Item: 乘风破浪的姐姐
Language: zh-CN
Type of Problem: Design_issue
Extra Details: The sixth season of this show, "Ride the Wind 2025," was aired on March 21, 2025. However, the moderator has locked this show and prohibited the addition of new seasons. I would like to inquire about the reason for the lock and hope that the lock can be lifted to allow the addition of new seasons, as a new season has already been broadcast.
https://w.mgtv.com/b/739911/22625915.html?fpa=1101&fpos=&lastp=ch_home
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Reply by Sunhelter
on March 23, 2025 at 1:57 AM
我觉得与其继续添加第六季不如把第三季之后的都拆分成独立的条目,因为芒果只有第一季和第二季沿用了《乘风破浪的姐姐》(Sisters who make waves)这个标题,目前中文标题是乘风+年份,英文标题Ride the Wind,已经完全和以前不一样了。"浪姐6"只是观众的叫法,并不是官方称呼。
至于锁定的原因,TMDB上所有反馈过有问题的条目都会被锁定,这个条目锁定是因为之前有人把衍生的节目添加为了第20、21等季,也是反馈了很久才被删掉
Reply by x1ao4
on March 23, 2025 at 3:30 AM
这个节目每一季的标题分别为:乘风破浪的姐姐(2020)(第一季)、乘风破浪的姐姐(2021)(第二季)、乘风破浪(2022)(第三季)、乘风2023(2023)(第四季)、乘风2024(2024)(第五季)、乘风2025(2025)(第六季)。
The titles of each season of this show are as follows: Sisters Who Make Waves (2020) (Season 1), Sisters Who Make Waves (2021) (Season 2), Ride the Wind and Waves (2022) (Season 3), Ride the Wind 2023 (2023) (Season 4), Ride the Wind 2024 (2024) (Season 5), and Ride the Wind 2025 (2025) (Season 6).
节目是因为客观原因被迫改名,先从“乘风破浪的姐姐”改为了“乘风破浪”,而后又改为了“乘风(年份)”,节目名称并不是完全更改,只是进行了缩短,并不是改为了全新的名字。而节目的定位和内容,以及制作,也都是统一的风格和内容,并未因为节目名称的更改而有任何变化。节目的 LOGO 也从第一季沿用至了第六季,虽然名称变短了,但图形 LOGO 是一直保持不变的,字体风格也基本保持一致,并未做更改。节目录制过程中,也并未使用新的计季方式,无论是主持人还是参与人员,都是以乘风破浪的姐姐(2020)作为起始季最本节目进行季的计算和称呼的,浪姐一到浪姐六。无论是官方还是民间讨论,都没有人把改名后的节目作为一个新节目来谈论,因为节目本来就没有改变过(除了名字)。
The show was forced to undergo a name change due to objective reasons. Initially, it changed from "Sisters Who Make Waves" to "Ride the Wind and Waves," and later to "Ride the Wind (Year)." However, this was not a complete renaming but rather a shortening of the original title (In Chinese, only the latter words were removed, while the wording and grammatical structure remained unchanged), rather than an entirely new name. The show’s format, content, and production style have remained consistent throughout, unaffected by the title change. The show’s logo has also been used consistently from Season 1 to Season 6. While the name has been shortened, the graphic logo has remained unchanged, and the font style has largely stayed the same.
During the recording of the show, no new season numbering method was introduced. Both the hosts and participants have continued to consider Sisters Who Make Waves (2020) as the first season and refer to the seasons sequentially from there, calling them Sisters 1 through Sisters 6. In both official and public discussions, no one has treated the renamed version as a new show, as nothing about the program itself has changed—except for its name.
类似的情况还有很多,例如“奔跑吧兄弟”改名“奔跑吧”,“披荆斩棘的哥哥”改名“披荆斩棘”,“明星大侦探”改名“大侦探”,“萌探探探案”改名“萌探(年份)”,基本上都是因为客观原因被迫改名,改名也只是缩短了内容,或者加上了年份,主题并未改变,节目除了标题也没有任何新的变化。并没有实质上的改变。因此他们虽然改了名字,但并不应该作为独立的新节目重新建立条目,而是应该继续留存在原始条目中。
There are many similar cases, such as "Running Man (奔跑吧兄弟)" changing to "Keep Running (奔跑吧)," "Call Me by Fire (披荆斩棘的哥哥)" changing to "Call Me by Fire(披荆斩棘)," "Who's the Murderer? (明星大侦探)" changing to "Who's the Murderer? (大侦探)," and "The Adventures of detective (萌探探探案)" changing to "The Adventures of detective (萌探(年份))." (Some of these shows’ English titles remained unchanged, while their Chinese titles were shortened)
In these cases, the title change was also due to objective reasons, often just shortening the name or adding the year, without altering the show's theme. Aside from the title, the shows remained unchanged in format and content. Therefore, despite the name changes, they should not be treated as entirely new independent programs but should continue to be listed under the original entries.
因为综艺节目和电视节目存在一个季序号和季标题的问题,季序号是季的排序,也就是第几季,而季标题是季的名称,如果一个季没有季标题,那么我们会直接使用季序号来指代这个节目的某一季,但如果存在季标题,我们可以使用季标题来称呼这一季,而不一定要使用季序号。存在季标题并不代表他与季序号存在冲突。
For variety and television shows, the concept of a season number and a season title exists. The season number indicates the sequence (i.e., which season it is), while the season title is the specific name given to that season. If a season does not have a season title, we refer to it by its season number. However, if a season title is present, it can be used to refer to that season instead of the season number. The existence of a season title does not conflict with the season number.
据我所知,并不是所有反馈过问题的条目都会被锁定,反馈了问题的条目,如果反馈的问题清晰明了,并且确实存在,管理员验证后会直接进行相应的操作,例如删除错误的条目,或者修改对应的内容等等,并不是有反馈就直接锁定,而是会根据反馈的内容进行处理。当然也存在一些由于某些原因被锁定的情况,具体原因不得而知。
As far as I know, not all entries that have been reported for issues will be locked. If the reported issue is clear and indeed exists, moderators will verify it and take appropriate action, such as deleting incorrect entries or modifying relevant content. Reports do not automatically lead to locking; instead, actions are taken based on the nature of the feedback. Of course, there are some cases where entries are locked for certain reasons, but the specific reasons are unknown.
Reply by Sunhelter
on March 23, 2025 at 3:52 AM
对于中国大陆的节目来说Season是一个舶来品,对于"浪姐"无论是芒果TV还是豆瓣条目他们都是作为一个独立的条目展示的,因此我认为作为独立条目并非完全错误。
由于中国的综艺节目并未被作为特殊规则列在网站使用手册中,那么根据剧集编辑参考手册中“If the title of a TV show changes during its initial broadcast, we update the original title and add the previous title as an alternative title”这一原则,是否需要将标题改为《乘风2025》(Ride The Wind)呢?
至于锁定,事实就是由于之前的错误季数导致管理员在删除错误季数后锁定了添加新季的按钮。如果你不认可这个原因也可以,无需纠正我的说法。
Reply by x1ao4
on March 23, 2025 at 4:15 AM
你有你的观点,我有我的观点,让 TMDB 的管理员来决定他们应该在一个条目里还是作为独立条目编辑吧。
You have your opinion, and I have mine. Let TMDB's moderators decide whether these should be under one entry or edited as separate entries.
如果“乘风2025”要作为独立条目编辑,那“乘风破浪、乘风2023、乘风2024”也需要被移除出去。而我并不认为作为独立的条目是一个好的(清晰)的信息呈现方式。也并不符合节目官方和民间的讨论用法。而且这也会给之前使用这个方式来组织和管理文件的用户带来很大的麻烦。
如果这个节目要把改名的季移出去,那前面我提到的所有节目都要把改名的季移出去吗?我认为这并不合理,也不合适。
If Ride the Wind 2025 is to be edited as an independent entry, then Ride the Wind and Waves, Ride the Wind 2023, and Ride the Wind 2024 should also be removed. However, I don’t believe presenting them as separate entries is a good (clear) way of presenting the information, nor does it align with how the show is discussed both officially and publicly. Moreover, this would cause significant trouble for users who have previously used this method to organize and manage their entries.
If this show is going to move out the season with the name change, then should all the shows I mentioned earlier also move out their seasons with name changes? I don't think this is reasonable or appropriate.
国内原本确实没有季这个概念,但是现在很多节目已经开始引入这个概念,并且在节目录制和民间讨论中也在使用这个概念,你可以认为“乘风破浪的姐姐”变成“乘风”是节目名称的改变,我也可以说这只是一个季标题的改变。
国内的电视剧以前也存在 第一部、第二部这个概念,某些程度上来讲,这与季的概念是类似的,而续集可能会更改名字,很多时候故事内容是延续的,他们的本质还是同一个系列内容,既然 TMDB 有季的概念,我认为吧这个续集的概念套用到季上也无妨,当然只是个人观点。所以改名这个问题,我会把它看做是季标题的改变,而非节目名称的实质改变。
Originally, the concept of seasons did not exist in China, but many shows have now adopted this concept, and it is being used in both production and public discussions. You may consider the change from "Sisters Who Make Waves" to "Ride the Wind" as a name change, while I see it as simply a change in the season title.
In the past, domestic TV dramas also had the concept of "Part 1" and "Part 2," which, to some extent, is similar to the concept of seasons. Sequels might have different titles, but in many cases, the storyline continues, and essentially, they still belong to the same series. Since TMDB has the concept of seasons, I think applying the idea of sequels to seasons is acceptable—just my personal opinion. Therefore, I consider title changes as modifications to the season title rather than a fundamental change to the show's name.
我并没有纠正你的说法,我只是陈述我的看法,提出我认为存在的问题,我的观点是否符合 TMDB 的规定,就交给管理员去判定吧。
I am not correcting your statement; I am merely expressing my opinion and pointing out the issues I believe exist. Whether my viewpoint aligns with TMDB's rules should be left to the moderators to decide.
Reply by weilailai0926
on April 5, 2025 at 5:16 AM
对于观众来说,这就是浪姐的新一季,第六季,没有人会去刻意强调这是乘风2025,这已经是观众心中默认的事情了,突然锁定,独立开来,十分不方便
Reply by AceCandy
on May 1, 2025 at 11:59 PM
还是建议开放的,一旦去深究就会出现锁定或者多词条不方便维护的情况。和普通剧集这种不一样,普通剧集有关联的才会被称为season,综艺的简单点就算没有关联但就维护在一起多季也比较符合国情。