Please explain why you used just that example, when there are other possible variations (the home video ones should not be used though). The 1989 screening matches the previous value used so you need to find a source showing the original runtime was 139 and not 138 minutes. Or perhaps argue why the later release should be used. Was the 1989 version missing content, and the later one is indeed the original one? Did they add something to the later version (if so, that would make it a different cut, not yet supported).
From the Contribution BIble:
Only the original runtime since we don't support multiples versions for the moment.
I assume this would mean the runtime used for the first theatrical release in an English country, but maybe we need to make that section a bit clearer.
Please explain why you used just that example, when there are other possible variations (the home video ones should not be used though). The 1989 screening matches the previous value used so you need to find a source showing the original runtime was 139 and not 138 minutes.
I'm confused: This page shows a first release in 1963 (14/08/1963 - Gala Film Dists Ltd) -> 138m 4s. That's the first release, in my opinion.
My mistake. I should never again forget to click on more details...
The US release was in June that year, which would make it the first theatrical (edit: First English language country theatrical, if that's how the rule is to be interpreted), but maybe safe to assume the runtime was the same?
I used it because it was the earliest and therefore the original theatrical release runtime. Please make that section a bit clearer, and maybe consider rounding the runtimes to the closest minute 0-29s down 30-59s up.
I used it because it was the earliest and therefore the original theatrical release runtime.
Yes, I made a mistake. At that time would it be safe to assume that the US theatrical would use the same print as the one in UK?
and maybe consider rounding the runtimes to the closest minute 0-29s down 30-59s up.
No, that would be even more confusing. Once you get used to our way here you would see that it makes much more sense. It's the same in soccer (football). If you get a penalty after 70 seconds, that is in minute 2, not minute 1.
All I know is that this runtime is the most accurate I can find, because MPAA don't give any runtimes and other databases round the runtimes up or down. This always round up rule is very easy, but sadly many of the runtimes here are just copy pasted from IMDb.
but sadly many of the runtimes here are just copy pasted from IMDb.
I agree that it's lazy for older movies. However, when it comes to new movies I see it differently. For some third party sites (like Letterboxd), getting a runtime makes a difference. In the early days of a movie, the only available runtime may be the one listed on IMDb. This is usually before the movie is even released. I think it's fine to add such a runtime. Then it can be corrected when more accurate data appears. I usually add runtimes based on film festival screenings even though that may turn out to be slightly incorrect in the end (should they choose to re-cut the movie for the theatrical release). Anyhow, it's easy enough to fix in such cases.
I have now locked the runtime. Thanks for taking the time to investigate, correct and report!
Resposta de lineker
em 29 setembro 2018 às 8:29 AM
Please explain why you used just that example, when there are other possible variations (the home video ones should not be used though). The 1989 screening matches the previous value used so you need to find a source showing the original runtime was 139 and not 138 minutes. Or perhaps argue why the later release should be used. Was the 1989 version missing content, and the later one is indeed the original one? Did they add something to the later version (if so, that would make it a different cut, not yet supported).
From the Contribution BIble:
I assume this would mean the runtime used for the first theatrical release in an English country, but maybe we need to make that section a bit clearer.
Resposta de janar
em 29 setembro 2018 às 8:39 AM
@lineker wrote:
I'm confused: This page shows a first release in 1963 (14/08/1963 - Gala Film Dists Ltd) -> 138m 4s. That's the first release, in my opinion.
Resposta de lineker
em 29 setembro 2018 às 8:44 AM
My mistake. I should never again forget to click on more details...
The US release was in June that year, which would make it the first theatrical (edit: First English language country theatrical, if that's how the rule is to be interpreted), but maybe safe to assume the runtime was the same?
Resposta de backfish
em 29 setembro 2018 às 8:49 AM
I used it because it was the earliest and therefore the original theatrical release runtime. Please make that section a bit clearer, and maybe consider rounding the runtimes to the closest minute 0-29s down 30-59s up.
Resposta de lineker
em 29 setembro 2018 às 8:53 AM
Yes, I made a mistake. At that time would it be safe to assume that the US theatrical would use the same print as the one in UK?
No, that would be even more confusing. Once you get used to our way here you would see that it makes much more sense. It's the same in soccer (football). If you get a penalty after 70 seconds, that is in minute 2, not minute 1.
Resposta de backfish
em 29 setembro 2018 às 9:08 AM
All I know is that this runtime is the most accurate I can find, because MPAA don't give any runtimes and other databases round the runtimes up or down. This always round up rule is very easy, but sadly many of the runtimes here are just copy pasted from IMDb.
Resposta de lineker
em 29 setembro 2018 às 9:19 AM
I agree that it's lazy for older movies. However, when it comes to new movies I see it differently. For some third party sites (like Letterboxd), getting a runtime makes a difference. In the early days of a movie, the only available runtime may be the one listed on IMDb. This is usually before the movie is even released. I think it's fine to add such a runtime. Then it can be corrected when more accurate data appears. I usually add runtimes based on film festival screenings even though that may turn out to be slightly incorrect in the end (should they choose to re-cut the movie for the theatrical release). Anyhow, it's easy enough to fix in such cases.
I have now locked the runtime. Thanks for taking the time to investigate, correct and report!