No. We are in Nazi Germany.

The all mighty endtheme moderator decided it does not belong in the collection. And so shall it be.

Just like he decided that although millions of people call The Dark Knight Trilogy, The Dark Knight Trilogy, he will call it: "Batman (The Dark Knight series)" with a lower case S.

Enjoy manually modifying your set!!

Okay, so I wasn't tripping last night when I noticed all these new sets and titles. This sucks! I don't need 3 different sets for my Star Trek movies.

I call for a new online movie database. The only reason I do use this one is only for set information anyways. Are there any alternatives we can use? (Besides manually modding, because I roll out many htpc installations to different end users.)

Ok negativefusion, mind giving it a break?

To answer bdd's question, we have removed it since it doesn't follow the rules to which we generally guard as a collection. There's a fairly lengthy post which you can read if you are so inclined here:

http://www.themoviedb.org/talk/505bba71760ee311be00039c

The simple version is when I designed collections, I had a very particular use in mind which is primarily for sequels. There's been a fair bit of talk about something bigger, something more like a "world" or "universe" concept discussed. There's also been talk of just creating "lists". Both are likely to exist one day.

Hope that answers you're question.

I see. Personally I get very frustrated when things change drastically without notice (although I didn't check for announcements), and as I gather from the forum community there are other people who share with me this annoyance. The thing is, advanced end users can find their way in an elaborate way of categorising movie titles. But the average bloke who just wants to flip through their movies with a remote, and not bother with technicalities, does not expect nor want things to confuse them like this. Some people even initially think there is something wrong with their database, because they can't find a movie title in the place they expect it to be.

So my sincere suggestion to the development -not only regarding this particular issue, but implementations in general- is to always try and keep things plain and simple. Many end users are not skilled at dealing with software and they prefer things to be as intuitive as possible for them. Seeing as this database is used by countless HTPC and home entertainment software systems out there, it wouldn't hurt to keep those demands close to heart.

I see. Personally I get very frustrated when things change drastically without notice (although I didn't check for announcements), and as I gather from the forum community there are other people who share with me this annoyance.

Nothing has changed though. This has been the policy since the very first day I released collections as a feature.

Maybe it's the name that is throwing everybody as "collection" does indicate the idea of a group but this feature not about a broad grouping of movies and it never has been. It's about sequels.

Well that's a good point. Because in my experience, they are indeed grouping of movies alike. And I didn't mind at all if they were or were not sequels, re-makes etc. To me it just made sense that movies based on same character, story, etc, would be grouped. Purely for convenience of browsing and viewing. And in the end when you sit down to watch a movie, convenience and ease of use is something we all need.

Just adding my two cents... In case there is to be a poll of voting. ;)

@Travis I beg to differ when you say "nothing" has changed.

This mod seems to have turned tmdb into his personal castle where he roams free, doing wahetver the F he wishes. Just look at the thread you directed us to, and then refer back to bdd's comment about "The Average Joe"

I've dealt with you and reported numerous tmdb problems to you in the past, which you've fixed, so I know you are open to other feedback unlike endtheme, but seriously, look at this post he made

[QUOTE] Applying this to the A Nightmare on Elm Street film series remake:

A Nightmare on Elm Street (???? series)
A Nightmare on Elm Street (Samuel Bayer series)
A Nightmare on Elm Street (Jackie Earle Haley series)
A Nightmare on Elm Street (2010 series)
A Nightmare on Elm Street (Platinum Dunes series?)

[/quote]

Do you honestly think the "average joe" will be able to distinguish between the SAMUEL BAYER or the JACKIE EARLE or the ???? or the PLATINUM DUNE series? No, it's all friggin german to someone who isn't intimately familiar with the works being referenced.

It's a massive step backwards for TMDB and a huge step forward for endtheme's ego. I really am not sure what his agenda is but he seems to be doing a fine job of messing it up.

Look at the thread agian: http://www.themoviedb.org/talk/505bba71760ee311be00039c

Created in Sept 20. NOT A SINGLE REPLY, BY ANYONE. He had to bump his own thread, a month later, just so it goes back to page 1. No one wanted these collections/trilogies changed (with bad English on top of that.... seriously, who the hell uses lower case in the title? it's called title case for a reason).

I realize you are an admin, I can appreciate your gut feeling to "side with the moderator" despite how wrong he is, but please, revert his decision if you want TMDB to continually add value rather than frustrate people.

@Travis I beg to differ when you say "nothing" has changed.

Don't forget, it was me who released this feature and I know exactly what I had planned for it when I made it ;) This is what I was referring to when I said nothing has changed—specifically my intention for collections.

Before we could lock movies within a collection, and before this new talk area was released (which lets us attach discussions right on to movies) there was a never ending ping-pong match between us moderators and the users of TMDb. Being an open database is going to have these kinds of problems so it's important for us to have the rules fairly clear cut and until recently, I neglected to do this with relation to collections. Now that we're trying to have some organization, some opinions are coming out.

Just so you know, endtheme's post about what should and shouldn't be included in a collection is a carry over from our old forum back in August. We've been working on this for a few months. The link to that thread is here.

I realize you are an admin, I can appreciate your gut feeling to "side with the moderator"

In this particular case, I am not siding side with a moderator but siding with how I know that I intended collections to be used.

With all of that said though, it seems like you're more concerned about collection naming than whether or not The Animatrix is part of the Matrix Collection. Which is something I think I'll admit we're still working through.

So, with regards to "average joe" and the names of collections? I'll agree this is still worth discussing and figuring out. No problem. With regards to "average joe" and him understanding that The Animatrix isn't part of the Matrix Collection? Well, it's not a sequel to any of the original 3 films, so it's not part of this collection. This distinction is pretty clear cut in my eyes. As I said in this post is that this is simply not how collections were built to be used. I think lists are a viable alternative to fill the need users seem to expect here, and that's something I can build but until I do, I still want the database to know which 3 movies are part of the official Matrix series.

Negativefusion,

You have repeatedly tried to personally insult and taunt me. I think you've even likened me to a Nazi a few days ago. Now it is about my ego too. What's next? Am I a fury?

I think I understand the reason for all the dull insults and projection. Like me you have a substantial amount of edits, so perhaps you have a level of passion for and investment in this site; and perhaps you also feel really, really strongly about a course of action on this site that you vehemently disagree with. Unfortunately the fact that you might feel really, really strongly about it doesn't make it the correct course of action. I am open to changing my mind and putting in a vote for your view should compelling reasons be provided, I just haven't seen any from you yet. Maybe someone else will come along who can elucidate those reasons better than you have.

Look at the thread agian: http://www.themoviedb.org/talk/505bba71760ee311be00039c Created in Sept 20. NOT A SINGLE REPLY, BY ANYONE.

To add to Travis' comment, that is a thread Travis requested I copy-and-paste from an older post I made so he could eventually pin it. If you put the butthurt on pause for a while, you will notice the majority of those collection guidelines are based on quotations by Travis and another moderator. The only unique input I have provided on that thread are opinions regarding reboots, remakes, problematic collections that involve crossover stories, and now naming conventions. Considering the original thread goes back several months and has the intention of being pinned I would say that it is at least a tentative administrative endorsement of the guidelines you've pissed on and attributed solely to my doing.

He had to bump his own thread, a month later, just so it goes back to page 1.

A mind reader you are not. You keep trying to incorrectly assume to know my intentions. There is an issue with that thread that disallows me from editing my OP. Hence why I added the reply rather than modify the post.

he roams free, doing wahetver the F he wishes.

I understand if you're frustrated and desperately want to try to denigrate me, but this makes no sense in light of the previous accusation. Why am I bothering to bump a thread that links to a discussion where I'm asking for community feedback on what should be done with collection titles? I should just be doing as I please, not appealing to what other's think should be done.

(with bad English on top of that.... seriously, who the hell uses lower case in the title? it's called title case for a reason).

There is no one definitive title case convention that all style guides agree upon. This has been explained more than once (with citations) by two of us on the thread you participated on. Like I said before, I really don't have a problem with using the title case you prefer, but TBH... the way you put your fingers in your ears and repeat falsehoods as well as your crappy disrespectful attitude to me sort of makes me not want to care about taking my time to do anything you prefer unless it's a legitimate content issue.

No one wanted these collections/trilogies changed

"No one" meaning if they do not agree with your baseless opinions riddled with logical fallacies then me and Pcambraria qualify as "no one"? Feedback from the rest of the community was requested back in July, and people either didn't care or didn't know there was a community discussing these things. You were politely invited to participate despite your disrespectful attitude, and you failed to offer any compelling reasons in my opinion, and at least one others.

I realize you are an admin, I can appreciate your gut feeling to "side with the moderator" despite how wrong he is

There you go again assuming to know what someone thinks or feels, and despite how you've never established how wrong I am. Asserted ad nauseam yes, established no.

Do you honestly think the "average joe" will be able to distinguish between the SAMUEL BAYER or the JACKIE EARLE or the ???? or the PLATINUM DUNE series? No

And again assuming what others will think, and it conveniently always coincides with your own preconceived conclusions. More importantly, in that naming convention thread I am asking community members for other/better ideas about particular collection title conventions. My examples are only from a sequential list I can think of it. The entire point of that post is an acknowledgement that those collection titles are on the weak side and to spark discussion. Do you get it yet?

So tell me negativefusion, if you are capable without throwing more of the same insults or appealing to some unverifiable authorities: according to the guidelines that Travis hashed out way before I contributed to the forum, the planned/rumored A Nightmare on Elm Street remake sequel would establish cause for its own collection. What would you name this new collection considering there already exists a collection titled A Nightmare on Elm Street Collection? In the title how would you differentiate it from the original series? In the title how would you differentiate the original film series collection from the recent film series? What naming algorithm should be used (if any) for similar collections that have this problem?

Before negativefusion (replies because I know he will) can I ask all of us to stay on topic? I'm well aware of the ongoing feud between you two and I appreciate the passion but the constant back and forth isn't really doing us any good. This particular thread is about The Animatrix and I believe I've covered the basics.

If we would like to discuss naming scenarios, there is a good thread that we can do this here:

http://www.themoviedb.org/talk/50652d8919c29547aa000d00

And I would ask all of us to try and stay on topic, courteous and polite. A lot of what we're talking about is new to TMDb and as such is going to have differing opinions but even with different opinions I'm sure we can have a civil discussion about it, right?

A lot of what we're talking about is new to TMDb and as such is going to have differing opinions but even with different opinions I'm sure we can have a civil discussion about it, right?

Definitely agreed, and I have asked nicely before. I am looking forward to more input on that topic.

@Travis

I can appreciate you had a set goal in mind when you thought up your intentions of what a Collection should or should not have, although as a user-driven community, I am sure you can apprecipitate if your creation evolved beyond what you initially perceived the scope to be.

As far as your other note about staying on topic, sure, you don't have to worry about me arguing with endtheme.... he's like the equivalent of a street dog barking at you as you walk, I'm not even reading his egotistical long-winded nonsensical posts. It's quite clear from the way he spoke in the other thread that he's on some power-trip wanting it go be his way or the highway, and I fully expect it to be only a matter of time before others voice their distaste as well. I mean he even made some comment about not liking my tone so refused to fix the problem I identified and locked my thread... lol.

People like that don't deserve 2 minutes of my time.

But Travis, I see you are linking us back to the other thread, as I indicated above... no one wnats to participate there as the discussion is not objective or neutral. He's already laid out a stance and direction in which he wants to proceed, if you disagree, he pretty much climbs his high horse and says "well im the mod, thats how it is", under the illusion of "discussion". Quite frankly, am not even sure why that threads there if a decision has already been made by him to butcher all the general naming conventions to some asinine name he thought up...

again:

The Dark Knight Trilogy. period. That's it. That's what it is. not The Dark Knight Collection not Batman - The Dark Knight Collection Not Batman - The Dark Knight Series and certainly not Batman - The Dark Knight series with a lower case S.

if you want actual discussion to be held on the naming convention, I propose you get another more objective mod, with a less bit of a god-complex, leading the discussion. Start by proposing different options that can be used, not by saying "well, this is the way it's going to be, what do you think?" which is the tone that thread has taken. There's no point in sharing what we think if thats the way it's already going to be because mr endtheme says so.

Anyways..... this took 5 min to write lol, GL with whatever you decide.