In addition to what you have said, I would like to add that although these kinds of stories are largely fictional stories they should still have a minimum of credibility. An underwater city where kids play football in the street is absolutely nonsensical and unacceptable from a physics point of view. Only two guys were missing fighting with water guns and the picture was complete. Even the little princess who will weigh 20 kilos dressed is not very credible in the role of the dreaded Black Panther. The only character with a minimum of charisma they also made him die. And this is just to give an example. No I'm sorry to say but this is hands down the worst movie in the Marvel universe.

@bebbo.60 said:

No I'm sorry to say but this is hands down the worst movie in the Marvel universe.

If you saw Eternals or Thor: Love and Thunder the best you could say is this is "arguably", the worst in MCU, but saying "hands down" strains your credibility.

If you haven't seen them, you ought to, then circle back and update this.

@DRDMovieMusings said: ... the best you could say is this is "arguably", the worst in MCU, but saying "hands down" strains your credibility.

Well, assuming we're talking among people who have been disappointed by this film,

how much it has disappointed us compared to other Marvel films.. well, this is a personal matter closely related to our way of seeing things which, of course, can be different.

However, this difference of views doesn't make you any less credible in my eyes.

P.S.: Since English is not my language I apologize in advance if I misunderstood the meaning of your answer or if I made mistakes in writing mine.

@bebbo.60 said:

@DRDMovieMusings said: ... the best you could say is this is "arguably", the worst in MCU, but saying "hands down" strains your credibility.

Well, assuming we're talking among people who have been disappointed by this film,

how much it has disappointed us compared to other Marvel films..

There is a metric for this! Check out Cinemascore.

• Eternals, B

• Thor: Love and Thunder, B+

• Black Panther:Wakanda Forever, A

And that B score for Eternals? Well, "Eternals earns worst CinemaScore in Marvel Universe's history."

The article lists the CinemaScores for MCU movies up to the date it was published, you can see how they all did to that point. T:LaT and BP:WF both came out after Eternals and their ratings bounced back upwards from it.

well, this is a personal matter closely related to our way of seeing things which, of course, can be different.

Of course! Regardless what the general ratings are for any movie, anyone can say the liked a movie or didn't. I do it all the time. I've made lists here on TMDb of movies rated low that I like, etc.

Again, these are arguments. Saying "this movie is my least favourite" is fine. But to attempt to rank this movie as objectively the worst requires some external value, some objective measure, and these numbers point to other MCU movies as being "the worst".

However, this difference of views doesn't make you any less credible in my eyes.

P.S.: Since English is not my language I apologize in advance if I misunderstood the meaning of your answer or if I made mistakes in writing mine.

No worries, all good!

@Damienracer said:

@bebbo.60 said:

In addition to what you have said, I would like to add that although these kinds of stories are largely fictional stories they should still have a minimum of credibility. An underwater city where kids play football in the street is absolutely nonsensical and unacceptable from a physics point of view. Only two guys were missing fighting with water guns and the picture was complete. Even the little princess who will weigh 20 kilos dressed is not very credible in the role of the dreaded Black Panther. The only character with a minimum of charisma they also made him die. And this is just to give an example. No I'm sorry to say but this is hands down the worst movie in the Marvel universe.

Black Panther 2 was garbage but not because of kids playing football underwater anyone finding that unacceptable in a world where a scientist can turn into 20ft green monster needs to book a brain scan. Not even joking.

So why do you feel it's garbage? I haven't even seen it yet, but I found the original film to be somewhat mediocre for Marvel fare, so I'm in no hurry to see this one.

The BP portrayed in Captain America: Civil War was more honorable, formidable, and so, far more effective for me as a character than the one depicted in Ryan Coogler's film by Chadwick Boseman (RIP).

"Superheroes" are not heroes; they are super heroes. Their motivations are ideal, noble, higher than us, thus we look up to them.

Superheroes are not motivated by revenge or bloodlust, nor by what feels good. They aspire to what is right, just, even if that means sacrifice. They are not us - they embody the best of us.

@Damienracer said:

@CelluloidFan said:

@Damienracer said:

@bebbo.60 said:

In addition to what you have said, I would like to add that although these kinds of stories are largely fictional stories they should still have a minimum of credibility. An underwater city where kids play football in the street is absolutely nonsensical and unacceptable from a physics point of view. Only two guys were missing fighting with water guns and the picture was complete. Even the little princess who will weigh 20 kilos dressed is not very credible in the role of the dreaded Black Panther. The only character with a minimum of charisma they also made him die. And this is just to give an example. No I'm sorry to say but this is hands down the worst movie in the Marvel universe.

Black Panther 2 was garbage but not because of kids playing football underwater anyone finding that unacceptable in a world where a scientist can turn into 20ft green monster needs to book a brain scan. Not even joking.

So why do you feel it's garbage? I haven't even seen it yet, but I found the original film to be somewhat mediocre for Marvel fare, so I'm in no hurry to see this one.

The BP portrayed in Captain America: Civil War was more honorable, formidable, and so, far more effective for me as a character than the one depicted in Ryan Coogler's film by Chadwick Boseman (RIP).

He let the man who blew up his father live if that's what you call formidable then there's nothing else to say to you.

I didn't call that aspect of the character formidable. I thought that was possibly honorable, like I had posted.

PEACE!!

Quantumania just notched a Cinemascore of B, joining Eternals at the bottom of the MCU pile.

@aholejones said:

The "older" Marvel movies weren't exactly masterpieces, but at least they were easy enough to watch once, but I don't know is it the Disney influence or what, but these new ones are absolutely terrible. Thor Love and Thunder, Eternals, that new Doctor Strange movie and now this one are all garbage. Just a boring movie with poor acting and asinine dialogue and characters you don't really give a crap about. The whole thing becomes rather repetitive as we are introduced to what seems like an endless supply of strong independent women. Unfortunately each one somehow manages to be more uninteresting than the previous one and no amount of predator or Gundam suits or lackluster and crappy fight and action scenes is going to change that.

I hated the earlier Marvel movies and I think current movies are getting better. Really impressed by the new movies such as:

1. Black Widow
2. Thor 4
3. Eternals
4. Doctor Strange 2
5. Wakanda 2

In fact after End Game I put out watching these films for so long thinking they are the same old rut but I am pleasantly surprised that out better the Marvel movies got. Looks like Marvel stopped treating directors like doormats. I am excited about the new direction Marvel is taking.

@DRDMovieMusings said:

Quantumania just notched a Cinemascore of B, joining Eternals at the bottom of the MCU pile.

Let's pretend that it's got nothing to do with "comic book superhero" fatigue.

@lostincinema said:

@DRDMovieMusings said:

Quantumania just notched a Cinemascore of B, joining Eternals at the bottom of the MCU pile.

Let's pretend that it's got nothing to do with "comic book superhero" fatigue.

It likely may have something to do with comic superhero fatigue. But other comic book superhero movies still do well, or at least, better; so, beyond the external fatigue factor, all things being equal, it is still fair to argue that this individual movie is intrinsically just not as good as its peers in the MCU.

@Damienracer said:

Doormats? These so called doormats still get paid millions regardless of fully being included in the process or not. A name on a blockbuster is a pretty good CV too.

Good for them but they are still doormats (as far as those movies are concerned).

As for the death of an actor to finally get you to liking a Marvel movie... You have impeccable timing as always.

Are you alright?

No ones death is involved in me liking any Marvel movie.

@Damienracer said:

@lostincinema said:

@Damienracer said:

Doormats? These so called doormats still get paid millions regardless of fully being included in the process or not. A name on a blockbuster is a pretty good CV too.

Good for them but they are still doormats (as far as those movies are concerned).

As for the death of an actor to finally get you to liking a Marvel movie... You have impeccable timing as always.

Are you alright?

No ones death is involved in me liking any Marvel movie.

Are you alright? You're the one that needs asking that because you think people paid $10 million to have their name all over a blockbuster are doormats... Has someone even checked your temperature? Marvel is funding the project they can have as much or zero input on decisions if they want.

What are you even arguing about? You think you are making a case but you are not.