@D-magic said:

Pixar movies used to deal with much more complex things than female puberty. And the story was not that superficial, there was most definitely no boy bands anywhere even close. Maybe I am too old to understand what young people like, but I know how to think abstract, how to approach critical analysis and how to compare something new to something old. And whatever we liked in the pre-Disney movies is barely there anymore.

Whatever courage these writer thought they have while making a movie about such topic, they are simply among other writers who write an average live action show for the Disney channel, nothing more. They just wrapped it differently into animation. We had our independent Pixar making very sophisticated movies before, even if the themes were all used up, they always found a nice approach, a new perspective, a complex plot. Something beyond the simple story that we see on the screen. There was always a feeling of something deeper there, something impactful.

But Turning Red, as well as many recent movies before, is just dealing with the mundane, superficial, the banal aspects of life, too personal and too sentimental. Although there are some movies that occasionally remind us what Pixar was before, like Inside Out and Coco, I am sure these concepts were initiated before Disney, since some ideas take time to develop and film.

It does feel like they are running out of old ideas, not much left in the old ideas drawer. So they just go for the mindless things. Turning Red may not be a failure, but it sure isn't Pixar.

I agree, who would have imagined that Pixar would become a straight-to-streaming quality animation house. It seems that the Disney purchase may have driven all the creative genius out of the company for them to become a bang average animation conveyor belt. Every Pixar movie seems to be worse than the last.

@BaronOfHair said:

Pixar movies used to deal with much more complex things than female puberty.

Had any Pixar movie prior to this one even come close to admitting that women have bodily functions, D?

Who cares? Maybe they think they can be educational tool for the young viewers, but it's all very childish. Just because something is shown for few seconds or some character mentions it, doesn't mean it's any good. It's just as stupid as adding diversity in the movie just for the sake of being diverse - they can add characters from various races, colors, mental diseases or whatever, it doesn't make the story any good if it's written by stupid people. Make a good story first, make the characters complex, make the plot interesting to watch, say something meaningful. If there is also diversity - even better. But just to make a movie for the diversity only, that's just lazy.

@D-magic said:

@BaronOfHair said:

Pixar movies used to deal with much more complex things than female puberty.

Had any Pixar movie prior to this one even come close to admitting that women have bodily functions, D?

Who cares? Maybe they think they can be educational tool for the young viewers, but it's all very childish. Just because something is shown for few seconds or some character mentions it, doesn't mean it's any good. It's just as stupid as adding diversity in the movie just for the sake of being diverse - they can add characters from various races, colors, mental diseases or whatever, it doesn't make the story any good if it's written by stupid people. Make a good story first, make the characters complex, make the plot interesting to watch, say something meaningful. If there is also diversity - even better. But just to make a movie for the diversity only, that's just lazy.

Pixar died a long time ago ....

Monsters Inc... Wall E .... Toy Story 1 2 & 3 only ..... Finding Nemo .... & Coco to an extent are good Pixars. Everything else is unnecessary ... If Luca is a Pixar too .... then it really sucks...

@tmdb22192816 said:

@D-magic said:

@BaronOfHair said:

Pixar movies used to deal with much more complex things than female puberty.

Had any Pixar movie prior to this one even come close to admitting that women have bodily functions, D?

Who cares? Maybe they think they can be educational tool for the young viewers, but it's all very childish. Just because something is shown for few seconds or some character mentions it, doesn't mean it's any good. It's just as stupid as adding diversity in the movie just for the sake of being diverse - they can add characters from various races, colors, mental diseases or whatever, it doesn't make the story any good if it's written by stupid people. Make a good story first, make the characters complex, make the plot interesting to watch, say something meaningful. If there is also diversity - even better. But just to make a movie for the diversity only, that's just lazy.

Pixar died a long time ago ....

Monsters Inc... Wall E .... Toy Story 1 2 & 3 only ..... Finding Nemo .... & Coco to an extent are good Pixars. Everything else is unnecessary ... If Luca is a Pixar too .... then it really sucks...

Luca was by Pixar, continuing Pixars descent into mediocrity.