a relationship with Ensign Paris. Which by the way also knocks a Captain/First Officer problem into a hat.

And it's also HIGHLY UNLIKELY that SEVEN would see having a relationship with the DOC as a LOGICAL thing to do (due to her BORG MENTALITY which is also a bit like the VULCAN point of view where if something isn't LOGICAL then it's not worth pursuing).

In other words, EMOTIONS are also NOT something that the BORG took into consideration (which is also the reason why we keep hearing SEVEN saying IT'S NOT RELEVANT so often).

So to her it would also be IRRELEVANT to consider being ROMANTICALLY involved with a HOLOGRAPHIC being, which is also AMUSING when she ends up having a ROMATIC RELATIONSHIP with a HOLOGRAPHIC CHACOTAY.

I lost your argument there. Is she logical and not needing romance ? Does she find having a romance with a hologram acceptable? Did somebody tell the Doctor? In any case, I still don't see any points of connection between Chakotay and Seven.

Not that they aren't both nice people.

https://youtu.be/EE_Jd_njHgI

But Basically what we've got is a situation where THE DOC likes SEVEN ... who LIKES CHACOTAY ... who liked JANEWAY.

*DOC ---> SEVEN ---> CHACOTAY ----> JANEWAY *

I think I can live with that Otherwise we'll just be going in circles as to who had chemistry and who didn't.

"What RANK is she as CHIEF ENGINEER??? After he's thrown into the BRIGG for 30 days wasn't he also DEMOTED DOWN to the lowest rank possible again???

Her "rank" was lieutenant, her "position" was Chief Engineer.

So she'd also OUT RANK him as being an OFFICER???"

Voyager seemed to me to play fast and loose with rank. Tom Paris dropped a rank for a year and nothing seemed to change. At other times Harry Kim (an ensign) would take charge of the ship as acting Captain. And how the heck did they let the Doctor keep his Emergency Command function?

Gack..now I'm starting to remember a lot of other plot holes.

_"So what begins as his becoming ROMANTICALLY attracted to and attached to the other BLOND WOMAN (who's a FORMER BORG on the planet where the FORMER BORG members live), then proceeds to still another similar situation where he kind of MIND MELDS (to use a VULCAN term) with SEVEN.

So that would also help explain the reason why he'd feel a CLOSER CONNECTION to SEVEN than to other females on the ship.

Because he'd also actually have been INSIDE of her MIND and SEEN what's there.

Thus also making it possible for him to KNOW and UNDERSTAND her better than anyone else on the ship.

The eppy where he's connected to the MIND of SEVEN happens in S4 (where JANEWAY makes the DEAL with the BORG to fight together against the other SPECIES that can DEFEAT the BORG).

It's also the eppy where SEVEN is first introduced to the show and is disconnected from the HIVE after B'Elanna knocks her out when she tries to ASSIMILATE the SHIP's CONSOLE and the CREW.

And that also helps to explain the reason why SEVEN would feel more close to CHAKOTYA than she would to the DOC or to anyone else on the ship.

Because technically speaking he would also have (at least temporarily) been a member of her HIVE at the time when he SHARES her MIND and her CHILDHOOD MEMORIES with her."

_ That actually makes a lot of sense. I just wish they would have put that thinking into some story lines. But as Cyrano Jones would say: "What would happen to mans search for knowledge?".

Military rank never made a lot of sense to me in real life let alone Star Trek. Why doesn't a Sargent Major outrank a Lieutenant Colonel? And where the heck does a Commodore fit in?

But on Voyager, rank seemed to be a good idea rather than a rule and then bringing in the Maquis only stirs the pot. But what do we have? The lowest ranking officer on a starship, once the captain, first officer and head of security are gone becomes acting captain. On TOS that would have fallen to Scotty. On Voyager, Be'lanna Torres should have been acting captain. And I still have problems with the Doctor becoming acting captain. I can see that for about five minutes before you get a real officer on the bridge. Otherwise they might as well feed a leadership textbook into the computer.

You have such interesting references.

All I have is this:

https://youtu.be/Dcu6GEti_94

**In one night time scene, Janeway is standing alone in the moonlight with a Bay wind blowing leaves on a flat grave marker inside San Francisco National Cemetery. She stoops to wipe the leaves away; the marker simply reads: Chakotay 2329 - 2394*.

So apparently he also died at age 65.

Did Chakotay ever have a second name?

And it also tells us that the NEVER PROMOTED HARRY KIM finally made it to being the CAPTAIN of a SHIP:

Harry Kim is the captain of the USS Rhode Island. He goes to stop Admiral Janeway from going back in time, but he ultimately decides to help his old friend in her cause. In the present timeline, young Ensign Kim is anxious to pursue what is inside the nebula. An amused Captain Janeway tells him "you may be the captain some day, but not today." In the alternate future, Admiral Janeway reminds Captain Kim of the time when he was still an Ensign on Voyager that he wanted to enter the Borg-infested nebula because of the promise of a way home it held, and he reminds her that she stopped him. As a result, USS Voyager's return journey back to the Alpha Quadrant takes 23 years. Janeway says that she now regrets that decision, given what happened later on, and if she knew then that these things would happen she would have indeed taken the risk.

And that also make one wonder why ADMIRAL JANEWAY didn't go back in time to that TIME where she STOPS HARRY instead of going back to the time where she lets the BORG QUEEN ASSIMILATE her, because if she went back to the other time she may also not have needed to die???

So was "Endgame" an alternate future or the actual one for the Star Trek time line?

Just a thought: The Doctor should have a police call box. Probably presented by Tom Paris (who knows about such things).

" To our very own time traveling Doctor with no name, his very own TARDIS"

I could have sworn that the entire ship (or at least bits and pieces of it) did some time travel. And if the ship did then the Doctor did. But I'm working from memory here.

I think you're looking for this:

Futures End:

Storyline

In 1967, an apparent meteor crashes in the forest near a lone camper. Flash forward to the 24th century, where Voyager is on its trek back to the Alpha Quadrant. An artificial temporal rift opens in front of them, and a Federation vessel from the 29th century emerges. The pilot, CAPT Braxton, says that Voyager somehow is responsible for a temporal disruption in his time that destroys Earth's solar system. So he begins an attack on them, hoping to change the future. In defending themselves, Voyager disables Braxton's time ship, and he is pulled back into the time rift; so too is Voyager. Braxton's vessel is flung back to 1967 and is the meteor seen at the beginning. Voyager only goes back to 1996. Once in the 20th century, Voyager detects a warp signature in the Los Angeles area, so an away team - Janeway, Chakotay, Paris, and Tuvok - goes to investigate. Unknowingly, a SETI scientist - Rain - who has been scanning for a particular radiation signature finds it emanating from Voyager ...

So the Doctor did in fact time travel.

@Invidia said:

Yes, but did the SHIP itself actually TIME TRAVEL when it's caught in the RIFT that opens up???

The SHIP from the 29TH CENTURY can TIME TRAVEL, but since VOYAGER itself didn't have the TECHNOLOGY to do that, and only does it because of it's encounter with the other ship, does that really count as a case of TIME TRAVEL for the VOYAGER???

If we were on a ship and another ship from the 30th CENTURY showed up, and opens up a RIFT that sucked us back into the 1960's or the 1990's, would the ship we're on have TIME TRAVELED, or would it have merely gotten thrown back in time by the other ship that opens the RIFT that threw us back in time???

Well now you're just arguing semantics.

If a ship was in the 24th century and travelled to the 20th century then it time travelled. Whether the trip was voluntary or not is irrelevant.

As a side note the Federation does have the ability to voluntarily time travel.

Assignment Earth (TOS 1968)

The ENTERPRISE, on a historical research mission to observe earth in 1968. intercepts a powerful transporter beam from a distant part of the galaxy. A human male dressed in 20th century business suit and carrying a black cat materializes on the pad. Calling himself Gary Seven informs Capt Kirk that he is on a vital mission. Kirk unsure of his identity and motives orders him to be taken to brig Seven and his cat, Isis, attack the ENTERPRISE crew in attempt to escape and overpower Kirk and his men. Even Spocks "Vulcan Neck Pinch" is ineffective against him. Kirk finally stuns him with phaser and orders "Bones" Mc'Coy to examine him and determine if human. In the briefing room Kirk and Spock receive McCoy's report. Seven is human, in fact is a perfect human speciman with no scars or imperfections. Spock remarks that Seven's cat is a lovely animal and is strangely attached to it. In the brig Seven removes what appears to be pen from his pocket which uses to disable the force field and stun the security officer. Heading to the transporter room is joined by Isis and beams down to an office suite in New York City. Seven attempts to access the Beta-5 computer, hidden behind a sliding bookcase, but the computer refuses to recognize him. Declaring himself to the computer as Supervisor 194 attempts to access it. He describes his mission, humans taken from earth 6,000 years in the past have been selectively breed and trained by a superior alien civilization to undertake mission on earth. Seven asks the computer for status of Agents 201 and 347. At this time a young woman enters the office. Seven mistakes her for Agent 201 and ask where she had been for past 3 days and to write a report using voice activated typewriter When the woman reacts with confusion to Seven's request, Seven has computer to scan her. The computer reveals she is Roberta Lincoln, 20 yr secretary hired by 201 & 347 to supposedly do research for an encyclopedia. Realizing his mistake has the computer scan all communications to locate the missing agents. The Beta-5 reveals that 201 and 347 were killed in a car crash near McKinley Rocket base. Their mission was to arrange for a failure in an upcoming launch of an orbital nuclear platform by the United States. Meanwhile Spock and Kirk disguised in 20th century clothing track Seven to the suite .Rushing in they demand that Roberta tell them where Seven is. Roberta calls the police while Spock and Kirk try to break into the inner office after Seven uses a transporter device hidden in large walk-in safe to transport to McKinley Rocket base. The police enter the suite while Kirk and Spock are transporting back to the ENTERPRISE. The two police officers are picked up by the transporter beam and materialize back on the ENTERPRISE with Kirk and Spock. Kirk has the transporter reversed and sends the 2 police officers back to the suite. Seven in meantime has materialized at McKinley Rocket Base where he is captured by a security officer. Seven warns Isis to be careful and not get stepped on. Isis emits an yeowl and Seven uses the distraction to stun the security officer. He then conceals himself in the trunk of the launch director's car when he inspects the launch pad. Seven then rides up the gantry to the top of the rocket where he opens an access panel and begins to rewire the rocket's guidance system. Kirk and Spock having discovered Seven's target have the ENTERPRISE transport them to McKinley Rocket Base. Materializing outside a hanger they are captured by the security officer who has regained consciousness Mr Scott, who has been keeping McKinley Rocket Base under observation spots Seven and attempts to beam him aboard the ENTERPRISE. Roberta has discovered Seven's secret transporter portal by moving a pen on a desk set. She then accidently activates the transporter which beams him from the ENTERPRISE back to the office suite. The rocket blasts off, Seven asks the Beta- 5 computer if his tampering with the rocket's guidance system was sufficient to take over. The Beta-5 answers affirmative if done on manual. Roberta, watching as Seven takes over control sending the rocket off course and arming the warhead, becomes concerned. She takes a metal cigarette case and strikes him on the head. She then takes his Servo device and holds him prisoner. Seven attempts to get Roberta to let him finish what he started, otherwise the warhead will detonate on impact triggering a thermo-nuclear war. Spock and Kirk have been taken to the launch control center and held at gunpoint by security. Mr Scott attempts to contact Kirk to inform him of the rocket launch and malfunction. Spock uses the Vulcan Neck Pinch to disable the security officer when he picks up Kirk's communicator in response to Mr Scott's call. Kirk and Spock are beamed to Seven's suite. Seven disarms Roberta, handing his servo to Kirk and informing her that it was set to kill. Kirk asks Spock if he can take over the rocket and detonate the warhead. Spock said he does not have sufficient time to study the Beta-5 to safely detonate the warhead. Kirk is forced to trust Seven and tells him to complete the job and detonate the warhead. Seven has the Beta-5 detonate the warhead at 104 miles above earth, sufficient to convince governments of need to ban such devices. Roberta looking at Isis on the couch sees a beautiful exotic woman instead. Questioning Seven as to who the woman is she is told by Seven that is merely his cat. Isis having transformed back to a cat. As Kirk and Spock bid Seven and Roberta farewell inform them that will have some interesting experiences in store.

I think we have different definitions of time travel.

I contend that anytime someone travels through time (other than the normal one) is in fact time travel, regardless of it being voluntary.

My understanding is that you believe time travel must be controlled by the traveler for it to count as time travel.

Yes? No?

(I totally forgot about the whales.)

@Invidia said:

Unlike you, I still don't have a definition of TIME TRAVEL (which is also still too confusing for me).

All one did was give you the Definition put forth in that LINK where it states this after the QUESTION that's put forth:

http://star-trek.answers.wikia.com/wiki/Why_can%27t_voyager_time_travel

QUESTION:

Why can't voyager time travel?

ANSWER:

Time travel implies a controlled effect wherein an object actually moves through time at anything different than the normal relative rate.

In the events of Year Of Hell pt.II Voyager does not travel back in time, only the viewer does, and only because that timeline ceased to exist.

Yes, Voyager did end up in the 1990s but that was due to an accident involving Captain Braxton and the ship Aeon and the other instances involved alien technology and unforseen consequences like Kes moving backwards through time because of the Krenim temporal torpedo and the Doctor's treatment to extend her life in the future. Kes also managed to travel to the past because of her abilities in the episode Fury but since it required the power of Voyager's warp core to send just one person back in time it is likely it would of taken much more energy for the whole ship to travel through time in that way

So according to this theory (which isn't mine), TIME TRAVEL has to be the result of a CONTROLLED EFFECT, where one also moves at MORE than he SPEED of LIGHT???

Because isn't the SPEED of LIGHT also still the NORMAL RELATIVE RATE???

And since it was an ACCIDENT when they got SUCKED into the RIFT and end up in the 1990's, by the CONTROLLED EFFECT DEFINITION, that also doesn't count, ( due to the way they weren't IN CONTROL of what happens to them when they went BACK in TIME)???

And it was also a result of ALIEN TECHNOLOGY from a FUTURE TIME that enables them to GO BACK in time???

But since they also ERASED the situation that caused them to end up BACK in TIME in the first place, then it would also be as if they'd NEVER GONE back in time at all???

It's the same as in ENDGAME where SEVEN DIES in the TIMELINE where they take the LONG WAY HOME.

But since JANEWAY CHEATS ...

and BREAKS the TEMPORAL PRIME DIRECTIVE ...

when ADMIRAL JANEWAY goes 25 YEARS BACK in TIME ...

as a way to get CAPT. JANEWAY and her CREW HOME AGAIN before that happens ...

the TIME LINE where SEVEN DIES also ceased to exit when they take the SHORTER WAY HOME through the BORG CREATION???

And since that was also a CONTROLLED situation where ADMIRAL JANEWAY takes some ADVANCED TECHNOLOGY 25 years BACK in TIME, does that NEGATE the situation, or did THE VOYAGER TIME TRAVEL when they got HOME by taking the SHORT CUT through that HUB???

Or was that a case of SPACE TRAVEL instead of TIME TRAVEL???

But aren't SPACE and TIME also suppose to be INTERWOVEN together, which is also the reason why we call it SPACE-TIME???

Space-time, in physical science, single concept that recognizes the union of space and time, posited by Albert Einstein in the theories of relativity (1905, 1916). Common intuition previously supposed no connection between space and time.

Space-time | physics | Britannica.com www.britannica.com/science/space-time

So how the HELL can one TRAVEL through SPACE without also going through TIME as well???

And isn't there also that other THEORY where if one person leaves and travels through SPACE faster than the SPEED of LIGHT, then they could also end up coming back again to find the other person they left behind many years older than they were???

Whatever the case may be, apparently the DEATH of SEVEN and the FATE of TUVOK get ERASED when ADMIRAL JANEWAY breaks the TEMPORAL PRIME DIRECTIVE and goes BACK in TIME as a way to bring the SHIP back home earlier than planned:

http://memory-alpha.wikia.com/wiki/Endgame_(episode)

Admiral Janeway says next: Seven of Nine is going to die. She will be mortally wounded on an away mission and manage to return to Voyager, where she will die in her husband's arms. And who will be the husband? Chakotay. The only thing that keeps him alive after that is the will to get Voyager home. But once that has been done, he will not live long, dying well before his time.

Though shaken, Captain Janeway reasons that she can avoid this happening now that she knows about it. But Admiral Janeway is not finished. She tells her she will lose 22 crewmembers between now and the return to Earth. Then she mentions Tuvok. This stuns Captain Janeway even more. She demands, Temporal Prime Directive or not, to learn what happens to him. Admiral Janeway reveals his degenerative neurological disorder to her. He has not told her about it. There is a cure in the Alpha Quadrant, but by the time they get there, the disease will have progressed so far that it will become incurable, his logic will be severely damaged and he will become senile. He will thus spend the rest of his life in a mental hospital. Captain Janeway stares at her, horrified. Her future self asks her pointedly if she is willing to pass up a chance to prevent any of these tragedies from happening for the sake of Starfleet principles.

So still another question is DID ADMIRAL JANEWAY really DIE when she lets the BORG QUEEN ASSIMILATE her???

Because if CAPT JANEWAY safely makes it back home again with SEVEN andwith the rest of her crew, then would it be necessary for THE OLDER VERSION of herself to GO BACK in TIME AGAIN 25 YEARS LATER as a way to get herself back home again???

Or would that TIME LINE have also been ERASED???

And if so, then would VOYAGER have ever even ended up in the DELTA QUADRANT???

As was said before ....

TIME TRAVEL is just too CONFUSING to try to contemplate it in a RATIONAL way.

OK let's cut to the chase.

Time Travel is fantasy. Anybody can make up their own rules for how it works. You cannot use your definition to disprove someone else's. In "_Somewhere in Time" _ the hero puts on a suit. I don't judge.

My personal view of time travel may not agree with yours. But as a friend of mine has said: Go back in time and prove it then I'll agree with you.

I do apologize for the misunderstanding. I do get into extended arguments over what turns out to be confused definitions.

I hope this clears things up:

https://youtu.be/SFgw3IINwPM

The trick is to hold two contrary truths in your head at the same time.

(Drinking helps.)

Best answer:

Do you want to watch a brand new show about time travel?

Seen it.

It was "Threshold"

This guy really didn't like it:

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Can this be as horrible as I just read?!
14 February 2015 | by MartinHafer – See all my reviews

According to IMDb, this is among the most hated episodes of the series. And, when I read through the six reviews for the show, one was lukewarm and the other five totally hated it. So is this really that bad? After all, there have been so many horrible episodes of the various Star Trek shows! Mind you, I love the shows but I also am honest enough with myself to admit that on rare occasions the Trek shows and films let down the viewers. I am a fan but I am NOT a fanatic!

When the show begins, Paris and a few other crew members are working on trying to achieve warp 10. We are told that in theory this would allow for instantaneous travel ANYWHERE...but is it possible? Well, eventually they are ready to test this outside the holodeck and Paris insists that he be allowed to pilot the shuttle on the attempt. At first, it seems to work...but of course it cannot work perfectly, otherwise the series would come to an end and they'd all be home in the middle of the second season!

What follows reminds me a lot of the remake of "The Fly" but with a lot less coherence. It also wasn't bad...that is until the end. Then, it became completely bat$&#* crazy...as well as stupid! You really have to see this one to believe it...but I can see much of why folks disliked this episode...it was kooky indeed! But is it the worst? I don't think so, as the final episode of the original series featured Kirk getting a sex change and suffering a HUGE menopausal mood shift, a terrible "Star Trek: Deep Space 9" episode involving a baseball game in the holodeck and much of season one and two of "Star Trek: Voyager" at least give it a run for the money as worst episode!

Personally, the part I didn't like was that they turned into lizards. Isn't that backwards evolution? My grandchildren are going to be great big giant brains sitting on top of tiny crab bodies. For entertainment we'll kidnap aliens and force them to fight each other.

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Who is the BALD HEADED DOLL next to KIM in the BLUE UNIFORM???

The Doctor

Kids always get chased by the uncle.

My definition of time travel is fairly straight forward:

You travel through time at a different speed and/or direction than everyone else. It can be willing or not. It's possible to change location but that doesn't affect the definition.

Consider "The Time Machine" by H.G. Wells, it stayed in one location.

     "It's About Time" Two astronauts are accidently thrown back in time.

     The Tardis of course breaks down on a regular basis.

     TOS had a number of ways to time travel from "slingshotting" around the sun                     to  having a librarian shove you through a door.

I question whether or not "Quantum Leap" was in fact time travel. He did not leave his laboratory. His mind went back to inhabit someone else.

I'm also not sure about changing dimensions. Is going to a dimension that is in a prior age any different than going to Amish country?