It's been readded here: https://www.themoviedb.org/tv/280975-helluva-boss?language=en-US

@mrmelon54 said:

What if an entry contains videos from other video hosting sites? They obviously don't fall under the YouTube videos rule.

what did you mean by this?

@softpillow said:

It's been readded here: https://www.themoviedb.org/tv/280975-helluva-boss?language=en-US

This is a dead link already

@mrmelon54 said:

@softpillow said:

It's been readded here: https://www.themoviedb.org/tv/280975-helluva-boss?language=en-US

This is a dead link already

probably because I shared it here to be deleted by a mod.

theres another one: https://www.themoviedb.org/tv/280929-helluva-boss

@softpillow said:

@mrmelon54 said:

@softpillow said:

It's been readded here: https://www.themoviedb.org/tv/280975-helluva-boss?language=en-US

This is a dead link already

probably because I shared it here to be deleted by a mod.

oh, how about you let the mods find them on their own?

@mrmelon54 said:

@softpillow said:

@mrmelon54 said:

@softpillow said:

It's been readded here: https://www.themoviedb.org/tv/280975-helluva-boss?language=en-US

This is a dead link already

probably because I shared it here to be deleted by a mod.

oh, how about you let the mods find them on their own?

no because it would take longer. and thats the reason why lots of people think the mods "target" specific content to delete, because lots of content that goes against the rules arent reported or brought to the attentiom of mods sooner (theyre around for a long time on the site without coming to the attention of the mods). Just like the person in this thread that said "to me it just feels like a "screw this series in particular" situation, like someone on the site just doesn't like Helluva in particular".

So the sooner content like this is deleted the less likely people are to complain and get frustrated and think the rules are being applied unfairly and the less likely people will stumble into content that shouldnt be on the site and use the existence of those entries on the site as a reason to think to add more stuff that shouldnt be added here. I report other content I find that goes against the rules too not just this series.

@softpillow said:

@mrmelon54 said:

@softpillow said:

@mrmelon54 said:

@softpillow said:

It's been readded here: https://www.themoviedb.org/tv/280975-helluva-boss?language=en-US

This is a dead link already

probably because I shared it here to be deleted by a mod.

oh, how about you let the mods find them on their own?

no because it would take longer. and thats the reason why lots of people think the mods "target" specific content to delete, because lots of content that goes against the rules arent reported or brought to the attentiom of mods sooner (theyre around for a long time on the site without coming to the attention of the mods). Just like the person in this thread that said "to me it just feels like a "screw this series in particular" situation, like someone on the site just doesn't like Helluva in particular".

So the sooner content like this is deleted the less likely people are to complain and get frustrated and think the rules are being applied unfairly and the less likely people will stumble into content that shouldnt be on the site and use the existence of those entries on the site as a reason to think to add more stuff that shouldnt be added here. I report other content I find that goes against the rules too not just this series.

Well this whole thread is about us asking for helluva boss to be allowed on the site. So your comments telling the mods where to delete it don't really belong here.

@mrmelon54 said:

@softpillow said:

@mrmelon54 said:

@softpillow said:

@mrmelon54 said:

@softpillow said:

It's been readded here: https://www.themoviedb.org/tv/280975-helluva-boss?language=en-US

This is a dead link already

probably because I shared it here to be deleted by a mod.

oh, how about you let the mods find them on their own?

no because it would take longer. and thats the reason why lots of people think the mods "target" specific content to delete, because lots of content that goes against the rules arent reported or brought to the attentiom of mods sooner (theyre around for a long time on the site without coming to the attention of the mods). Just like the person in this thread that said "to me it just feels like a "screw this series in particular" situation, like someone on the site just doesn't like Helluva in particular".

So the sooner content like this is deleted the less likely people are to complain and get frustrated and think the rules are being applied unfairly and the less likely people will stumble into content that shouldnt be on the site and use the existence of those entries on the site as a reason to think to add more stuff that shouldnt be added here. I report other content I find that goes against the rules too not just this series.

Well this whole thread is about us asking for helluva boss to be allowed on the site. So your comments telling the mods where to delete it don't really belong here.

yes they do because not everyone agrees with the people on this thread that they should be allowed on this site, including the mods that are responding to the people on the thread. theres a clear established input from mods that this series doesnt belong on the site based on the rules so bringing up new entries for this series on this thread is relevant and more efficient for the mods and for anyone who thinks it should be kept to see developments about other decisions to keep or remove more entries for this series.

There is nothing about any of this that makes sense. If the users of the site seem to nearly unanimously be calling for change then is that not something the mods should clearly consider or at least give a direct statement on?

Besides that, no, the mods absolutely do not treat all content across the site equally. There is plenty of content that is as or more popular than Helluva Boss on the site that has never been taken down a single time, let alone a dozen times like this. One example being the various series from GLITCH: Murder Drones, The Amazing Digital Circus, etc. I do not see a single thing that differentiates that content from Helluva Boss. Helluva Boss is a high quality show produced by a full team at a real studio. A studio that is also responsible for making Hazbin Hotel, a show which is apparently allowed on here. The only singular distinction being that Hazbin was picked up for distribution by Amazon.

@ZedZed___ said:

There is nothing about any of this that makes sense. If the users of the site seem to nearly unanimously be calling for change then is that not something the mods should clearly consider or at least give a direct statement on?

No, just because users of a site want to change a site means the owner of the site should probably consider hearing them out, but if the owner disagrees then what they say goes. Have you read this thead youre typing on? There's like 5 responses from 2 different mods clearly explaining (giving a direct statement) the decision not to change the rules. Not to mention this is one thread of many where mods have given direct statements about this rule.

(Also Im sure this site has hundreds perhaps thousands of weekly users, not including all the other users of other sites/apps that use content from this site. Theres what like 10 people on this thread wanting to change the rules? Its a bit of a stretch to say "the users of the site seem to nearly unanimously be calling for a change", more like 10 people)

Besides that, no, the mods absolutely do not treat all content across the site equally. There is plenty of popular content on the site that has never been taken down a single time, let alone a dozen times like Helluva Boss. One example being the various series from GLITCH: Murder Drones, The Amazing Digital Circus, etc. I do not see a single thing that differentiates that content from Helluva Boss.

Murder Drones has not a single report made by a user: https://www.themoviedb.org/tv/261290-murder-drones/discuss/category/504794a319c29527aa000640 . Unless that report has been made private, or unless its a series that has been discussed and brought up to mods somewhere else in the forums (Since you didn't mention it had been brought up to mods prior Im assuming you are not claiming its been brought up to the mods before), as explained previously by a moderator in this same thread (again, reiterating that there has already been direct statements about this issue from mods??):

@lineker said:

Some general information:

1. We can only delete what we KNOW exists. This means once an entry has been deleted, we normally will keep an eye out for the same entry.
2. We generally don't have knowledge of every non-professional entry ever released on YouTube.
3. We depend on entries being reported or simply discovered by a moderator to fix incorrect content.

So maybe if someone reported it then it could have been deleted, but so far no one has.

The Amazing Digital Circus according to this response from a mod was professionally released on Netflix: https://www.themoviedb.org/tv/261145-the-amazing-digital-circus/discuss/66fc33858aa734b376a694e3. So apparently it has been professionally released- which is what separates it from Helluva Boss according to the discussions on this thread. That is something that differentiates it.

Which means this is a bad example you are using. So perhaps you only think the rules are not being enforced evenly because you are not aware or have not researched or have not inquired enough about why certain content has been kept on the site while others get deleted. The example you gave is evidence that mods treat content across the site equally

@softpillow said:

@ZedZed___ said:

There is nothing about any of this that makes sense. If the users of the site seem to nearly unanimously be calling for change then is that not something the mods should clearly consider or at least give a direct statement on?

No, just because users of a site want to change a site means the owner of the site should probably consider hearing them out, but if the owner disagrees then what they say goes. Have you read this thead youre typing on? There's like 5 responses from 2 different mods clearly explaining (giving a direct statement) the decision not to change the rules. Not to mention this is one thread of many where mods have given direct statements about this rule.

Besides that, no, the mods absolutely do not treat all content across the site equally. There is plenty of popular content on the site that has never been taken down a single time, let alone a dozen times like Helluva Boss. One example being the various series from GLITCH: Murder Drones, The Amazing Digital Circus, etc. I do not see a single thing that differentiates that content from Helluva Boss.

Murder Drones has not a single report made by a user. Unless that report has been made private, as explained previously by a moderator in this same thread (again, reiterating that there has already been direct statements about this issue from mods??): https://www.themoviedb.org/tv/261290-murder-drones/discuss/category/504794a319c29527aa000640

@lineker said:

Some general information:

1. We can only delete what we KNOW exists. This means once an entry has been deleted, we normally will keep an eye out for the same entry.
2. We generally don't have knowledge of every non-professional entry ever released on YouTube.
3. We depend on entries being reported or simply discovered by a moderator to fix incorrect content.

The Amazing Digital Circus according to this response from a mod was professionally released on Netflix: https://www.themoviedb.org/tv/261145-the-amazing-digital-circus/discuss/66fc33858aa734b376a694e3

Which means this is a bad example you are using. So perhaps you only think the rules are not being enforced evenly because you are not aware or have not researched or have not inquired enough about why certain content has been kept on the site. The example you gave is evidence that mods treat content across the site equally

Alright white knight, good job, you did great defending the mods...

• I did read the responses from the mods. All they did was restate what their rules are, and the reason they exist. They did not acknowledge the problem at hand nor the concerns that people in this thread have with said rules.
• Maybe Murder Drones doesn't have any reports because no one feels it's breaking the rules ¯_(ツ)_/¯
• Sure, I didn't realize The Amazing Digital Circus was added to Netflix post-release. The point was that there is plenty of content across the site that this rule apparently applies to but isn't being enforced. I don't care why it is or isn't, just that it isn't period. If it requires manual moderation, then that feels like an inefficient system to begin with. Maybe add a step in there that makes a judgement call on whether it is actually a high production value series? Idk I'm not a mod, but this clearly is a broken system that needs to be updated for the modern world. A world where we now regularly see high budget, high quality, TV/Feature film sized productions being released on YouTube and deserve their acknowledgment alongside any other of the so-called "professional" productions on this site.

@ZedZed___ said:

@softpillow said:

@ZedZed___ said:

There is nothing about any of this that makes sense. If the users of the site seem to nearly unanimously be calling for change then is that not something the mods should clearly consider or at least give a direct statement on?

No, just because users of a site want to change a site means the owner of the site should probably consider hearing them out, but if the owner disagrees then what they say goes. Have you read this thead youre typing on? There's like 5 responses from 2 different mods clearly explaining (giving a direct statement) the decision not to change the rules. Not to mention this is one thread of many where mods have given direct statements about this rule.

Alright white knight, good job, you did great defending the mods...

• I did read the responses from the mods. All they did was restate what their rules are, and the reason they exist. They did not acknowledge the problem at hand nor the concerns that people in this thread have with said rules.

So in other words what you said was wrong. The mods have made direct responses to this issue.

• Maybe Murder Drones doesn't have any reports because no one feels it's breaking the rules ¯_(ツ)_/¯

That's probably because a lot of users dont read the rules or dont care about the rules, and so from my observations (of how many users incorrectly add information on the site) I would guess most users on this site dont know what the rules are/dont care. I would say its more likely that people that are aware of that series dont know what the rules are and/or dont care, not that they dont think it breaks the rules. Or I would also guess that people that may be aware of the rules and aware of that series may just not care to help clean up the site.

Regardless, even if "no one feels its breaking the rules"- theyre wrong. If like you say, theres nothing to differentiate it from Helluva Boss, then it is breaking the rules. Just because no one feels its breaking the rules, doesn't change what the rules are? And it doesnt mean the rules should change to accomodate people who do not understand the rules, dont care or havent read them?

I also have to say that I just think you are not aware of how much content does get reported and dealt with, content that breaks the rules, gets reported by users (that are aware of the rules), and does get deleted. And I dont think youre aware of just how much incorrectly added content gets added to the site and mods have to spend a lot of time getting rid of when they get reported. And of course youre likely (and other users) not aware of it since content that gets reported as breaking the rules/discovered by mods as breaking the rules- gets deleted! And so people can see the stuff that stays around, but they cant see all the stuff that gets deleted. Especially since Im sure tons and tons of stuff that gets deleted you are not even aware of exists. Similarly users like me that do know what the rules are may not be aware of a series like "Murder Drones" and so that's probably why it hasnt been reported. Because users that are aware of the rules havent watched it.

• Sure, I didn't realize The Amazing Digital Circus was added to Netflix post-release. The point was that there is plenty of content across the site that this rule apparently applies to but isn't being enforced. I don't care why it is or isn't, just that it isn't period. If it requires manual moderation, then that feels like an inefficient system to begin with.

Do you get how you gave an example of content you thought broke the rules but actually doesn't? So perhaps the "plenty of content" that youre seeing- doesnt exist. Many of the content might not actually be breaking the rules. Based on the example you gave, you may only think they break the rules because of your lack of research about said "plenty of content".

Anyway, regardless the point is if more people reported incorrect content and fewer people added content without properly reading the rules then this whole issue wouldnt exist. The issue isnt that the mods arent aplying the rules fairly, its that a large proportion of the users dont care about the rules of the site (often imo seemingly intentionally disregard them- like sabotaging the site) and dont care to help clean up the site.

I will agree with you that maybe the system is broken. Users on the internet in large, cant be trusted to read rules and to report content so perhaps its too easy to edit/add content to this site.

I dont even necessarily agree or disagree that the site should have this rule. I can see both sides. I actually think its cool to have a database that is exclusively only for professionally released content, especially since other online popular databases (imdb, tvdb, etc.) seemingly dont do that. At the same time I get that there are other sites/apps that use this site and there is great content out there that is professionally made but not professionally released that I enjoy and would enjoy being included for use on those site/apps.

But what I will say is I think this rule to me is more efficient and practical rule. It's simple and cut and dry and easy to research, and objective. The only issue is, even with a great rule that should make the database easy to moderate, there are way too many users that break them (intentionally or not). I can see the mods perspective where this rule makes the site easier to manage. Because the less simple/objective you make the rules the more potentional for arguments and the more time/energy it would require (for research and making judgement calls) to enforce the rules, and also the harder it is for the users to understand the rules and to do their own research and judgement calls, and the more complicated the discussions around the rules and the content on the site become.

@softpillow said:

@ZedZed___ said:

@softpillow said:

@ZedZed___ said:

There is nothing about any of this that makes sense. If the users of the site seem to nearly unanimously be calling for change then is that not something the mods should clearly consider or at least give a direct statement on?

No, just because users of a site want to change a site means the owner of the site should probably consider hearing them out, but if the owner disagrees then what they say goes. Have you read this thead youre typing on? There's like 5 responses from 2 different mods clearly explaining (giving a direct statement) the decision not to change the rules. Not to mention this is one thread of many where mods have given direct statements about this rule.

Alright white knight, good job, you did great defending the mods...

• I did read the responses from the mods. All they did was restate what their rules are, and the reason they exist. They did not acknowledge the problem at hand nor the concerns that people in this thread have with said rules.

So in other words what you said was wrong. The mods have made direct responses to this issue.

• Maybe Murder Drones doesn't have any reports because no one feels it's breaking the rules ¯_(ツ)_/¯

That's probably because a lot of users dont read the rules or dont care about the rules, and so from my observations (of how many users incorrectly add information on the site) I would guess most users on this site dont know what the rules are/dont care. I would say its more likely that people that are aware of that series dont know what the rules are and/or dont care, not that they dont think it breaks the rules. Or I would also guess that people that may be aware of the rules and aware of that series may just not care to help clean up the site.

Regardless, even if "no one feels its breaking the rules"- theyre wrong. If like you say, theres nothing to differentiate it from Helluva Boss, then it is breaking the rules. Just because no one feels its breaking the rules, doesn't change what the rules are? And it doesnt mean the rules should change to accomodate people who do not understand the rules, dont care or havent read them?

I also have to say that I just think you are not aware of how much content does get reported and dealt with, content that breaks the rules, gets reported by users (that are aware of the rules), and does get deleted. And I dont think youre aware of just how much incorrectly added content gets added to the site and mods have to spend a lot of time getting rid of when they get reported. And of course youre likely (and other users) not aware of it since content that gets reported as breaking the rules/discovered by mods as breaking the rules- gets deleted! And so people can see the stuff that stays around, but they cant see all the stuff that gets deleted. Especially since Im sure tons and tons of stuff that gets deleted you are not even aware of exists. Similarly users like me that do know what the rules are may not be aware of a series like "Murder Drones" and so that's probably why it hasnt been reported. Because users that are aware of the rules havent watched it.

• Sure, I didn't realize The Amazing Digital Circus was added to Netflix post-release. The point was that there is plenty of content across the site that this rule apparently applies to but isn't being enforced. I don't care why it is or isn't, just that it isn't period. If it requires manual moderation, then that feels like an inefficient system to begin with.

Do you get how you gave an example of content you thought broke the rules but actually doesn't? So perhaps the "plenty of content" that youre seeing- doesnt exist. Many of the content might not actually be breaking the rules. Based on the example you gave, you may only think they break the rules because of your lack of research about said "plenty of content".

Anyway, regardless the point is if more people reported incorrect content and fewer people added content without properly reading the rules then this whole issue wouldnt exist. The issue isnt that the mods arent aplying the rules fairly, its that a large proportion of the users dont care about the rules of the site (often imo seemingly intentionally disregard them- like sabotaging the site) and dont care to help clean up the site.

I will agree with you that maybe the system is broken. Users on the internet in large, cant be trusted to read rules and to report content so perhaps its too easy to edit/add content to this site.

I dont even necessarily agree or disagree that the site should have this rule. I can see both sides. I actually think its cool to have a database that is exclusively only for professionally released content, especially since other online popular databases (imdb, tvdb, etc.) seemingly dont do that. At the same time I get that there are other sites/apps that use this site and there is great content out there that is professionally made but not professionally released that I enjoy and would enjoy being included for use on those site/apps.

But what I will say is I think this rule to me is more efficient and practical rule. It's simple and cut and dry and easy to research, and objective. The only issue is, even with a great rule that should make the database easy to moderate, there are way too many users that break them (intentionally or not). I can see the mods perspective where this rule makes the site easier to manage. Because the less simple/objective you make the rules the more potentional for arguments and the more time/energy it would require (for research and making judgement calls) to enforce the rules, and also the harder it is for the users to understand the rules and to do their own research and judgement calls, and the more complicated the discussions around the rules and the content on the site become.

If you can see both sides then it means other people can too. Having an option to add so called "non-professional" shows to a separate database (or the same one with some sort of "this is professional" flag) would be highly useful for many users. Due to the number of discussions on this issue you would think the mods would come up with a solution to resolve this, instead of just blindly sticking to their interpretation if the clearly disliked rules.

@softpillow said:

@ZedZed___ said:

@softpillow said:

@ZedZed___ said:

There is nothing about any of this that makes sense. If the users of the site seem to nearly unanimously be calling for change then is that not something the mods should clearly consider or at least give a direct statement on?

No, just because users of a site want to change a site means the owner of the site should probably consider hearing them out, but if the owner disagrees then what they say goes. Have you read this thead youre typing on? There's like 5 responses from 2 different mods clearly explaining (giving a direct statement) the decision not to change the rules. Not to mention this is one thread of many where mods have given direct statements about this rule.

Alright white knight, good job, you did great defending the mods...

• I did read the responses from the mods. All they did was restate what their rules are, and the reason they exist. They did not acknowledge the problem at hand nor the concerns that people in this thread have with said rules.

So in other words what you said was wrong. The mods have made direct responses to this issue.

• Maybe Murder Drones doesn't have any reports because no one feels it's breaking the rules ¯_(ツ)_/¯

That's probably because a lot of users dont read the rules or dont care about the rules, and so from my observations (of how many users incorrectly add information on the site) I would guess most users on this site dont know what the rules are/dont care. I would say its more likely that people that are aware of that series dont know what the rules are and/or dont care, not that they dont think it breaks the rules. Or I would also guess that people that may be aware of the rules and aware of that series may just not care to help clean up the site.

Regardless, even if "no one feels its breaking the rules"- theyre wrong. If like you say, theres nothing to differentiate it from Helluva Boss, then it is breaking the rules. Just because no one feels its breaking the rules, doesn't change what the rules are? And it doesnt mean the rules should change to accomodate people who do not understand the rules, dont care or havent read them?

I also have to say that I just think you are not aware of how much content does get reported and dealt with, content that breaks the rules, gets reported by users (that are aware of the rules), and does get deleted. And I dont think youre aware of just how much incorrectly added content gets added to the site and mods have to spend a lot of time getting rid of when they get reported. And of course youre likely (and other users) not aware of it since content that gets reported as breaking the rules/discovered by mods as breaking the rules- gets deleted! And so people can see the stuff that stays around, but they cant see all the stuff that gets deleted. Especially since Im sure tons and tons of stuff that gets deleted you are not even aware of exists. Similarly users like me that do know what the rules are may not be aware of a series like "Murder Drones" and so that's probably why it hasnt been reported. Because users that are aware of the rules havent watched it.

• Sure, I didn't realize The Amazing Digital Circus was added to Netflix post-release. The point was that there is plenty of content across the site that this rule apparently applies to but isn't being enforced. I don't care why it is or isn't, just that it isn't period. If it requires manual moderation, then that feels like an inefficient system to begin with.

Do you get how you gave an example of content you thought broke the rules but actually doesn't? So perhaps the "plenty of content" that youre seeing- doesnt exist. Many of the content might not actually be breaking the rules. Based on the example you gave, you may only think they break the rules because of your lack of research about said "plenty of content".

Anyway, regardless the point is if more people reported incorrect content and fewer people added content without properly reading the rules then this whole issue wouldnt exist. The issue isnt that the mods arent aplying the rules fairly, its that a large proportion of the users dont care about the rules of the site (often imo seemingly intentionally disregard them- like sabotaging the site) and dont care to help clean up the site.

I will agree with you that maybe the system is broken. Users on the internet in large, cant be trusted to read rules and to report content so perhaps its too easy to edit/add content to this site.

I dont even necessarily agree or disagree that the site should have this rule. I can see both sides. I actually think its cool to have a database that is exclusively only for professionally released content, especially since other online popular databases (imdb, tvdb, etc.) seemingly dont do that. At the same time I get that there are other sites/apps that use this site and there is great content out there that is professionally made but not professionally released that I enjoy and would enjoy being included for use on those site/apps.

But what I will say is I think this rule to me is more efficient and practical rule. It's simple and cut and dry and easy to research, and objective. The only issue is, even with a great rule that should make the database easy to moderate, there are way too many users that break them (intentionally or not). I can see the mods perspective where this rule makes the site easier to manage. Because the less simple/objective you make the rules the more potentional for arguments and the more time/energy it would require (for research and making judgement calls) to enforce the rules, and also the harder it is for the users to understand the rules and to do their own research and judgement calls, and the more complicated the discussions around the rules and the content on the site become.

The mental gymnastics you are going through to defend this nonsense is crazy my guy 💀

You side-stepped every single thing I said. I'm sure that the mods take care of loads of rule breakers every day. I chose Murder Drones and The Amazing Digital Circus because they are two shows I personally watch that are very popular by YouTube series standards. I didn't intentionally seek out any other examples because it stands to reason that if such a popular piece of content could still be undiscovered by the mods, then theres gotta be way more less popular content breaking the rules as well. And yes TADC is no longer breaking the rules. But for the first year of its existence it was. Which perfectly highlights the stupidity of this rule as absolutely nothing about the content changed, just that it was also suddenly available on Netflix.

Obviously I understand that if something is breaking the established rules, it doesn't matter what I feel is right or wrong, it still is. We learn that in preschool or earlier I'm pretty sure. Doesn't change the fact that seemingly a majority of users think they do not make sense and are frankly inappropriate for this modern age of content. And no, no mod has genuinely provided a direct statement on this in this thread. They didn't respond to any of the actual criticisms, all they did was reiterate the rules and the reason for their creation. One mod also seemed to state that they agree with us but no other mods do. A pointless statement.

Anyways this is my last message about this, happy white knighting 🫡