@PhelpsFan said:

@IrinaOma I didn't know that Gladys Knight died! When did this happen?

On to the movie. When it came out in 1989, I couldn't believe how violent it was. At the time it was considered the most violent Bond movie ever. After buying the DVD and watching it a few times, I began to realize in order to have the movie work, the violence had to in there. I loved Carey Lowell. Her Pam Bouvier was such a badass! And I loved watching her arguing with Bond.

Talisa Soto was very beautiful, but the character of Lupe irritated me. Of course her character would be considered to exhibiting symptoms of Battered Woman Syndrome now.

And last but not least, I loved that Desmond Llewellyn got so much screen time as Q. He was great! BTW, what is your favorite scene in the movie?

I love all battle scenes with Dario. I'm not even a fan of Benicio Del Toro but man, he was a fantastic villain in this movie. Also, every single "conflict"{ between Bond and Pam was extremely entertaining. Many fans find Pam annoying but I disagree. She's in my top 10 favorite Bond girls. Another great moment was when Bond left Lupe and met Pam near the swimming pool - such a beautiful & romantic scene

Whoa, whoa, whoa...LTK is the best Bond film.

Licence to Kill is awesome. So....

@Wheelchair Blogger said:

Almost as bad as the reboot.

Interesting you said that as I think there is a link:-

Licence To Kill on almost any basis you look at it is the worst performing Bond film of all time (I even added world population in as a factor alongside the usual inflation adjustment here:- https://www.themoviedb.org/movie/660-thunderball/discuss/58e7d8bbc3a36872af04e385 ) and I think that's what really killed Dalton's run in it's tracks. However today, I think it does seem to have have traction amoungst the Craig Bond fans, who perhaps see some similarities.

As discussed earlier in thread though, I've always just seen this stylistically like a bad extended episode of Miami Vice. Given the reception it got on release, I guess many Bond fans at that time thought the same...

@The Midi-chlorian Count said: Licence To Kill on almost any basis you look at it is the worst performing Bond film of a time (I even added world population in as a factor alongside the usual inflation adjustment here:- https://www.themoviedb.org/movie/660-thunderball/discuss/58e7d8bbc3a36872af04e385 ) and I think that really killed Dalton's run in it's tracks. However today, I think it does seem to have have traction amoungst the Craig Bond fans, who perhaps see some similarities.

As discussed earlier in thread though, I've always just seen this stylistically like a bad extended episode of Miami Vice...

It's definitely not what killed Dalton's run. It was a combination of factors:

-The fact that the series was held up in legal issues for years after LTK

-The fact that after the delay, Dalton did want to return, but for only one more

-The fact that Brocolli wanted Dalton back, but only if Dalton would commit to three more films.

@Jan El Senor said:

It's definitely not what killed Dalton's run. It was a combination of factors:

-The fact that the series was held up in legal issues for years after LTK

-The fact that after the delay, Dalton did want to return, but for only one more

-The fact that Brocolli wanted Dalton back, but only if Dalton would commit to three more films.

I think that the second and third points here are more retrospective wishful thinking rather than hard facts.

I think you need to go and read up on why Barbaba Brocolli hated John Calley so much. However, the facts were then as they are now - both Dalton's films are pretty much at the bottom of the entire Bond pile as far as box office goes so you can't really blame MGM for pulling the plug on a Dalton Goldeneye.

@The Midi-chlorian Count said: I think that the second and third points here are more retrospective wishful thinking rather than hard facts.

I think you need to go and read up on why Barbaba Brocolli hated John Calley so much. However, the facts were then as they are now - both Dalton's films are pretty much at the bottom of the entire Bond pile as far as box office goes so you can't really blame MGM for pulling the plug on a Dalton Goldeneye.

It's never been disputed by anyone involved that it was ultimately Dalton's decision to leave the role. That has always been the narrative.

@Jan El Senor said:

That has always been the narrative.

Well to be sure from what I can remember / have read that's probably true enough 😉 Anything further though is mere conjecture...

@The Midi-chlorian Count said:

@Jan El Senor said:

That has always been the narrative.

Well to be sure from what I can remember / have read that's probably true enough 😉 Anything further though is mere conjecture...

Not really conjecture. Dalton has stated that Brocolli wanted him for three more, but Dalton only wanted to do one more. Unless he's lying (and I have no reason to think he is), I'm going with what Dalton has said.

@Jan El Senor said:

Not really conjecture. Dalton has stated that Brocolli wanted him for three more, but Dalton only wanted to do one more. Unless he's lying (and I have no reason to think he is), I'm going with what Dalton has said.

If that makes sense to you, and you're happy to go with that, then by all means go with that 👍

@The Midi-chlorian Count said:

@Jan El Senor said:

Not really conjecture. Dalton has stated that Brocolli wanted him for three more, but Dalton only wanted to do one more. Unless he's lying (and I have no reason to think he is), I'm going with what Dalton has said.

If that makes sense to you, and you're happy to go with that, then by all means go with that 👍

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Never say License to Kill again. It's a solid Bond movie.

LTK was great. NSNA was OK, but disposable.

Tough call.NSNA was a half-assed Thunderball remake and LTK was basically like a half-assed Miami Vice episode. But I actually preferred MV to Thunderball, the worst of Sean's Bond movies.So LTK, despite shoddy production values and cheesy feel was still better

@RCBodyslam I agree with your post. However, there is a scene in NSNA where Barbara Carrera's character water ski's up a ramp and smack into Bond, who's wearing a suit and holding a vodka martini. Carrera's character: I've gotten you all wet! Bond: But my martini is still dry.

One of my top 10 great Bond lines!