There have been 2 discussions in parallel about this "series".

• The one you are talking about due to the fact that listing this episode as S01E08 was causing many display problems to the site due to its release date.
• Another one in the moderator forum about the validity of the series in our database. It appears that this series was only self-released on YouTube by its creator and that, as such, is not allowed on our site. I quote the rules : "content uploaded to your own YouTube channel, Vimeo or website, or Amazon Prime do not qualify". Consequently, the series has been deleted once this has been verified.

So what's the f*** point of "Youtube" networks? There is no problem on having this on tvdb, imdb and etc. but here it is. An actual quality show (not some gameplay series, vlog series or etc. what can be found on youtube) that is released for free at public on Youtube (I'm just wondering if there are any other platforms that are free and globally and easily available to everyone) can't be in database, just because it's youtube. And it took you what? 3 years to realize, oh wait this doesn't qualify and needs to be deleted. Good luck than removing other youtube series.

P.s. stop closing threads, because people aren't done with expressing their opinion after just one post

@Fedrani said:

So what's the f*** point of "Youtube" networks? There is no problem on having this on tvdb, imdb and etc. but here it is.

Each site has its own set of rules.

just because it's youtube.

This is not because it's YouTube, but because it is self-released on YouTube.

What is TMDB’s definition of “amateur content”?

@Blueflare45 said:

What is TMDB’s definition of “amateur content”?

The rule on this subject is here.

Was this the only criteria used to determine if YouTube content is classified as 'amateur content'?

“Short films, feature length films and series uploaded directly on YouTube (excluding YouTube Red original content) are subject to the amateur content guidelines.”

I wouldn’t consider Helluva Boss amateur by any means. It has a real studio behind it. It isn’t solely created by one person, hundreds of people work on each episode.

Professionally made movies, shows and viral videos are self-released on YouTube every minute of the day. With the current rules, no such entries are allowed and we will remove those when we find them. Without this rule we would be forced to act as a film festival selection committee and watch thousands of clips each week to decide which ones were professionally made. I'm very happy to only have to check for a professional release per the rules linked above!

This would make sense if it was actually properly enforced lmao. This website is full of actually amateur youtube animation projects with no studio behind it, like dozens upon dozens. Those stay up and this professionally made series gets deleted? The fact that there is no clear distinction between these two very different cases is pretty embarrassing for this site.

I want to put my two cents since I was the one who made custom list with intended order.

1. Helluva boss isn't independent project. It's backed by SPINDLEHORSE TOONS production company.
2. Viziepops bigger project (hazbin hotel) from same production company will be released on HBO max.

Second is still listed. Both are from the same company. Then where is difference? You consider things amateur if they don't require your $$$ to watch it?

@chuott said:

This would make sense if it was actually properly enforced lmao. This website is full of actually amateur youtube animation projects with no studio behind it, like dozens upon dozens. Those stay up and this professionally made series gets deleted? The fact that there is no clear distinction between these two very different cases is pretty embarrassing for this site.

You want us to enforce a new style of editing with all entries being checked in advance? Yes, that would eliminate 99,99 percent of bad entries, but likely also lead to a lot less contributions in general. Would you contribute if you had to wait a month or more to get your entry approved? It would also create a lot of extra work for each contributor since an announcement of a new popular movie could lead to 20 users submitting the same entry. Still, this is the method used by IMDb and others so maybe it's something to consider.

Some general information:

1. We can only delete what we KNOW exists. This means once an entry has been deleted, we normally will keep an eye out for the same entry.
2. We generally don't have knowledge of every non-professional entry ever released on YouTube.
3. We depend on entries being reported or simply discovered by a moderator to fix incorrect content.
4. Something that started out non-professional may get a professional release and be allowed later on. A prime example would be the Bad Ben series that against all odds got a pro distribution deal a few years back. Miracles do happen!
5. Many non-professional entries are deleted here, but allowed on third party sites such as Letterboxd due to different rules.

@buszmen201 Please take some time to read the actual rules. There's a link a few posts up. If something is unclear after that I can answer your questions.

Lineker, my point is, why two production from the same company would be treated differently. The only difference between them is that one can be watched for free and the upcoming one will be paywalled.

@buszmen201 said:

Lineker, my point is, why two production from the same company would be treated differently. The only difference between them is that one can be watched for free and the upcoming one will be paywalled.

It's because one has professional distribution, the other is only self distributed which is not enough to qualify.

It is a massively popular series recognized by every other database. It is an independently released television show that has made tens of millions of dollars and it seems the pilot was recorded by SAG guidlines. How on earth is that "amateur." Its the literal definition of professional. Maybe stop pointing at the "No Youtube" sign and recognize that maybe the sign lacks nuance.

@Fedrani said:

So, on Saturday there was big conversation about episode 8 "Queen Bee" around release order (it is officially the last episode of season 1, but due to ongoing issues, it was postponed and was released during season 2). Should this be than season 2 or season 1 (because there is TMDB guideline or something around this)? A lot of us agree that this episode should have been added to season 1, not as some moderators have decided, episode 5 for season 2. So the conclusion of one moderator was to make two lists, original as release order and second, how the creator aka Vivienne Medrano intended. Ok, personally not 100% agree, but it's fine (I guess). Today, when I saw it, I was a little surprised that the database was completely deleted for some reason and new one was made. Without much thought, immediately started with updating info: from media, individual episodes, cast etc. In the end, it wasn't worth it at all, because everything was completely erased again. Ok, I said (as some say: "third time's a charm"), I tried to start from beginning on my own. Nevertheless, saw a message from staff, and I am quoting:

The entry you created titled "Helluva Boss" was deleted. This title did not meet our new content guidelines.

Really??? The title didn't meet your guidelines. WTH? What's really going on with this whole fiasco. I would really know what's happening behind the scene. Maybe try to discuss and help to solve this whole situation

Wow, what a regrettable situation. Seeing how TMDB works, I am disappointed with this service and start using another one. Only 3 years later does this "youtube content" rule apply xd

I spent like 4 hours adding Helluva Boss only for it to be removed by staff for what can only be described as a garbage reason. There was no error message while trying to create the entry and thus I assumed it had just not been added.

I read through the rules before adding the entry and noticed the YouTube video one, but it didn't click with me that staff here would be so petty about that.

What if an entry contains videos from other video hosting sites? They obviously don't fall under the YouTube videos rule.

What is the point in a database of content if it is missing information. If a movie/show is recognised by IMDB and TVDB then why should it not be recognised by other database platforms.

The explicit "no YouTube videos" rule just reads as very generic and unreasonable, especially when the show is listed on other movie/show database platforms. Helluva Boss is definitely not "youtube content" in the same way a Linus Tech Tips videos is.

This is the sort of entry that should definitely be an exception to the "no YouTube videos" rule. At least the "no YouTube videos" rule should be rewritten to be less strict and allow YouTube only web series or even better the rule should be completely removed.

The "no YouTube videos" rule feels like it was added due to a spam problem and has since been interpretted in a pedantic way by the staff team.

Would you contribute if you had to wait a month or more to get your entry approved?

Would you contribute hours of work into collecting all the required information and manually entering it for a supposedly valid web series. Only for it to be removed because the staff just don't accept a web series because it was "self-uploaded".

I fully understand not wanting amateur content in the form of YouTube videos.

But there is no way you can look at Helluva Boss and say that it is non-professional.

What is your definitely of professional distribution?