Another no sense scene.

@Oskiros said:

Another no sense scene.

Well, that could be said practically about the entire film. But the scene was used to hint at that Rusty was a tough guy. A real life tough guy and not a Hollywood TV tough guy. I think Tarantino was trying to express that the unsung heroes of Hollywood are the stuntmen. The people that get paid shit to do some of the most dangerous work so that the illusion that the movie star we see on the screen is superhuman.

I think the scene worked and was necessary to help get across to the audience who Rusty is in the film.

And, has anyone ever been truly satisfied with how their deceased family members were portrayed in a movie?

@MongoLloyd said:

I think the scene worked and was necessary to help get across to the audience who Rusty is in the film.

Yep, I agree.

And, has anyone ever been truly satisfied with how their deceased family members were portrayed in a movie?

Ha ha, of course not. It's even harder when you have been told your whole life what a wonderful person your father was and then being portrayed as anything less than godlike hurt your feelings. I mean, I kinda sorta feel where she's (Lee's daughter) is coming from but at the same time people need to take into consideration that we are all human and have flaws. A Hollywood actor being an arrogant prick is about as uncommon as the common cold.

So he is a caricature in a Tarantino film. That's not surprising. The studio wouIdnt have done anything they couldn't legally do. If he was portrayed as a wise man from the east would that be better? Did she not get any or enough control or money from this? Years ago BL was digitally inserted in a Johnny Walker Scotch commercial for the Chinese market, even though he didn't drink himself. If you become a famous icon when you are alive you become an intellectual property cash cow after you die.

Same thing happened with the Green Book movie when some family of the Don Shirley character popped up to say how inacurate it was even though it was based on the memories of the Tony Lipp character as told by him to his son.

The daughter resurrected a rejected tv project of his called Warrior the one that supposedly became "Kung Fu" and no one seems to give a crap about either.

People just got to bitch about stuff. Who was even talking about Bruce Lee before this?

Bruce Lee legacy leaves family divided I

@znexyish said:

People just got to bitch about stuff. Who was even talking about Bruce Lee before this?

Bruce Lee legacy leaves family divided I

Well, I can tell you that people in the martial arts circles never stop talking about Bruce Lee especially with the fairly recent rise in popularity of the MMA. But your point is well taken. Of course he is not as popular as Brad Pitt himself nowadays but you yourself explained why she is bitching about it: money. She feels the more people who get turned off by Bruce Lee (Oh THAT guy, he was just an arrogant asshole. Pass on buying the t-shirt, TV special, etc.) , the less she gets pizaid.

Yeah, that's a good point. Lee will never stop making money for his family so his reputation is worth defending for them. They had to b!tch about his portrayal so the Lee fanboys could continue idolizing him in relative comfort. I can just imagine the exchanges going on in martial arts forums right about now. Oh, it's interesting to note that his popular book, The Tao Of Jeet Kune Do, was cobbled together from his notes. He didn't actually write it.

@MongoLloyd said:

Yeah, that's a good point. Lee will never stop making money for his family so his reputation is worth defending for them. They had to b!tch about his portrayal so the Lee fanboys could continue idolizing him in relative comfort. I can just imagine the exchanges going on in martial arts forums right about now. Oh, it's interesting to note that his popular book, The Tao Of Jeet Kune Do, was cobbled together from his notes. He didn't actually write it.

I've actually read that book and I was totally under the impression that he wrote it. But the talk nowadays among MMA circles is that Wing chun, which is the original style Lee practiced and eventually morphed into Jeet Kune Do which takes from several styles, is impractical in combat. There are several videos of Wing Chun masters getting the shit kick out of them so the hypothetical of If Bruce Lee was alive and in his prime today, how well would he do in the MMA? Most likely, not very well. So they have to keep up the Hollywood illusion that he was a superhuman badass when the reality is he weighed a buck twenty and any average-sized man could toss him like a sack of potatoes much like Rusty did in the film. Again, I would like to reiterate the fact that I grew up idolizing the man and I still have desktop backgrounds, posters, etc. of him. But reality is reality and Hollywood is make-believe.

I have his book and even another much larger Jeet Kune Do book written by Dan Inosanto I believe, that's far more comprehensive. And yeah, I was a huge Lee fan back in the day and always thought the idea of combining the best aspects of different styles was the way to go, although I came to realize in real one-on-one fighting, it always devolves into boxing and wrestling, haha. I saw a Tough Man event years ago before they banned them in my state that was a mix of martial arts guys, bar room brawlers, and boxers. The martial arts practitioners did the poorest while the boxers, even less experienced boxers, did best.

Lee was an amazing athlete, no question, but people don't realize how much showmanship is involved with martial arts. Even just simple practice in a dojo, where more often than not your partner is enabling your technique, or demos in tournaments which pit a competitor against an opponent that they practiced with a thousand times. It's really impressive when you can throw someone around like it's easy when they're essentially acting.

@movie_nazi said:

@Oskiros said:

Another no sense scene.

Well, that could be said practically about the entire film. But the scene was used to hint at that Rusty was a tough guy. A real life tough guy and not a Hollywood TV tough guy. I think Tarantino was trying to express that the unsung heroes of Hollywood are the stuntmen. The people that get paid shit to do some of the most dangerous work so that the illusion that the movie star we see on the screen is superhuman.

Rusty? Movie Nazi, you mean Cliff. Cliff Booth.

I honestly was amused by the Bruce Lee scene. As for the film, I thought that QT ascribed a lot of meaning to the real-life killing of Sharon Tate, whom he portrays as a real-life ingenue (whether she was like that or not). The film is sad to me because of the linking of the end of a Hollywood era with a certain event. It's kind of a bittersweet affair, this film.

@MongoLloyd said:

I have his book and even another much larger Jeet Kune Do book written by Dan Inosanto I believe, that's far more comprehensive. And yeah, I was a huge Lee fan back in the day and always thought the idea of combining the best aspects of different styles was the way to go, although I came to realize in real one-on-one fighting, it always devolves into boxing and wrestling, haha. I saw a Tough Man event years ago before they banned them in my state that was a mix of martial arts guys, bar room brawlers, and boxers. The martial arts practitioners did the poorest while the boxers, even less experienced boxers, did best.

The original UFC tournaments were exactly like you described with a mix of barroom brawlers, wrestlers, boxers, strikers, etc. Until The Gracies introduced BJJ into the mix and the rest is well history. If you did not have a good ground game/submission techniques in your toolbox, you were history which weeded out most brawlers and boxers.

Lee was an amazing athlete, no question, but people don't realize how much showmanship is involved with martial arts. Even just simple practice in a dojo, where more often than not your partner is enabling your technique, or demos in tournaments which pit a competitor against an opponent that they practiced with a thousand times. It's really impressive when you can throw someone around like it's easy when they're essentially acting.

No doubt Lee was an exceptional athlete and without question an A+ showman. I also saw videos of masters who were used to students performing the "dance" of facing each other off that when faced against a real opponent were completely mauled. They had begun to believe their own BS because students would fall when they were supposed to.

@Satch_the_man said:

I honestly was amused by the Bruce Lee scene. As for the film, I thought that QT ascribed a lot of meaning to the real-life killing of Sharon Tate, whom he portrays as a real-life ingenue (whether she was like that or not). The film is sad to me because of the linking of the end of a Hollywood era with a certain event. It's kind of a bittersweet affair, this film.

I don't doubt that Tate was an ingenue who had a pretty face who lucked out on a few roles and happen to marry the hottest director of the era. She definitely was not known for her thespian skills. I didn't really piece together that he was trying to indicate the end of an era was coincidentally marked with the Manson murders but I won't deny it.

@Satch_the_man said:

@movie_nazi said:

@Oskiros said:

Another no sense scene.

Well, that could be said practically about the entire film. But the scene was used to hint at that Rusty was a tough guy. A real life tough guy and not a Hollywood TV tough guy. I think Tarantino was trying to express that the unsung heroes of Hollywood are the stuntmen. The people that get paid shit to do some of the most dangerous work so that the illusion that the movie star we see on the screen is superhuman.

Rusty? Movie Nazi, you mean Cliff. Cliff Booth.

Correct. I have no idea where I got Rusty from LOL.

Pitt played a Rusty in a different film... now, I can't recall which one, but yeah.