@sati_84 said:

... so here it is!

Discuss.

My explanation - the egg came from The Realms of Bad Writing.

@sati_84 said:

@sati_84 said:

... so here it is!

Discuss.

My explanation - the egg came from The Realms of Bad Writing.

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@AlienFanatic said:

@sati_84 said:

@sati_84 said:

... so here it is!

Discuss.

My explanation - the egg came from The Realms of Bad Writing.

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That's easy: Variant 1: Bishop! And this is the smartest explanation plus his own words can prove it Variant 2: Another xenomorph did it

@IrinaOma said:

That's easy: Variant 1: Bishop! And this is the smartest explanation plus his own words can prove it Variant 2: Another xenomorph did it

Variant 1: Bishop as a character was created by Cameron and your theory doesn't fit the his intended character arc.

Variant 2: Another xenomorph which was comfortably chilling (I suppose) in a corner during the Rip VS Queen brawl, and was not picked up at any point by any of the ship's scanners, alarm systems, or by Ripley herself (who sure as hell did a thorough sweep of the Dropship and the Sulaco itself after seeing that a queen could hide in such a small compartment). Yeah... right :-)

@sati_84 said:

@IrinaOma said:

That's easy: Variant 1: Bishop! And this is the smartest explanation plus his own words can prove it Variant 2: Another xenomorph did it

Variant 1: Bishop as a character was created by Cameron and your theory doesn't fit the his intended character arc.

Variant 2: Another xenomorph which was comfortably chilling (I suppose) in a corner during the Rip VS Queen brawl, and was not picked up at any point by any of the ship's scanners, alarm systems, or by Ripley herself (who sure as hell did a thorough sweep of the Dropship and the Sulaco itself after seeing that a queen could hide in such a small compartment). Yeah... right :-)

Cameron created Bishop but he DID NOT create this franchise. Androinds are depicted as evil no matter what. Even in Alien: Isolation they help you and later try to kill you. The idea with Bishop is quite understandable. And again, his OWN WORDS in Alien 3 can prove it!

Xenomorphs always left eggs in a very "unpredictable" places. You can see it almost in every short story, comics, video games and movies of course.

@IrinaOma said:

@sati_84 said:

@IrinaOma said:

That's easy: Variant 1: Bishop! And this is the smartest explanation plus his own words can prove it Variant 2: Another xenomorph did it

Variant 1: Bishop as a character was created by Cameron and your theory doesn't fit the his intended character arc.

Variant 2: Another xenomorph which was comfortably chilling (I suppose) in a corner during the Rip VS Queen brawl, and was not picked up at any point by any of the ship's scanners, alarm systems, or by Ripley herself (who sure as hell did a thorough sweep of the Dropship and the Sulaco itself after seeing that a queen could hide in such a small compartment). Yeah... right :-)

Cameron created Bishop but he DID NOT create this franchise. Androinds are depicted as evil no matter what. Even in Alien: Isolation they help you and later try to kill you. The idea with Bishop is quite understandable. And again, his OWN WORDS in Alien 3 can prove it!

Xenomorphs always left eggs in a very "unpredictable" places. You can see it almost in every short story, comics, video games and movies of course.

1. Care to quote Bishop's words from A3?

2. Well, that might be true, but I always saw it as an artistic choice to include it in A3. Without it there wouldn't be a story, so the creators I think did not care about explaining it in-universe. It's there, upside down, triggered by absolutely nothing, but still opening and having a "super facehugger" inside... it's just too convenient, without laying any groundwork to justify these oddities. Also, I have a problem with it being on board - the existence of it contradicts not only Bishop's character arc, but Ripley's as well: before going into hypersleep, I'm sure that Ripley scanned the ship from top to bottom - it fits her character. After all he's been through in the first 2 movies, she is not a person who leaves it to chance. Especially when xenos are involved - you can never be too careful. Destroying her character in order to continue the story is not cool in my book...

Also, yet again, you did not provide a detailed scenario on this - where is this "another xeno" during the Rip VS Queen fight? Why doesn't it attack before, during or after that event? Where is it during the opening of A3? Etc, etc.

@sati_84 said:

@IrinaOma said:

@sati_84 said:

@IrinaOma said:

That's easy: Variant 1: Bishop! And this is the smartest explanation plus his own words can prove it Variant 2: Another xenomorph did it

Variant 1: Bishop as a character was created by Cameron and your theory doesn't fit the his intended character arc.

Variant 2: Another xenomorph which was comfortably chilling (I suppose) in a corner during the Rip VS Queen brawl, and was not picked up at any point by any of the ship's scanners, alarm systems, or by Ripley herself (who sure as hell did a thorough sweep of the Dropship and the Sulaco itself after seeing that a queen could hide in such a small compartment). Yeah... right :-)

Cameron created Bishop but he DID NOT create this franchise. Androinds are depicted as evil no matter what. Even in Alien: Isolation they help you and later try to kill you. The idea with Bishop is quite understandable. And again, his OWN WORDS in Alien 3 can prove it!

Xenomorphs always left eggs in a very "unpredictable" places. You can see it almost in every short story, comics, video games and movies of course.

1. Care to quote Bishop's words from A3?

2. Well, that might be true, but I always saw it as an artistic choice to include it in A3. Without it there wouldn't be a story, so the creators I think did not care about explaining it in-universe. It's there, upside down, triggered by absolutely nothing, but still opening and having a "super facehugger" inside... it's just too convenient, without laying any groundwork to justify these oddities. Also, I have a problem with it being on board - the existence of it contradicts not only Bishop's character arc, but Ripley's as well: before going into hypersleep, I'm sure that Ripley scanned the ship from top to bottom - it fits her character. After all he's been through in the first 2 movies, she is not a person who leaves it to chance. Especially when xenos are involved - you can never be too careful. Destroying her character in order to continue the story is not cool in my book...

Also, yet again, you did not provide a detailed scenario on this - where is this "another xeno" during the Rip VS Queen fight? Why doesn't it attack before, during or after that event? Where is it during the opening of A3? Etc, etc.

Ripley didn't notice a xenomorph in the first movie. And are serious with that "Bishop's character's arc"? He's an android, not human. He does what program says and che can be re-programmed anytime. You can't be that romantic about his "arc" but again, this is just your own opinion. I've visited tons of forums where people actually agree about Bishop bringing the eggs. Just like Ash, he praised the organism for its perfection.

As for another xenomorph.......he could bring the eggs way before the Ripley vs Queen. In the 2nd half of the movie xenomorphs were everywhere. Remember Ferro and Spunkmeyer's death? I guess you don't know much about xenomorphs. Some of them defend the Queen, some of them put the eggs without any fight.

@IrinaOma said:

@sati_84 said:

@IrinaOma said:

@sati_84 said:

@IrinaOma said:

That's easy: Variant 1: Bishop! And this is the smartest explanation plus his own words can prove it Variant 2: Another xenomorph did it

Variant 1: Bishop as a character was created by Cameron and your theory doesn't fit the his intended character arc.

Variant 2: Another xenomorph which was comfortably chilling (I suppose) in a corner during the Rip VS Queen brawl, and was not picked up at any point by any of the ship's scanners, alarm systems, or by Ripley herself (who sure as hell did a thorough sweep of the Dropship and the Sulaco itself after seeing that a queen could hide in such a small compartment). Yeah... right :-)

Cameron created Bishop but he DID NOT create this franchise. Androinds are depicted as evil no matter what. Even in Alien: Isolation they help you and later try to kill you. The idea with Bishop is quite understandable. And again, his OWN WORDS in Alien 3 can prove it!

Xenomorphs always left eggs in a very "unpredictable" places. You can see it almost in every short story, comics, video games and movies of course.

1. Care to quote Bishop's words from A3?

2. Well, that might be true, but I always saw it as an artistic choice to include it in A3. Without it there wouldn't be a story, so the creators I think did not care about explaining it in-universe. It's there, upside down, triggered by absolutely nothing, but still opening and having a "super facehugger" inside... it's just too convenient, without laying any groundwork to justify these oddities. Also, I have a problem with it being on board - the existence of it contradicts not only Bishop's character arc, but Ripley's as well: before going into hypersleep, I'm sure that Ripley scanned the ship from top to bottom - it fits her character. After all he's been through in the first 2 movies, she is not a person who leaves it to chance. Especially when xenos are involved - you can never be too careful. Destroying her character in order to continue the story is not cool in my book...

Also, yet again, you did not provide a detailed scenario on this - where is this "another xeno" during the Rip VS Queen fight? Why doesn't it attack before, during or after that event? Where is it during the opening of A3? Etc, etc.

Ripley didn't notice a xenomorph in the first movie. And are serious with that "Bishop's character's arc"? He's an android, not human. He does what program says and che can be re-programmed anytime. You can't be that romantic about his "arc" but again, this is just your own opinion. I've visited tons of forums where people actually agree about Bishop bringing the eggs. Just like Ash, he praised the organism for its perfection.

As for another xenomorph.......he could bring the eggs way before the Ripley vs Queen. In the 2nd half of the movie xenomorphs were everywhere. Remember Ferro and Spunkmeyer's death? I guess you don't know much about xenomorphs. Some of them defend the Queen, some of them put the eggs without any fight.

Ripley did not notice the alien on the Narcissus, all right - but that was a totally different situation and the character haven't been through the events of A2 yet.

I am serious about Bishop, as he is a character, and his character was created by a human (Cameron) and his (Cameron's) intention was to show how an android can change and surpass its own programming. This is the intention with which this character was created. You can't be seriously telling me to disregard this aspect.

And yes, he is an android, he could have acted on Company orders of course. Question is - what supports this theory in any of the movies? Can you cite specific events / quotes? Sorry, your other people agree with this on other forums "argument" doesn't cut it for me.

Yes, of course I agree about xenos being capable of carrying eggs, and I noticed that they are everywhere... but how did said xeno get on the Sulaco? The only option is the dropship, wouldn't you agree? The queen got on the ship, but another xeno and an egg as well? Isn't that a stretch? I mean on the landing platform, only the queen was present - this other xeno also used the elevator to get up? When exactly? The problems are piling up... Please refer to the specific events from the end of Aliens that support your theory.

@sati_84 said:

@IrinaOma said:

@sati_84 said:

@IrinaOma said:

@sati_84 said:

@IrinaOma said:

That's easy: Variant 1: Bishop! And this is the smartest explanation plus his own words can prove it Variant 2: Another xenomorph did it

Variant 1: Bishop as a character was created by Cameron and your theory doesn't fit the his intended character arc.

Variant 2: Another xenomorph which was comfortably chilling (I suppose) in a corner during the Rip VS Queen brawl, and was not picked up at any point by any of the ship's scanners, alarm systems, or by Ripley herself (who sure as hell did a thorough sweep of the Dropship and the Sulaco itself after seeing that a queen could hide in such a small compartment). Yeah... right :-)

Cameron created Bishop but he DID NOT create this franchise. Androinds are depicted as evil no matter what. Even in Alien: Isolation they help you and later try to kill you. The idea with Bishop is quite understandable. And again, his OWN WORDS in Alien 3 can prove it!

Xenomorphs always left eggs in a very "unpredictable" places. You can see it almost in every short story, comics, video games and movies of course.

1. Care to quote Bishop's words from A3?

2. Well, that might be true, but I always saw it as an artistic choice to include it in A3. Without it there wouldn't be a story, so the creators I think did not care about explaining it in-universe. It's there, upside down, triggered by absolutely nothing, but still opening and having a "super facehugger" inside... it's just too convenient, without laying any groundwork to justify these oddities. Also, I have a problem with it being on board - the existence of it contradicts not only Bishop's character arc, but Ripley's as well: before going into hypersleep, I'm sure that Ripley scanned the ship from top to bottom - it fits her character. After all he's been through in the first 2 movies, she is not a person who leaves it to chance. Especially when xenos are involved - you can never be too careful. Destroying her character in order to continue the story is not cool in my book...

Also, yet again, you did not provide a detailed scenario on this - where is this "another xeno" during the Rip VS Queen fight? Why doesn't it attack before, during or after that event? Where is it during the opening of A3? Etc, etc.

Ripley didn't notice a xenomorph in the first movie. And are serious with that "Bishop's character's arc"? He's an android, not human. He does what program says and che can be re-programmed anytime. You can't be that romantic about his "arc" but again, this is just your own opinion. I've visited tons of forums where people actually agree about Bishop bringing the eggs. Just like Ash, he praised the organism for its perfection.

As for another xenomorph.......he could bring the eggs way before the Ripley vs Queen. In the 2nd half of the movie xenomorphs were everywhere. Remember Ferro and Spunkmeyer's death? I guess you don't know much about xenomorphs. Some of them defend the Queen, some of them put the eggs without any fight.

Ripley did not notice the alien on the Narcissus, all right - but that was a totally different situation and the character haven't been through the events of A2 yet.

I am serious about Bishop, as he is a character, and his character was created by a human (Cameron) and his (Cameron's) intention was to show how an android can change and surpass its own programming. This is the intention with which this character was created. You can't be seriously telling me to disregard this aspect.

And yes, he is an android, he could have acted on Company orders of course. Question is - what supports this theory in any of the movies? Can you cite specific events / quotes? Sorry, your other people agree with this on other forums "argument" doesn't cut it for me.

Yes, of course I agree about xenos being capable of carrying eggs, and I noticed that they are everywhere... but how did said xeno get on the Sulaco? The only option is the dropship, wouldn't you agree? The queen got on the ship, but another xeno and an egg as well? Isn't that a stretch? I mean on the landing platform, only the queen was present - this other xeno also used the elevator to get up? When exactly? The problems are piling up... Please refer to the specific events from the end of Aliens that support your theory.

Don't you remember Bishop's words about xenomorph? As I said before, he was impressed by its perfection. He acted like Ash from the first movie. I'm surprised you ignore that. Once again, his line from A3 "Alien was with us all the way" can prove it. Like it or not but this theory is reasonable and realistic but I guess you love Cameron too much to accept it. Personally I'm not a fan of "Bishop theory". I prefer a story mode from the video game "Aliens: Colonial Marines". It was a God-awful game but it has its own, quite realistic explanation for the Eggs on Sulaco

The "another xeno" theory is just a theory. It is not as realistic as the one with Bishop and of course, it can't be supported by specific events from the movie but don't forget the fact that you can't see everything in the movie. You can't see every single detail plus Xenomorphs are very unpredictable creatures

@IrinaOma said: Don't you remember Bishop's words about xenomorph? As I said before, he was impressed by its perfection. He acted like Ash from the first movie. I'm surprised you ignore that. Once again, his line from A3 "Alien was with us all the way" can prove it. Like it or not but this theory is reasonable and realistic but I guess you love Cameron too much to accept it. Personally I'm not a fan of "Bishop theory". I prefer a story mode from the video game "Aliens: Colonial Marines". It was a God-awful game but it has its own, quite realistic explanation for the Eggs on Sulaco

The "another xeno" theory is just a theory. It is not as realistic as the one with Bishop and of course, it can't be supported by specific events from the movie but don't forget the fact that you can't see everything in the movie. You can't see every single detail plus Xenomorphs are very unpredictable creatures

I do remember his words about the xeno. I do remember that he took orders from Burke to preserve the Facehuggers, even. But I don't think that's enough to fully support the theory. And in the end, it was clear which side he took - he came back for Ripley & Newt after all.

I played A:CM for the first 4 levels or so, but the gameplay was so awful, I ended up watching a playthrough instead. Nevertheless, about the story, I agree - the game presents us with a more logical and better explanation on how aliens got on board. Still, there is nothing supporting those events in the movies (that's understandable), so I'm not accepting that as canon - even though I'm aware that it officially is.

@sati_84 said:

@IrinaOma said: Don't you remember Bishop's words about xenomorph? As I said before, he was impressed by its perfection. He acted like Ash from the first movie. I'm surprised you ignore that. Once again, his line from A3 "Alien was with us all the way" can prove it. Like it or not but this theory is reasonable and realistic but I guess you love Cameron too much to accept it. Personally I'm not a fan of "Bishop theory". I prefer a story mode from the video game "Aliens: Colonial Marines". It was a God-awful game but it has its own, quite realistic explanation for the Eggs on Sulaco

The "another xeno" theory is just a theory. It is not as realistic as the one with Bishop and of course, it can't be supported by specific events from the movie but don't forget the fact that you can't see everything in the movie. You can't see every single detail plus Xenomorphs are very unpredictable creatures

I do remember his words about the xeno. I do remember that he took orders from Burke to preserve the Facehuggers, even. But I don't think that's enough to fully support the theory. And in the end, it was clear which side he took - he came back for Ripley & Newt after all.

I played A:CM for the first 4 levels or so, but the gameplay was so awful, I ended up watching a playthrough instead. Nevertheless, about the story, I agree - the game presents us with a more logical and better explanation on how aliens got on board. Still, there is nothing supporting those events in the movies (that's understandable), so I'm not accepting that as canon - even though I'm aware that it officially is.

I see your point here. That's why the whole debate is about OPINIONS. Some people accept it, others don't

@IrinaOma said: I see your point here. That's why the whole debate is about OPINIONS. Some people accept it, others don't

Fair enough!

the most obvious answer is that the queen laid an egg in the landing compartment prior to attacking Bishop. On face value, she made a tactical blunder in ALIENS attacking them right away rather than being more cunning and waiting for them to go to sleep. That is, of course, unless her whole attack was an effort to distract them and throw them off the scent?

Even then, there's a whole host of problems.

1) the queen was shown needing a giant attached gaster with which to gradually create eggs which she violently rips free from in ALIEN. Presumably, she would need to regrow the gaster before laying new functional eggs? It didnt seem that it'd be possible to do that while sitting in the landing gear chamber AND conceal the egg before attacking Bishop, but then again we don't really know how much time passed before she attacked.

2) assuming she brought an egg with her from the chamber, we see that her hands are empty when pursuing Ripley and Newt.

This would lead me to believe that "it's something we haven't seen yet". Perhaps the queen might have shed or dropped the rudiments of a fertilized egg, like a single cell, somewhere along the line in the Sulaco, which grew as a polyp and eventually into a fully formed egg on its own? Far fetched I know, but seems to be the only theory that would really make any sense.

I'm increasingly persuaded that Alien (1979) was lightning in a bottle, and the franchise has struggled to capture that perfect balance of compelling story-telling since.

Yes, I was a fan of Alien3. Yes, I liked Aliens for a different reason. Yes, I even liked Alien Resurrection. But this is a franchise with a wider range of disagreement than many. Which order ranking of these four gatekeeps what a "true fan" of the franchise is?

When I think about the gymnastics people go through to attempt to defend the Prometheus/Alien: Covenant aberrations that should have never seen the green light of day, the film reels of which I'd cast into the incinerator with Ripley at the end of Alien3, it just seems to me that they wrote more plot holes than they could manage to stay ahead of in their efforts to try real hard to be complex and deep, and just ended up being a mess, and that began to show in this simple, insightful question, for which there does not appear to be a simple answer, just more gymnastics (no criticism towards any of you for trying; I blame the writers!)

At any rate, carry on :-)