When did the police return any kid to killer's house? I just remember police taking the Vance guy with his sister with him in the car and then she saw the house, but don't remember that returning him there. Unless the aggressive Vance boy was the actual grabber though the call from non deceased grabber would not make sense.

@Markoff said:

When did the police return any kid to killer's house? I just remember police taking the Vance guy with his sister with him in the car and then she saw the house, but don't remember that returning him there. Unless the aggressive Vance boy was the actual grabber though the call from non deceased grabber would not make sense.

It's the tough guy kid who was playing pinball. In the dream sequence they show the police stopping at the killers house and the sister with the dreams gets out and after that the pinball kid also comes out and kicks the fence of the house in and the dream sequence ends.

so either he is the grabber or it's just dream hint to her

@aholejones said:

Also what was going on with the dream scene where the police return one of those tough guy kids to the killer's house? It kind of seemed like they wanted to take the movie a different route, but then changed their mind and just forgot all about that scene.

That was just a psychic vision from the sister. She was being shown the house while at the same time the brother was talking to the dead kid.

I have to admit, after all the hype I heard about the movie I was kind of disappointed. Not horrible by any means, but just convoluted in some instances. Why is the Grabber doing this with his brother(?) in the next room, and then kills him? And he buries the kids in the house next door?

And there are just a ton of supplies down in that basement that his victims can use, but I am almost convinced that was on purpose to give the victims hope only to take it away from them. That would also kind of explain the phone being there, almost in a taunting way.

I thought the brother was just visiting and anyway he was high on coke or away most of the time. As for graves I guess not so big basement and it's whole idea they are calling the phone from house across the street.

I'm more surprised nobody saw one black specific van, they are not that common (they should go for white to make it realistic) and it was parked outside for everyone to see, should be fairly easy for police to narrow down possible suspects.

I'm also disappointed. High rating here and Ethan Hawke was a sure bet. But I'll give the movie 6/10. Wasn't bad but would not recommend.

@NeoLosman said:

Most disappointing is the blasé stance almost every cultural commentator has taken regarding the brazen racism in this movie. It's painfully obvious that the producers deliberately avoided making the phone in this movie white, due to the culture of The US having long associated the color black with all things aberrant, subhuman, and threatening to Caucasian women and children. The fact that The Mainstream Media didn't bombard Twitter with calls to cancel not only the producers, but the director, the cast, the gaffer, the movie's composers, and even the caterers is indicative of just how unserious our commitment to social justice really is

This is hilarious 😂

@NeoLosman said:

Most disappointing is the blasé stance almost every cultural commentator has taken regarding the brazen racism in this movie. It's painfully obvious that the producers deliberately avoided making the phone in this movie white, due to the culture of The US having long associated the color black with all things aberrant, subhuman, and threatening to Caucasian women and children. The fact that The Mainstream Media didn't bombard Twitter with calls to cancel not only the producers, but the director, the cast, the gaffer, the movie's composers, and even the caterers is indicative of just how unserious our commitment to social justice really is

🙄

@cswood said:

@NeoLosman said:

Most disappointing is the blasé stance almost every cultural commentator has taken regarding the brazen racism in this movie. It's painfully obvious that the producers deliberately avoided making the phone in this movie white, due to the culture of The US having long associated the color black with all things aberrant, subhuman, and threatening to Caucasian women and children. The fact that The Mainstream Media didn't bombard Twitter with calls to cancel not only the producers, but the director, the cast, the gaffer, the movie's composers, and even the caterers is indicative of just how unserious our commitment to social justice really is

This is hilarious 😂

Don't encourage him.

@NeoLosman said:

Most disappointing is the blasé stance almost every cultural commentator has taken regarding the brazen racism in this movie. It's painfully obvious that the producers deliberately avoided making the phone in this movie white, due to the culture of The US having long associated the color black with all things aberrant, subhuman, and threatening to Caucasian women and children. The fact that The Mainstream Media didn't bombard Twitter with calls to cancel not only the producers, but the director, the cast, the gaffer, the movie's composers, and even the caterers is indicative of just how unserious our commitment to social justice really is

"The producers are serious about social justice. A white phone does not work when it is disconnected, while a black phone will work. It tries to help Finney escape and at the end the boy needs it to defeat the Grabber. It is in fact the real hero and that is why the colour should be black."

@aholejones said:

Unless I missed something they don't really give any motive for the killings. I don't think the movie was supposed to suggest the motive was sexual either, and the closest thing to a motive I picked up was his interest in dealing beatings with a belt so maybe they meant to say that the killer's father/parents beat him up and now he was continuing the tradition.

I think this is the angle they were going for. The tie in was the father spanking/beating the sister early in the film and the OTT scene of the father collapsing in repentance saying "I'm sorry...I'm sorry!" to the triumphant kids in the ambulance scene. I can't believe this rated so high...3/10 for me. That may be a little harsh, but you have Ethan Hawke and this is the result? Help me understand!