So therefore it probably resonated with me more than The Matrix.And I was talking about it from a movie perspective not the philosophical ideas behind the films which probably went way over the heads of most viewers but I am somewhat familiar with the philosophy behind the movies the DVD box came with a film critic and a different philosophers commentary track and I listened to both.But Dark City also taps into things like what are memories and what makes a personality?

I said that some Of The IDEAS AND THEMES in both movies are the same they differ in their execution but there are similarities.

People living in a simulated reality run by others.

People living their lives in roles others have put on them

Their personas are determined and written out for them by others.

A main character that is able to manipulate the simulated reality like the others

Humans are kept in this simulated reality because the others depend on them/need them.

That is what I meant with the similarities.

Also the philosophers on the commentary track are good friends of the Wachowskis and know what they were trying to convey with the movies.

Like I said there are no similarities in execution but the give you an example of the difference in concepts is in TM the humans are used as an energy source(how that exactly is done is never explained thoroughly)and the artificial world(The Matrix) is used as a device to control the humans in Dark City The artificial world is also used as a device of control but the Aliens feed of human emotions and experiences the experiences they dictate by injecting memory engrams into the Humans.In DC humans act out characters and lives that are literally written out for them humans have no self control or ability to break out of the mould whatsoever.

@MongoLloyd said:

The state of Hollywood today.

LMAO, Exactly!

@Damienracer said:

@Gus Gorman said:

...Do we really need another?

I absolutely disagree with you there, Richard. They were great.

The second one was OK but the third one was complete dogshit.

The Matrix Reloaded is a more edgy film IMO, with a sprinkling of cool/profound moments in it:

• "It's not meant to last."
• "You don't know someone until you fight them."
• "If I were you, I would hope we don't meet again."
• Morpheus' swordplay, etc.

The third flick is just, again IMO, an overwhelming, numbing storm of a film appealing to the basest nature of the filmgoer -- in other words, it embodies some of the problems that The Matrix slyly critiques in its narrative... which is a shame.

The Matrix has this cool element of discovery to it... the idea that one can't trust what one sees before him/her can be applied to many different aspects of my life, for one. EDIT: Movies #2 and #3 don't have much of that discovery aspect.

@mechajutaro said:

@AlienFanatic said:

I just don't see where they can go with it. I like Keanu and Carrie-Ann Moss, but the sequels over-explained the entire Matrix concept. The first movie was AMAZING and took everyone by surprise. Walking in cold I had no idea what to expect. Then, the Wachowskis decided it was necessary to explain the entire Matrix concept. In nauseating detail. And they had to give us an orgy in Zion. Jesus.

As much as I wanted a sequel at the time, I wish they'd just left it at one movie. With Matrix 4 I think Lana never heard the phrase, "When you find yourself in a hole, stop digging."

Something that no one ever said to Jennifer Tilly or Gina Gershon in "Bound", the film that put The Wachowski's on the map: "When you find yourself face deep in the wetlands, stop chowing down."

That joke would be pretty funny if "chowing down" had anything to do with wetlands. Without that, its just a shoe-horned in lesbian joke.

Bound was fuckin' hot though. Totally dig that movie.

I'm gonna ask you ten times. Where's our money? * CRACK *