Dyskusje Booksmart

There seem to be two types. There's the one in which women are represented as natural, well written diverse characters that have depth, which I applaud and encourage. And then there's the patronizing type that can't go 5 minutes without referencing the patriarchy, portrays every male character as evil, everything a male character says is wrong while the film's forced, unsubtle political rhetoric overshadows the narrative. Which I tend to roll my eyes at.

I'm hoping it's the former, but I have my suspicions.

Please, no spoilers.

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IT IS A FILM ABOUT FEMALE CHARACTERS.SHAME ON THOSE HOLLYWOOD DEVILS,CASTING FEMALES IN THE ROLES.

@VHS-VANDAL said:

IT IS A FILM ABOUT FEMALE CHARACTERS.SHAME ON THOSE HOLLYWOOD DEVILS,CASTING FEMALES IN THE ROLES.

I assume you are insinuating that I'm against the casting of women. Yet I made it very clear that I encourage it and I want Booksmart to be good. It's badly integrated politics that I'm against.

It doesn't look like you actually listened to what you were reading, and I am noticing this as somewhat of a trend with you, Vandal.

@acontributor said:

There is an obligatory "The straight white man is at the end of his time" comment, and an unrelated despicably evil straight white male character. But I wouldn't say the movie is the second type.

The boys in the movie are shown acting like idiots but I think that's just part of the (failed) humor of the movie and not necessarily a feminist critique of masculinity.

Mostly this movie tries to pass off mishaps, ridiculous behavior, and excessive use of the F word as humor. I laughed a few times but it definitely wasn't laughing out loud kind of humor.

A lot of people have called it a feminist Superbad. I think that's a fair comparison. I liked this movie more than I liked Superbad though.

Well, I did like Superbad and I did find it funny. So maybe I'll find this funny as well. I think that's just the subjectivity of humour. Thanks for your input.

I READ EVERY WORD....STARTING WITH THE TITLE...."Which type of feminist film is this?"....IMPLYING THAT EVERY FILM STARRING AND OR WRITTEN,DIRECTED BY WOMEN IS A "FEMINIST FILM"..THUS MY RESPONSE..PERHAPS IT IS YOU WHO SHOULD READ AND COMPREHEND ON A HIGHER LEVEL.

@VHS-VANDAL said:

I READ EVERY WORD....STARTING WITH THE TITLE...."Which type of feminist film is this?"....IMPLYING THAT EVERY FILM STARRING AND OR WRITTEN,DIRECTED BY WOMEN IS A "FEMINIST FILM"..THUS MY RESPONSE..PERHAPS IT IS YOU WHO SHOULD READ AND COMPREHEND ON A HIGHER LEVEL.

The film has been heralded by critics and the media as a feminist film. It has been labelled by detractors as a feminist film. In content it may not be a feminist film but in the cultural milieu it has been labelled that way. My question is a response to these people. I am asking them what type of feminist film they are saying it is.

THAT IS A VERY FAIR CRITIQUE...I SUSPECT I WILL FEEL THE SAME WHEN I SEE THE FLICK.

@mechajutaro said:

There is an obligatory "The straight white man is at the end of his time" comment, and an unrelated despicably evil straight white male character.

In a film directed by Olivia Wilde no less, who not only married but bore two children by a guy who couldn't be more straight and pasty(Jason Sudekis), and has never been hesitant about falling out of her clothes on camera/lezzing it out with equally scrumptious actresses. No complaints from me, mind you, nonetheless it's tough to see how antics such as these weren't shameless attempts at milking "the male gaze" for every penny it was worth

It's like feminists themselves can't decide what's "right" and what's "wrong". Is female nudity and sex empowering or degrading? Are they owning it, just doing what they want to do and expressing themselves or bringing the gender down? And they are like this with many different issues.

How are people supposed to adhere to the values they express if they can't clearly decide amongst themselves what those values are?

@acontributor said:

To answer the first question, it really depends how comfortable people are with what they're doing.

I agree totally. If someone isn't forced and they are comfortable and happy to do it then it should be fine. The problem is feminists will tell people what they should be comfortable doing. Giving women equal rights should be providing them with choice. Not taking it away.

People have always been divided on different issues. That's why there are countless denominations of Christianity and laws vary widely from state to state within a single country. Being split into different groups is part of the human experience and is not limited to feminism.

That's an interesting point. But in this day and age feminism is a much stronger religion than Christianity. Which tends to be ignored by many.

And despite feminism's values and rules being varied and fractured, the entire western world is suddenly expected to snap to them when they have until quite recently been following quite different rules and traditions. I believe this is part of the reason everyone is at each others throats all the time. Because we're all confused and splintered.

And I know it sounds like I'm just Feminism bashing, so to clarify, I agree with some feminist issues and disagree with others. Because things aren't simple, they are complex.

And my main problem with feminists is that they tend to give objective answers to subjective questions.

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