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The problem with this movie is that it seems to mix the 1963 book and the 1968 movie ending together oddly. Which only bewilders. And the ending becomes nonsensical.

But I think I have a solution.

The main problems, in the end, are the following:

How could a fairly current Earth that he travels back to in the end be taken over by Apes?

How could Thade have been this "liberator" on Earth, as he was last seen defeated in a destroyed spaceship back on that other planet?

  • What if, the planet, in the beginning, was always Earth - just millennia into the future.

  • What if, "Thade" is a generic name given to those in charge - not unlike, how Caesar is an imperial title passed on in our own history.

  • What if, everything we see happen in the movie is in the far future of Earth. Just like the first movies from 1968.

  • What if, when Davidsson travels back to Earth, and back in time, he actually travels to a point in time where the Ape revolution already had resulted in the Apes taking over Earth?

These "what if's" explains why we see a Lincoln statue of Thade. It is not the Thade we met, it is the original Ape Caesar, who was named Thade. And because of his success, all future rulers would so be named Thade (like our Tim Roth, thousands of years later).

These "what if's" explains why we see human landmarks and general society in the end. It is because Davidson arrives in a time where the takeover had recently happened... and so still quite fresh.

These "what if's" also explains why we have de-evolved humans and Apes in the future through most of the movie. The first "planet" he lands on is the Earth gone bad "again", causing Apes to be living in a more primitive world.

The moral is, I suppose, neither humans nor apes guarantee prosperity.

In other words ;

1: Apes will inherit the Earth.

2: Davidson lands in the far future, where the Earth is primitive but still run by Apes - and have been for many many years. His actions there help unite Ape and man - which perhaps for the first time ever will lead to a hopeful future for all.

3: Davidson lands back in the past, still ahead of his own original time, but when Apes had somewhat recently inherited (taken over) our Earth.

4: A Thade was the first Ape to lead and liberate its kind, and so this name was sickled in the Lincoln-Ape statue.

5: The bad guy in this movie is Tim Roth's Thade, and he did not win. He ended his life possibly as a prisoner in the far future where man and Ape finally learned to coexist and hopefully would build a sustainable future together.

One problem: The first planet has several moons.

One explanation: Since this is the far future, where even Ape society has fallen and become a mere shadow of its former glory. In this time period, astral events could have caught other rocks in around Earth gravity making another moon. Or perhaps the Apes destroyed the moon (split in two) in some crazy space race, and in doing this dooming their then advanced society and also explaining why they now (when we enter the story) live relatively primitive. It is after an ape-apocalypse.

What do you think?

I like my idea as it sort of combines the original movie with the book. The first planet is a far future Earth (the 68 movie) and the second planet is Earth, when it has been taken over by Apes (the 63 book). Each is quite different, and it would seem Burton tried to reconcile the two narratives. My interpretation above shows that perhaps he succeeded?

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The MOVIE is closer to the book. serling had written the original treatment to 68. he put a idea he use din twilight zone for 68.

My impression was that he was traveling alternate universes with each having their own spin on how things turned out.

@movie_nazi said:

My impression was that he was traveling alternate universes with each having their own spin on how things turned out.

That's the vibe I got also. I guess if the movie presents the alternate universe theory and we accept the leap of logic that a spaceship can cross into different realities, then anything can happen.

My guess is that Tim Burton was trying to outdo the mind-blowing visual reveal that Serling wrote. So he began with an image and tried to work his way backwards. There aren't many American landmarks as iconic as the Statue of Liberty but I suppose the Lincoln Monument makes sense. And replacing Abe with ape probably sounded real clever on paper so Burton ran with it, then scrambled to explain it with the alternate universe theory. The scifi version of deus ex machina: It's an alternate universe! roll credits

@rooprect said:

@movie_nazi said:

My impression was that he was traveling alternate universes with each having their own spin on how things turned out.

That's the vibe I got also. I guess if the movie presents the alternate universe theory and we accept the leap of logic that a spaceship can cross into different realities, then anything can happen.

My guess is that Tim Burton was trying to outdo the mind-blowing visual reveal that Serling wrote. So he began with an image and tried to work his way backwards. There aren't many American landmarks as iconic as the Statue of Liberty but I suppose the Lincoln Monument makes sense. And replacing Abe with ape probably sounded real clever on paper so Burton ran with it, then scrambled to explain it with the alternate universe theory. The scifi version of deus ex machina: It's an alternate universe! roll credits

Yeah, that was one of the things that kinda irked me about this film was the constant attempts of being clever and nods to the original film. I know that Burton was a HUGE fan of POTA and I remember him talking about it way before this was even announced so I thought he would have handled it better. For me the film is a slog to get through and I rolled my eyes at "Get your stinkin' hands off me you damn dirty human!" and when Heston's character's last words were "Damn them all to hell!" both which seems sloppily shoehorned in. Although I did like the idea of having Heston play an ape. Now that was a cool idea. Honest Ape was a good idea too but they just had to name him Thade to confuse the hell out of everyone. I would LOVE for them to do a film that is super faithful to the book but I just don't know how they would pull off not letting the audience know that the intro characters are in fact apes which is revealed at the end.

new Ape film releases today. Might go check it out.

Planet of the Apes (2001) - 4 outta 10 stars

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