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posted by greatgoatSTAFFMOD on October 9, 2019 at 9:16 AM
The only witness to Arthur’s murders on the train was able to perfectly describe his clown makeup. We know this because the clown masks are perfect representations of his makeup. YET she claims it was a mask and not paint??? How can she recall the makeup perfectly while still remembering it being a mask?
Then. The police have a perfect description of his makeup. Know about his gun. And are in contact with Arthur’s coworkers but still don’t arrest him?!
There were plethora issues in this film. Who laminates cards that you give out to strangers?! Why don’t they give it back?
The delusion of the fake relationship with his neighbour was heavy handed and obvious. No one believed it.
And what happened to storytelling? This was lazy writing. Why did we learn about his laughing affliction by having to read a paragraph on a card instead of through storytelling or a flashback scene.
This movie was heavy handed and lazy all at the same time.
The only way to dismiss all of these issues is to believe the entire film took place in his mind in the asylum correct?
So either it’s a bad movie. Or the storytelling of a flawed mind. Take your pick!
Reply by Condottiero
on October 9, 2019 at 9:09 PM
It's for the benefit of the people he interacts with and I really hate overuse of flashbacks...
Pathological crying/laughter is a real condition triggered by things like stress, so if someone you were talking to displayed this condition, wouldn't you be irritated with him/her? A card listing the condition would prevent an altercation, especially with the laughter.
The delusional relationship wasn't obvious and not heavy handed until later and I had the benefit of spoiler filled reviews.
Despite some flaws, like the train scene and no explanation as to how a crazy woman was allowed to adopt, I didn't find the movie heavy handed and lazy.
Reply by OddRob
on October 9, 2019 at 11:23 PM
Eyewitness statements are highly unreliable in real life so I dont see how this is an issue in the film. The police obviously knew he probably was the guy but didnt have enough to arrest him yet. Thats why they wanted to interview him so he could slip up and give them cause for an arrest. It was also hearsay about the gun since no one actually saw him get it from his co worker, just Arthur telling them it was given to him by his co worker. And of course that guy wouldnt tell the cops he gave it to him.
I do agree the relationship with his neighbor was obvious, really easy to tell when he kisses her in her doorway. I thought he killed her in the start of the film and she was just in his head. But dont really know if he killed her or not. Didnt see any blood on him as he walked out of her apartment. And who keeps the door unlocked in a scumbag apartment building anyway?!
I enjoyed the film. I think the writing was pretty clever, and the whole story can be interpreted in many different ways. Whats in his head? Whats real? Was he actually adopted? Was TW his actual father?