I thought it was Star Trek: Deep Space Nine that was supposed to be just Babylon 5 with more money.

@znexyish said:

This board and the old board seemed to me to have more Star Trek and DC/Marvel aficionados. Just curious if anyone here gives a crap. Each of the new Disney SW movies always stir up a Wookies worth of trouble. Do you dress up like a Storm Trooper in your off hours or do you think it is just Babylon 5 with more money?

I haven't seen any of these new Star Wars movies except episode 7. Im just more of a Marvel fan.

@znexyish said:

This board and the old board seemed to me to have more Star Trek and DC/Marvel aficionados. Just curious if anyone here gives a crap. Each of the new Disney SW movies always stir up a Wookies worth of trouble. Do you dress up like a Storm Trooper in your off hours or do you think it is just Babylon 5 with more money?

Sci-Fi movies and TV shows - proof that God loves us and wants us to be happy.

Rabid Fan/Yes. Stuart-like Aficionado/No.

I don't dress up at any time for any of them--but, other than that I am now and have always been an addict in the worse way!

If I had a dollar for every dime I've ever spent on these “leisure-interests”; student loan debts would be a distance memory. (And, just so we are clear on this; I do not want to be cured—ever!)

@Knixon said:

I thought it was Star Trek: Deep Space Nine that was supposed to be just Babylon 5 with more money.

Just wanted to use Babylon 5 in a post. Also aren't both just aliens with bumpy foreheads and funny hairstyles.

Not really, Babylon 5 had the Shadows, and the Vorlons (non-corporeal) and the other First Ones...

@Knixon said:

Not really, Babylon 5 had the Shadows, and the Vorlons (non-corporeal) and the other First Ones...

So many aliens, so little time to remember all of them. At least in Star Wars a lot of them were all together in the Cantina.

But the ones they interacted with, aside from Jabba, were mostly "people" with bumpy/furry heads, etc.

And then there is Chewbacca who was furry all over. Ewoks too.

I'm currently going through, in chronological order, the Marvel shows and films. They are hit and miss.

I'm WAY more Star Trek than Star Wars. Time after time, the stories seem the same in Star Wars. Destroy the Death Star. Destroy this ship. And in between a bunch of boring mumbo jumbo I really don't care about. I didn't go see "SOLO" and won't. For the first time, I missed the last Star Wars film in the theater, and still haven't seen it.

Star Wars has just become very dull. To me at least.

@censorshipsucks06 said:

I'm currently going through, in chronological order, the Marvel shows and films. They are hit and miss.

I'm WAY more Star Trek than Star Wars. Time after time, the stories seem the same in Star Wars. Destroy the Death Star. Destroy this ship. And in between a bunch of boring mumbo jumbo I really don't care about. I didn't go see "SOLO" and won't. For the first time, I missed the last Star Wars film in the theater, and still haven't seen it.

Star Wars has just become very dull. To me at least.

Star wars is 70% political drama and 30% space opera. The imbalance makes it less interesting than some other franchises. Marvel films are simply more fun to watch.

@censorshipsucks06 said:

I'm currently going through, in chronological order, the Marvel shows and films. They are hit and miss.

I'm WAY more Star Trek than Star Wars. Time after time, the stories seem the same in Star Wars. Destroy the Death Star. Destroy this ship. And in between a bunch of boring mumbo jumbo I really don't care about. I didn't go see "SOLO" and won't. For the first time, I missed the last Star Wars film in the theater, and still haven't seen it.

Star Wars has just become very dull. To me at least.

Humorist/author/columnist James Lileks has argued that the percentage of bad Star Wars is much higher than the percentage of bad Star Trek, in large part simply because so much more of Star Trek EXISTS. HUNDREDS of hours.

@censorshipsucks06 said:

I'm currently going through, in chronological order, the Marvel shows and films. They are hit and miss.

I'm WAY more Star Trek than Star Wars. Time after time, the stories seem the same in Star Wars. Destroy the Death Star. Destroy this ship. And in between a bunch of boring mumbo jumbo I really don't care about. I didn't go see "SOLO" and won't. For the first time, I missed the last Star Wars film in the theater, and still haven't seen it.

Star Wars has just become very dull. To me at least.

Something you'll never see on my headstone. (I've left instructions--and means. )

@Knixon said:

Humorist/author/columnist James Lileks has argued that the percentage of bad Star Wars is much higher than the percentage of bad Star Trek, in large part simply because so much more of Star Trek EXISTS. HUNDREDS of hours.

Where would you put Dr. Who in this. More television years but only two movies.

Dr Who covered a lot of years, but as is common with British/European shows, there are just a few complete episodes per season (what they call a "series"). In some cases there are gaps of several years between "series," which happened with Red Dwarf but not Dr Who. Except between the 1963 version and the 2005 reboot.

Anyway, the version that started in 1963 is credited with only 159 complete episodes (some episodes were a group of smaller "parts" some just a few minutes each), and it took them 23 years to do it. The version that started in 2005 has only 127 full episodes that I see counted, over 13 years.

Star Trek: The Next Generation had 178 episodes in 7 seasons.

Deep Space Nine had 176 episodes in 7 seasons.

Voyager had 172 episodes in 7 seasons.

The only "pikers" were TOS with 79 episodes, and Enterprise with 98.

Add those up and you get a total of 703 episodes. Both iterations of Dr Who combined only have 286. Then there are the Trek movies too.

Star Wars also suffers from "PREQUEL-ITIS". Prequels, and stand alone prequel stories, are completely void of any real drama. Okay - let's start with the premise that at the end of most movies, we know the 'good guys' are gonna prevail. We get that. But when stories are told in a proper chronological order, there's always that SLIM chance in our minds that the hero - or maybe just some of his patriots - may not make it. So there's tension. There's real drama. That's all lost in a prequel. Watching young Ben Kenobi or Anakin Skywalker get into one of the many chase scenes or fights is BORING - because we KNOW they survive. They have to because we know what happens to them in A New Hope, Empire Strikes Back, and Return of the Jedi. Same with EVERY character that's previously been in what I call the "Main 3" Star Wars films.

I'm the kind of customer that wants to know NOTHING about the film before I see it. I want to be genuinely surprised as the story is unveiled. So when I saw the fate of Han Solo in The Force Awakens, I was genuinely shocked. But again - all that is LOST in a prequel. We already know where the story HAS to go. This is even true in the Indiana Jones series, where the arguably weakest film was the prequel "Temple of Doom" which I actually walked out of (okay - I was young and on a date and she didn't like it and wanted the date to move on - and I wasn't into it enough to sacrifice where I was hoping the date was going to watch "Temple").

At least in Star Trek, when they decided to go back and shoot films with the original characters, they created a "Kelvin Timeline" so all the stories could be fresh again.

One article from 2015 said it best about Star Wars...

"Through six movies, "Star Wars" refuses to offer compelling turning points or unexpected elements, and the whole paternity/sibling thing hardly compensates. The scenes are repetitive and take forever. Talk talk talk, attack and defense, more explanation and 10,000 instantly forgotten character names, always dull. Weak storytelling and minimal emotional engagement equals snooze fest."

Repetitive is the perfect description of Star Wars. I honestly believe that George Lucas is the most over-rated storyteller/producer, and when he bothers to step into the chair - director, of our times. Outside of Raiders of the Lost Ark, and Last Crusade (BOTH directed and SAVED by Steven Spielberg), and the original Star Wars (A New Hope), most of Lucas' stories and films are a big let down. Don't think so? Try chronologically watching the Star Wars series in order over a weekend. But bring some toothpicks to keep your eyes pried open during the first three installments.