Discuss Fahrenheit 11/9

So I'll start out by saying that it's too bad many potential viewers who might consider themselves conservatives probably missed out on this film simply because it was directed by Michael Moore and they refused to see it.

The first ten minutes or so contain vivid footage of Hillary Clinton supporters in tears and utter disbelief as Donald Trump is declared President on Election Night 2016, and ditto for news anchors across the political spectrum who are shown in shock as the Electoral College votes become apparent.

Also, I've seen almost all of Moore's (obviously biased, just like Dinesh D'Souza on the other side) documentaries, and in this one compared to his previous efforts, though he provides the narration, his actual face-time is significantly reduced.

And then, after the opening montage of weeping liberals, Moore asks: "How the fuck did this happen?"

Conservatives might want to give this film a chance.

Moore goes on to attack the Democrats much more than he does the Republicans, and he lays much of the blame on the Democrats' failure to pay attention to constituents in the Midwest.

He does get some things wrong: he states that America is "Leftist", when it would probably be more accurate to describe America as Center-Right (just ask a European; politically, there is no significant true "Left" in the U.S., outliers like AOC and Bernie Sanders notwithstanding [both are featured in this film]. He also cites one poll stating 71% of Americans are Pro-Choice on the abortion issue, when most show America much more evenly divided on this issue, and another poll stating that 78% of Americans don't own a gun, when a simple Google search will show closer to 30% own a firearm (not 22%), and probably closer to 40 to 50% strongly support the Second Amendment on principle, even if they themselves don't own a gun (although most Americans DO support the idea of universal background checks).

I originally saw this film shortly after it came out on DVD in early 2019, and I thought a rewatch leading up to the 2020 elections was in order. Folks-- especially Democrats --should give this film another view; they could learn something (take no voters for granted!) And Republicans might want to watch it, too-- they might find it surprisingly entertaining.

Some statistics not in the movie, but that are well-documented (Google and see for yourself):

In the 2016 elections, though it is well-known that a solid majority of white men voted for Trump, so did more than half of white women. And around 30% of Hispanics voted for Trump.

As someone who considers himself an Independent and DID NOT vote for Trump in 2016, I think this film is a wake-up call for liberals and Democrats. Calling someone a "Deplorable" will get you nowhere. Although you do not have to agree with the Pro-Life movement, or those who support the Second Amendment, etc., it is important to show respect and courtesy to those who do; or else the Midwest , the Plains, and the South will be lost again, and the West Coast, New England, and New York will go again to the Democrats, and Trump will walk into a second term in 2020.

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I haven’t seen the film since it first came out, so my memory could be failing me here, but, when he called America left-wing, wasn’t he referring to the people rather than the establishment?

Yes we don't want to trigger those conservative snowflakes by calling them a mean name. Despite them trashing the opposition for years on end. No siree Bob we don't. All respect due but not returned.

Nilbog--

He may have been, but if so I didn't notice the distinction. I'm of the school of thought that our elected government-- comprising officials from BOTH major political parties --are more or less a reflection of the American people; so, one could argue that:

The U.S. has the "Ultra"-Right Republicans, and the more "Center"-Right Democrats, at least if we were to try to classify them according to the European political spectrum.

znexyish--

See, my point is, by calling someone "Deplorable", one is implying that such a person is "Irredeemable"; and if so, what home does such a person have? Why would such a person come over to the Democratic side if they've been declared as cast out, not worthy of dialogue? Such an attitude feeds into "cancel culture", and implies no chance of forgiveness. Thus, even if the Electoral College was eliminated (which Michael Moore supports), you'd still have a situation-- according to the numbers in Moore's own film-- where 66 million people voted for Hillary Clinton, and 63 million voted for Donald Trump. Sure, that's a Democrat victory, but it's hardly a landslide, and it would still be difficult to get anything done politically.

So my point is, the Democrats have got to do better, and they won't get there by ostracizing people. And I totally agree with you in that "conservatives" can be just as much "snowflakes" as liberals; see my response to OddRob's thread about the upcoming 2020 film "The Hunt" if you want proof.:)

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