Dammn If you wouldn't have said it's a disguised propaganda I would have already joined the military and went to some war and died. Thank you man, you saved my life. Jokes aside I really don't know which part is the military recruitment propaganda part. The whole movie is like: Don't join the military you will be miserable and die pointlessly... Join the army anyways... Be miserable and die pointlessly. Yes... let's join it!!!

@Timofiev said:

Dammn If you wouldn't have said it's a disguised propaganda I would have already joined the military and went to some war and died. Thank you man, you saved my life. Jokes aside I really don't know which part is the military recruitment propaganda part. The whole movie is like: Don't join the military you will be miserable and die pointlessly... Join the army anyways... Be miserable and die pointlessly. Yes... let's join it!!!

It's even worse than that - it's also "You're not safe anywhere, even from your own side"

What?! How did you get that? If anything the message was the military sucks and is where people go to die. Independent private covert strike teams are the way to go if you want anything real done. 😯

@D-magic said:

What a disaster. .. be prepared to smell a huge piece of turd.

I wouldn't go quite that far. I mean, it's not a good movie, but it wasn't the worst thing ever, it was mostly just boring. The problem is it doesn't feel like a Kingsman movie until around the final act, and by that point it's just way too late to care. And the villain was so obviously Ozymandias. I figured that out even before he disappeared. His shaved head made him look like Dr. Robotnic with cancer.

when you don't like cinema, you don't watch movies

@D-magic said:

...I am inclined to think it's some sort of disguised propaganda for military recruitment or a way to prepare the public for some sort of incoming real life war...

Wow, this thread aged really poorly / well depending upon how you want to look on it.

Anyway I've just signed up to join the foreign legion in Ukraine so I won't be posting anymore... Cheers 👍

@Midi-chlorian_Count said:

@D-magic said:

...I am inclined to think it's some sort of disguised propaganda for military recruitment or a way to prepare the public for some sort of incoming real life war...

Wow, this thread aged really poorly / well depending upon how you want to look on it.

Anyway I've just signed up to join the foreign legion in Ukraine so I won't be posting anymore... Cheers 👍

So Count, How did the 'legionnairing' go?

All good - Just got out thanks to the recent prisoner exchange 👍

Glad to hear it. Did you dispatch any bad guys? 🧟‍♂️ 🔫

Oh, a lot of replies I missed. I guess I had a point?

And yes, some people may assume that the movie shows military as something negative, but I assure you that you need to look deeper and analyze it from total ideological perspective. Don't remember main details, but his son goes to the army anyway. There is a clear intention here to show decent and brave people answering the call despite depicting the military as a flawed system. The small details may have some critique, but the very basis underlying of the story is that "there is no choice but to enlist and fight for what is right". As it works with cleverly disguised propaganda, the messages are not straightforward, but subtle and reinforce the ruling ideology. The military here is not being deconstructed, laughed at, ridiculed or dismissed, like Monty Python's sketches done long time ago. Now that was a true deconstruction of the general idea of a military. The army still appears as an undeniable idea, as something that exists and affects all lives. And eventually the main character steps up and returns back to handle it in his own way.

@D-magic said:

Oh, a lot of replies I missed. I guess I had a point?

And yes, some people may assume that the movie shows military as something negative, but I assure you that you need to look deeper and analyze it from total ideological perspective. Don't remember main details, but his son goes to the army anyway. There is a clear intention here to show decent and brave people answering the call despite depicting the military as a flawed system. The small details may have some critique, but the very basis underlying of the story is that "there is no choice but to enlist and fight for what is right". As it works with cleverly disguised propaganda, the messages are not straightforward, but subtle and reinforce the ruling ideology. The military here is not being deconstructed, laughed at, ridiculed or dismissed, like Monty Python's sketches done long time ago. Now that was a true deconstruction of the general idea of a military. The army still appears as an undeniable idea, as something that exists and affects all lives. And eventually the main character steps up and returns back to handle it in his own way.

I see your point and at some point I would think it's right, but as I said the whole movie is like don't join the army, it's pointless. The son could have helped in a very useful way working together with his father, but even after seeing that being an undercover agent is very useful he wanted to be a simple soldier fighting in the frontline despite his father forbidding it. And his "usefullness" as a soldier ended with a complete accident getting a message to the allies while they kill him accidentally. So the point of the movie is more like: Let's be a spy, being a soldier in the frontline is just a waste but being a superspy is very cool. The whole movie contradicts your view it's a propaganda for the army. It says don't be a soldier, be a spy. Well that's just my opinion.

In case you are interested to understand my source of interpretation, read a book "Ideology and Ideological State Apparatuses" by Louis Althusser.